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Where did GOT lay the groundwork for Dany turning heel and going insane?

they say it's in their bloodline but her brother is clearly ...
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Dany was a shit ruler who was always brutal and on the edge ...
no waste raw vegan
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examples of her being on the edge of insanity? they'd showed...
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Didn't she burn all the dothraki leaders alive for having th...
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Uhhh, she also crucified some folks. OP doesn't know what...
Guy Debord
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fair enough I guess. I never really watched the show closely...
'''''''"'"
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And she burned prisoners of war alive for refusing to 'bend ...
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No the Dothraki were going to gangrape her and keep her pris...
War Machine
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She burned the widows.
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All of her advisors -- besides Tyrion who she hardly trusts ...
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Didn't she lock that nigger in a vault in Tarth?
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hadn't that guy betrayed her and tried to kill her?
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Still it's fucked up. When cersei torture-executed people, p...
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SomeOtherGhost
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hasn't she been getting drilled by her brother?
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Nephew.
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I haven't watched GoT for several seasons other than occasio...
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She's a woman
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Pilot
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You probably don’t remember when she publicly executed...
'''""''"
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I'm a pretty casual and absent minded watcher of the show, s...
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She was always doing brutal awful things and/or being talked...
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SomeOtherGhost
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I don’t get it. If she was becoming blacker (better, m...
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Or when she burned one of masters in mereen alive who had no...
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In the books she also let a bunch of Mereen civilians get ra...
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its a mix of 1. she's always been a brutal despot, justif...
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okay maybe idk
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Just imagine. If Jon had dicked her down rill good the night...
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SomeOtherGhost
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Literally came here to poast this, including "dicked he...
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OH MY GAWD THAT’S DANY TARGARYEN’S MUSIC
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lol
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*comes out to a slower hip hop remix of her babyface theme
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season 2 - house of undying. dany has a vision of walking th...
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House of the undying scene for those who don't remember http...
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1. She was cold as ice when her brother was murdered 2. ...
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people keep pointing to things like killing the tarleys or i...
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cr. and even if the tarly execution is considered evil, it&r...
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yeah but remember when she destroyed an entire city of compl...
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The problem is the show and showrunners. The books work ver...
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ty this is helpful. I've also seen it said elsewhere tha...
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ever seen the GoT audition reel? she was the worst by far. ...
Dr. Cool
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ty will watch later
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Imagine being the producer or casting director whose balls s...
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Dr. Cool
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I'll defend the actress. She is fine, it is obvious that sh...
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The writing is terrible. The actress is also terrible. Worst...
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Part of it is that Emilia Clarke isn't a good actress. A bet...
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you know why she's a great actress? because she's hot as fu...
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what?
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3 Guns
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Have literally never seen that. Are you reading nig twitter?
Gloostick
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never seen people not saying she's the hottest actress on go...
sealclubber
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Missandei? Literally never
Gloostick
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missandei is the second hottest after melisandre excluding ...
Thud Butt
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this is not coherent
Dr. Cool
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1) she is a shitty actress 2) mixed girl is better lookin...
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mixed girl, cersei, red woman, that redhead wildling are all...
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what
Dupa
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She's a woman, she is going crazy because people do not like...
Jim Damiano
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The heel turn was her quest for power being completely nulli...
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cr, it's like when hillary lost to trump and started throwin...
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#DemThrones https://twitter.com/kturcioss/status/11277627...
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i was laughing through a lot of the episode. the part where...
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Yes that part was 180 Sandor also ignoring cirscie and le...
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I LOL'd when Jamie said "Cersei always said I was the s...
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tbf he was pushed by someone with ultrahuman strength, and a...
Thud Butt
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wtf? she seemed to start turning evil about when she married...
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I thought that was actually one of the best episodes of the ...
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Also, this episode just shows how dumb Hollywood is where th...
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They've been building up to the scorpions all series. They e...
War Machine
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good catch
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episode sucked last night, but there's a long history of Dan...
Thud Butt
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>melisandre gets captured and beheaded >jon snow is d...
libcrusher180
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missandei melisandre is the other one with nice tits
Thud Butt
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her catchphrase means "burn it all down"
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SomeOtherGhost
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I don't know. I liked last night's episode far better than ...
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Wasn't even necessarily crazy. 1) She warned the city 2)...
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Cr it seemed planned to me. The "craziest" thi...
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They surrendered pretty quickly and easily
SomeOtherGhost
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From another bort: The timing of Daenerys' choice to anni...
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That’s the best reading, but not sure it’s quite...
SomeOtherGhost
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Lol imagine the white knighting faggot who wrote this
Sir Incelot
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"Theories" like this screed literally just make up...
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It wasn't insane. It was cold and calculating and totally c...
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"It wasn't insane. It was cold and calculating and tota...
War Machine
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She didn't do it as a show of strength to the people of King...
ESL TM..,..;;.
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"shows of strength" were what got the last Targary...
War Machine
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But she thought she could win over the population with charm...
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this is actually right. she tried to be nice. like those f...
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The Lannister troops had surrendered. There was nothing to i...
War Machine
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She really IS like Hillary-- Tries hard to get people of Wes...
Guy Debord
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in addition, she effectively controlled all of Westeros. She...
War Machine
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She just had a close ally try to kill her in favor of Jon Sn...
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https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/05/14/game-of-thrones-daen...
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Who could forget the time when the Mereenese slavers surrend...
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I seriously question the mental state of people who are equa...
War Machine
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But you don't have what it takes to rule seven medieval king...
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The problem is that you view this as totally different and a...
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Except she had multiple chances to burn King's Landing to th...
War Machine
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You really can't see how things have changed?
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https://youtu.be/2DYs4_1IONY
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lmao "Please make sure to give me a heads up when yo...
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so you’ve never watched the show or read the books the...
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Night King was a HOAX! https://i.redd.it/3bb87thmz6z21.jpg
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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:05 PM
Author: '''''''"'"

they say it's in their bloodline but her brother is clearly nuts or at least power hungry and stupid from early on. Dany, by comparison, is portrayed as a smart ruler with a sense of justice for 7.5 seasons. or at least like five seasons or so, excluding when she was too young.

then after like three episodes of season 8 the show runners just tell the actress to stare off into the distance kind of cockeyed for two episodes and we're just supposed to accept her burning innocent people alive for no reason?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226161)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:08 PM
Author: no waste raw vegan

Dany was a shit ruler who was always brutal and on the edge of insanity. You thought you were watching a show about her gaining experience and wisdom and leveling up but you had no objective reason to believe that's what was happening

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226172)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:14 PM
Author: '''''''"'"

examples of her being on the edge of insanity? they'd showed her being decisive and not always merciful where she might have been. I don't know if she was a "good" ruler or not but they make the point that the people following her do so freely.

either way it's a far cry from having the presence of mind to follow strategy early on (attacking the iron fleet from directly above to limit their ability to fire scorpions) and then burning thousands of innocent people for no reason after the opposition has surrendered.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226207)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:16 PM
Author: GOY SUPERSTAR

Didn't she burn all the dothraki leaders alive for having the gall to question her "leadership" of their tribe, despite her being an underage white girl outsider with zero reasonable or legitimate claim to rule them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226226)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:18 PM
Author: ><<(^((*>



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226251)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:32 PM
Author: Guy Debord

Uhhh, she also crucified some folks.

OP doesn't know what she is talking about.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226320)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:37 PM
Author: '''''''"'"

fair enough I guess. I never really watched the show closely at all.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226349)



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Date: May 19th, 2019 3:23 PM
Author: MessageSentInErrorPlsDelete


And she burned prisoners of war alive for refusing to 'bend the knee' to her.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38257005)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:12 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226904)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 9:21 AM
Author: War Machine

No the Dothraki were going to gangrape her and keep her prisoner in a senior's home for khal widows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227434)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 3:14 PM
Author: wagecuck lawyer faggot3

She burned the widows.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38229162)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:16 PM
Author: +1 yearly prestige

All of her advisors -- besides Tyrion who she hardly trusts anymore -- who would have urged temperance/mercy/caution are gone. Think Jorah/Barristan, both of whom talked her out of crazy shit in the past.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226231)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:44 PM
Author: .,.,,.,..,.,.,:,,:,,.,:.,.:,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.


Didn't she lock that nigger in a vault in Tarth?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226386)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: '''''''"'"

hadn't that guy betrayed her and tried to kill her?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226417)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:50 PM
Author: no waste raw vegan

Still it's fucked up. When cersei torture-executed people, ppl thought it was fucked up but when Dany would do it for some reason ppl would defend it as "Justice'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226435)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:12 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226906)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:09 PM
Author: Wilbur Mercer, the supreme gentleman (Crypto Musk Ox)

hasn't she been getting drilled by her brother?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226176)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:44 AM
Author: :;:;:;;.,,,.:;:;:..,,,,.:;:;:::


Nephew.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226680)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:09 PM
Author: GOY SUPERSTAR

I haven't watched GoT for several seasons other than occasional clips, but I specifically remember dany being over the top arrogant, clueless and eye-rolly pretty consistently throughout the series

At the very least the actress is so comically bad that it was the impression that I frequently got from her dialogue

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226177)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:13 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226909)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:09 PM
Author: +1 yearly prestige

She's a woman

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226180)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:15 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226914)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:09 PM
Author: longwangpoontang

Pilot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226181)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:10 PM
Author: '''""''"

You probably don’t remember when she publicly executed that guy who was loyal to her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226185)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:15 PM
Author: '''''''"'"

I'm a pretty casual and absent minded watcher of the show, so yeah I don't remember that specifically. details? do you think the writers actually set this plot point up logically over the course of the last few seasons?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226219)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:24 PM
Author: no waste raw vegan

She was always doing brutal awful things and/or being talked out of doing brutal awful things by people like jorah. People thought she was learning to become a good ruler and her heart was in the right place etc etc, but actually she was a grey character becoming blacker over time, not whiter

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226280)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:15 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226917)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 4:56 AM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed

I don’t get it. If she was becoming blacker (better, more just) why would she turn heel like this? Don’t u mean she was becoming whiter (evil)?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227132)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:17 PM
Author: no waste raw vegan

Or when she burned one of masters in mereen alive who had nothing to do with the sons of the harpy just to scare the other masters after barristan died

Or crucified that one anti-slavery master then literally told his son to marry her or die

Or when she burned that witch alive for turning drogo into a zombie when he was a brutal warlord who fucking deserved it and the witch had every right to want revenge against him

Or when she burned the tarlys alive

Or when she locked that prostitute friend of hers alive in that vault in quarth to slowly starve to death when the girl was a literal sex slave who was just trying to stay alive



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226238)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:18 PM
Author: ><<(^((*>



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226248)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:20 PM
Author: Ephebophile

In the books she also let a bunch of Mereen civilians get raped and murdered by the freed slaves/her soldiers, so only a small step from that to King’s Landing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226260)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:33 PM
Author: Guy Debord



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226327)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:49 AM
Author: Sir Incelot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226827)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:17 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226920)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 4:05 AM
Author: '''""''"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227097)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:15 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226915)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:16 PM
Author: ><<(^((*>

its a mix of

1. she's always been a brutal despot, justifying it to herself constently

2. everyone close to her other than the final dragon and the black dude have died. her brother, her husband, her dothraki advisor girl, her old knight guy, her ser friendzoned, 2/3rds of her dragons, her black friend girl. she's feeling angry and vulnerable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226225)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:22 PM
Author: '''''''"'"

okay maybe idk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226271)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:17 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226922)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:21 PM
Author: Risten

Just imagine. If Jon had dicked her down rill good the night before, all of that could have been avoided. NEVER turn down ur girl if she wants to fuck!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226267)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:21 PM
Author: ><<(^((*>



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226270)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:17 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226923)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:52 PM
Author: Mance Rayder (/s/ Mance Rayder)

Literally came here to poast this, including "dicked her down"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38228384)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:27 PM
Author: Pumpin Black Gash

OH MY GAWD THAT’S DANY TARGARYEN’S MUSIC

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226295)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:38 PM
Author: '''''''"'"

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226351)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:46 PM
Author: ><<(^((*>

*comes out to a slower hip hop remix of her babyface theme

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226401)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:06 AM
Author: Dr. Cool



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226518)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:47 PM
Author: ..,,,..,,,;;;....;;....,,...


season 2 - house of undying. dany has a vision of walking through snow but its actually ash. that foreshadows her burning king's landing to ground in season 8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226410)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:17 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226924)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 3:11 AM
Author: no waste raw vegan

House of the undying scene for those who don't remember https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gulVUWrADCM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227030)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:50 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,..,.,:,,:,,..,:::,.,.,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,,


1. She was cold as ice when her brother was murdered

2. she murdered the slave masters

3. Walked into scalding water

4. Roasted the tarleys

5. Wanted to roast kings landing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226438)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:49 AM
Author: '''''''"'"

people keep pointing to things like killing the tarleys or imprisoning the guy in Tarth, which seem like weak examples to me. the guy in Tarth had tried to kill her iirc and the tarleys refused to bend the knee.

I thought she'd been portrayed as, on balance, a reasonably just and competent leader til now. some people have pointed to harbingers of madness I may have forgotten/not picked up on, but it's wrong to lump every act of violence on her part into some narrative that she was going to turn villain. she claims to be the rightful monarch. the tarleys, after losing in battle and being fully informed of the consequences of their decision, were given a fair opportunity to acknowledge her claim to the throne and join her cause. they refused. indeed the same choice was given to all her adversaries surviving the battle, not just ones from powerful families or with something to offer in trade, and many chose to bend the knee and be spared.

within the context of the somewhat more ancient/medieval ethics of the show's time period, executing the tarleys and others who refused seems to me a perfectly reasonable and not despotic result. claiming, correctly or incorrectly, that she's been portrayed in the show as mostly "good" up until now is not akin to claiming she's been portrayed as infinitely merciful or christlike.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226706)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:52 AM
Author: Aboriginal Pancake House

cr. and even if the tarly execution is considered evil, it’s still markedly different than destroying an entire city of completely innocent women and children.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226712)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:01 AM
Author: '''''''"'"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226737)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 8:52 AM
Author: Thud Butt

yeah but remember when she destroyed an entire city of completely innocent women and children in S3

her advisors were like "uh don't do that society will collapse and everyone will die"

she said "fuckkk u i am a strong independent womyn who don't need no man" invaded, set herself as ruler, society collapsed, and tons of women and children starved to death or were rapemurderpwned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227376)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:18 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226926)



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Date: May 12th, 2019 11:55 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

The problem is the show and showrunners. The books work very hard to avoid making anyone black or white, and Dany is always very much a Targaryan looking to regain her crown at any cost. The show, instead, turned her into a major protagonist that is white and fluffy and someone to cheer for, which didn't mesh well with her final destiny. I don't know they if they didn't realize that this is what they were going to have to write to or if they just ignored it until it was too late or what.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226461)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:06 AM
Author: Dr. Cool



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226516)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:07 AM
Author: DrakeMallard (Let's get dangerous)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226521)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:34 AM
Author: '''''''"'"

ty this is helpful.

I've also seen it said elsewhere that the actress who plays Dany is one of the weakest actors on the show and that writers/showrunners were frustrated that it was very difficult to show nuance or conflict in her character once the final product was on screen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226639)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:36 AM
Author: Dr. Cool

ever seen the GoT audition reel? she was the worst by far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbiA8RpM9ZM

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226651)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:50 AM
Author: '''''''"'"

ty will watch later

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226708)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 7:39 AM
Author: wait till biggus dickus hears of this

Imagine being the producer or casting director whose balls she drained, trying with a straight face to convince everyone else that she's good for this role. Must be why they had her read the script for a basic costume drama requiring no affect whatsoever, instead of the back-to-back happy/angry read like Joffrey's actor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227260)



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Date: May 19th, 2019 6:45 PM
Author: Dr. Cool



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38257699)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:14 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

I'll defend the actress. She is fine, it is obvious that she is playing the role written for her. She is cute and charismatic and fills the "small girl that is pursuing what she considers her birthright" role well. The problem is very clearly the weak writing. We've seen a ton of lack of attention to detail, particularly starting season 4 and on. Whenever Dany has been on you hear heroic music and so on, basically until the last few episodes. That is what made it so jarring and out of left field.

If they were more balanced (as the books have been), this would be less strange.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38228492)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 12:56 PM
Author: ...,,,.,..,.,,..,,,.,,,..,,,,...,,.


The writing is terrible. The actress is also terrible. Worst on the show by far and no longer even hot. She looks like Queen Elizabeth II these days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38238396)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:01 AM
Author: Gloostick

Part of it is that Emilia Clarke isn't a good actress. A better one probably could have shown a better descent into madness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226494)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:09 AM
Author: sealclubber

you know why she's a great actress?

because she's hot as fuck in this show and everyone hates her and starts picking people like missandrei as being hotter.

i'm not saying she's meryl streep, but in got she's done just fine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226530)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:10 AM
Author: Aboriginal Pancake House

what?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226534)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:14 AM
Author: Guy Debord



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226550)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:19 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226930)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:19 AM
Author: prince



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226931)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:48 AM
Author: Vice.com (👁☀️👁)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227004)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:58 AM
Author: 3 Guns



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227014)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:12 AM
Author: Gloostick

Have literally never seen that. Are you reading nig twitter?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226537)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:14 AM
Author: sealclubber

never seen people not saying she's the hottest actress on got? new here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226548)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:29 AM
Author: Gloostick

Missandei? Literally never

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226621)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 8:55 AM
Author: Thud Butt

missandei is the second hottest after melisandre

excluding very minor characters like i'm sure some whore in S1 was megafine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227380)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:23 AM
Author: Dr. Cool

this is not coherent

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226598)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:35 AM
Author: .........,,.,.,.,.,,,,,,.,.,.,.,.,.


1) she is a shitty actress

2) mixed girl is better looking

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226641)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 12:58 PM
Author: ...,,,.,..,.,,..,,,.,,,..,,,,...,,.


mixed girl, cersei, red woman, that redhead wildling are all hotter

these days Dany looks like Queen Elizabeth II with her droopy wrinkleface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38238402)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 8:52 AM
Author: Dupa

what

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227377)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:00 AM
Author: Jim Damiano (earl)

She's a woman, she is going crazy because people do not like her.

In Mereen they liked her - popularity can conceal the worst impulses of a the female species for a while - or bring it out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226735)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:09 AM
Author: honk honk

The heel turn was her quest for power being completely nullified the moment aegon was revealed. She had no claim to the throne and Jon is simply the better leader. That quest was her entire life and she lost it

But as everyone has noted, she's always had vignettes of targaryen ultraviolence

You could probably also make the case that her dragons kept her grounded (heh), as well as all her advisors who pushed back but especially her dragons

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226752)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:20 AM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226936)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 4:08 AM
Author: Pumonymous

cr, it's like when hillary lost to trump and started throwing champagne bottles through TV screens

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227102)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 10:27 AM
Author: honk honk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227612)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 12:53 PM
Author: biglaw lives matter (retired)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38228389)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 7:44 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. (Clinton lost 54 house/8 senate seats; Obama 63/6)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38230541)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:10 AM
Author: libcrusher180 (😎)

#DemThrones

https://twitter.com/kturcioss/status/1127762725990555653

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226755)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:13 AM
Author: libcrusher180 (😎)

i was laughing through a lot of the episode.

the part where Qyburn got pushed and died instantly was hilarious

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226760)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:20 AM
Author: honk honk



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226775)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:40 AM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,....,:,..,:.:.,:.::,


Yes that part was 180

Sandor also ignoring cirscie and letting her pass was good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226992)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:43 AM
Author: ..............;...................


I LOL'd when Jamie said "Cersei always said I was the stupidest Lannister."

Also, that Tyrion translation joke was such a fucking dud. I feel like they have one writer on staff who is horribly unfunny and just pushes all the bad stuff in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226997)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 8:56 AM
Author: Thud Butt

tbf he was pushed by someone with ultrahuman strength, and also qyburn was like an 80yo man or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227381)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:16 AM
Author: .,.,...,.::;:,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,


wtf? she seemed to start turning evil about when she married drogo, definitely by the time viserys died. very early on.

almost everything she ever did after that was retarded on some level. fuck that bitch.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226764)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:13 AM
Author: ><<(^((*>



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226910)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 3:00 AM
Author: 3 Guns



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227017)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 1:51 AM
Author: DrakeMallard (Let's get dangerous)

https://twitter.com/OnFireGaspy/status/1127794839821508608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226833)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:14 AM
Author: '''''''"'"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226911)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:38 AM
Author: .;:..;:.;.:.;.,,,..,.:,.;....;,;;;..;,..,


Lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226988)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 3:01 AM
Author: 3 Guns

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227019)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:38 AM
Author: ..............;...................


I thought that was actually one of the best episodes of the entire season. I've been highly critical of the Dany vs John storyline because I haven't found it believable. She hadn't acted that erratic and I just didn't find the "she'll be a terrible leader" storyline to be credible - she's listened to reason and advisers for 7 seasons.

But i found it highly believable that after she got done burning the defenses on the dragon (and having lost 2 of her children, her best friend, her friendzone, and her bf - plus everyone hates her), that she'd just go fucking nuts and start burning shit.

It calls back to that story where Tyrion talked about that kid who just liked smashing bugs. She went berzerk riding a dragon and just wanted to burn it all down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38226986)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 2:48 AM
Author: ..............;...................


Also, this episode just shows how dumb Hollywood is where they make everything even all the time (like how in a Marvel movie the fist fights last the same amount of time wheter a god is fighting a god or a janitor).

The fights don't have to be even. It was great TV watching team Dany destroy all those dudes and then start running up the score. It's much more satisfying than dicking with the rules to make it an even fight (like inventing SAM dragon killing cross bows when everyone else fights with pointy sticks).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227002)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 9:33 AM
Author: War Machine

They've been building up to the scorpions all series. They even make a point of Joffrey pointing out that they designed a better crossbow for him that uses a lever for tension instead of a crank. The same technology presumably went into the scorpions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227472)



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Date: May 14th, 2019 10:16 PM
Author: ><<(^((*>

good catch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38236054)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 8:50 AM
Author: Thud Butt

episode sucked last night, but there's a long history of Dany doing fucked up shit and letting her anger take over

remember in season one when she burned a hero (dothraki rapepwned a whole tribe, left one woman alive, she got revenge by killing drogo, dany roasted her alive)

remember when she executed someone loyal to her without any sort of trial

remember when she threatened to burn qarth to the ground because they calmly, politely, and peacefully wouldn't let a stranger with dragons enter the city and sleep there for free

dany basically acted like joffrey most of the series but no one seems to have cared because she has tits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38227373)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 3:36 PM
Author: libcrusher180 (😎)

>melisandre gets captured and beheaded

>jon snow is dany's nephew

>they've been fucking and now jon doesn't want to anymore

>all allies would rather jon be king

>dany has no friends left

>honkhonk.png

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38229295)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 5:46 PM
Author: Thud Butt

missandei

melisandre is the other one with nice tits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38229962)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 3:40 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

her catchphrase means "burn it all down"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38229312)



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Date: May 14th, 2019 5:16 PM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38234678)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 3:55 PM
Author: histrionic bitchmade lawyerfaggot

I don't know. I liked last night's episode far better than the TTT Night King one. And Dany's character arc was leading up to that point. She's never been one to show great empathy for others. It was really a flip of a coin the way Varys described. Once there was no one left who truly "loved" her the way she believed she was deserving of, she said F it and decided to go WGTOW. I can sort of see it from her perspective. Just burn it all to the ground and rebuild/repopulate with your own people out of the rubble instead of constantly having to watch your back attempting to govern those who hate you.

I also like how, at least after this episode, Jon Snow's heroic character arc is completely soiled and he turns into an extreme cuck and gets got just like his hero/uncle Ned Stark.

I get that it all happened too fast for some people's tastes, but I still found it satisfying.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38229368)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 7:26 PM
Author: Sotomayors Wise Burrito Farts

Wasn't even necessarily crazy.

1) She warned the city

2) She blamed the proles for not overthrowing Cersei like the slaves did to their masters

3) Her beheaded black friend's last word literally means burn the motherfuckers

4) She knew the people needed to fear her if they weren't going to love her

5) Genghis Khan did the same shit to Beijing (surrender or I burn the motherfucker down) and people don't call him crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38230459)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 7:56 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. (Clinton lost 54 house/8 senate seats; Obama 63/6)

Cr it seemed planned to me.

The "craziest" thing she ever did imo is lock up her dragons. The rest seemed strategically reasonable. This last part was a strategic mistake on her part but not a "crazy" one. And not half as bad as the locking up her dragons fiasco.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38230567)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 9:24 PM
Author: SomeOtherGhost

They surrendered pretty quickly and easily

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38230960)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 10:13 PM
Author: .;:..;:.;.:.;.,,,..,.:,.;....;,;;;..;,..,


From another bort:

The timing of Daenerys' choice to annihilate the citizens of King's Landing after hearing the bells and acknowledging the surrender of Cersei's forces is completely logical and in no way poor storytelling. At this point, her victory is confirmed and absolute. Now, the revenge she's been planning since her childhood can take place. She doesn't need to placate anyone any longer. There is no more need to frame herself as a liberator, or a "different kind of Targaryen."

It seems very sensible that while building an army overseas she would need some appeal other than appearing as the conquering foreign power she was, hence she crafted the narrative that she was there to free people from oppression, in order to obtain their support. On returning to Westeros, she needed to distance herself from the still relatively fresh memory of her ancestors to obtain allies there, so she presented herself as someone who would be a more merciful ruler than prior Targaryens. Allying against the White Walkers was clearly something that irked her, as it cost her resources and did not directly aid her in her ultimate revenge agenda, but doing to both allowed her to appear as a heroic messianic figure (as she had done overseas) and to eliminate a future threat to her empire.

There is no character conflict I can see between her words and actions in prior seasons and the actions taken after securing her victory at King's Landing once you accept that she is just as skilled as lying as anyone else in the story, if not more so. She said what she needed to in order to gain power, and once she no longer needed to keep up any pretenses she did what she had been planning to do all along.

Daenerys set herself apart from other supposed "gifted liars" of the setting by not succumbing to arrogance or vulnerability. Other gifted dissemblers, like Petyr Baelish, fell prey to arrogance, at some point allowing themselves to essentially brag about their skill in deception, thereby exposing themselves as deceivers. Varys the Spider fell prey to vulnerability, attempting to sway others to share his ideals, as with his appeal to Tyrion, rather than keeping his agenda unspoken and acting independently.

There were moments where her mask had slipped previously, as others have noted, where she betrayed her ultimate intentions to take her vengeance in fire and blood. Anytime others saw through her false persona she snapped a bit, as she showed obvious anger when Sansa and others did not praise her more for the role she and her forces played in defeating the Night King.

Varys saw through her ruse to see her true agenda, and he died for it. Whether through fear or misguided love, she managed to keep most of her pawns in line until she could make her victory absolute. Once her victory was certain, she no longer needed to worry about appearances, and she could do what she'd intended to all along - make everyone in Westeros pay for what they did to her family.

The only criticism to the show runners on this is the claim that she made the decision in the moment as a result of mounting stresses. They may have done this to "soften the blow" for some viewers who (like so many characters within the fiction) fell in love with the persona Daenerys presented, rather than truly understanding the character herself. Clearly this was what she had been planning and dreaming of for her entire life. A liar never wants to be exposed, and becomes angry and stressed when someone sees through their deceptions. If anything it must have been a blessed release for her to stop pretending and to see her dreams fulfilled.

This was not a queen "going mad" - this was clearly the endgame she had been working towards the entire time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38231179)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 10:21 PM
Author: SomeOtherGhost

That’s the best reading, but not sure it’s quite the way Martin sees it and even less sure the showrunners are in alignment

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38231224)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 10:25 PM
Author: Sir Incelot

Lol imagine the white knighting faggot who wrote this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38231233)



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Date: May 13th, 2019 10:49 PM
Author: (*_*)//(^_^)\\(*_*)______('~')


"Theories" like this screed literally just make up explanations that are never given any hint of truth on the screen. "Oh Dany just lied every time she said 'I'm not here to be queen of the ashes'" etc. etc. You really think in a show that is extremely obvious and heavy handed with its constant foreshadowing that for 7 seasons Dany was constantly lying to people about wanting to be a better ruler?

The show gave zero indication that if Jon had kept silent about his heritage that she would have gone genocidal anyway. She was ready to take a gentler path until Jon apparently spurned her love (despite saying "I love you") the day before the attack.

There is plenty of groundwork there for Dany ultimately going this route in the books. But it is glaringly obvious that show fans are rewriting the last 7 years to avoid this version of her story being absolute dogshit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38231316)



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Date: May 14th, 2019 10:00 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

It wasn't insane. It was cold and calculating and totally consistent with her "I'll do anything to take and keep the crown" POV.

The reality is that Jon Snow is more likable and has a better claim to the throne. She also now knows that everyone else knows too. So what's left for her? Fear. She said so herself. She still has a dragon. So that's what she used. It won't work but from her POV it is her best bet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38235982)



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Date: May 14th, 2019 10:07 PM
Author: War Machine

"It wasn't insane. It was cold and calculating and totally consistent with her "I'll do anything to take and keep the crown" POV. "

THEY HAD ALREADY SURRENDERED.

What were they going to do, rebel to keep Cersei has queen? They hated her. She literally blew up the queen they actually liked and ruled like a despot. They would have been fine with Dany.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38236014)



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Date: May 14th, 2019 10:09 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

She didn't do it as a show of strength to the people of King's Landing. She did it as a show of strength to everyone else in Westeros, including Jon Snow. The message was "me and my dragon leveled King's Landing. Don't even THINK of fucking with me."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38236028)



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Date: May 14th, 2019 10:12 PM
Author: War Machine

"shows of strength" were what got the last Targaryen ruler murdered. Dany knows this. She spoke about it at length.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38236043)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 9:56 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

But she thought she could win over the population with charm. She has realized that this didn't work. And her father didn't have a dragon.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38237665)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 12:37 PM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,


this is actually right. she tried to be nice. like those few cringey scenes where she is trying to be nice to sansa when they're talking 1v1. and the deal with Gendry. it didn't work

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38238301)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 12:46 PM
Author: War Machine

The Lannister troops had surrendered. There was nothing to indicate the peasants wouldn't accept her as ruler.

And again, this is what got her father killed. You'd think she'd learn from his mistakes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38238336)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 12:51 PM
Author: Guy Debord

She really IS like Hillary-- Tries hard to get people of Westeros to love her and they always are like, "Nah--- but that guy you are running against seems cool..."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38238368)



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Date: May 14th, 2019 10:17 PM
Author: War Machine

in addition, she effectively controlled all of Westeros. She controlled Highgarden and Casterly Rock, the Greyjoy's allied with her. Jon repeatedly swore allegiance and had no interest in the crown., Dorne had a friendly ruler installed...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38236062)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 9:57 AM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

She just had a close ally try to kill her in favor of Jon Snow taking the crown.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38237671)



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Date: May 14th, 2019 10:57 PM
Author: .;:..;:.;.:.;.,,,..,.:,.;....;,;;;..;,..,


https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/05/14/game-of-thrones-daenerys-targaryen-has-always-been-a-mad-queen

It’s said that when a Targaryen is born, the gods toss a coin in the air and the world holds its breath to see how it will land: madness, or greatness. And in the penultimate episode of Game of Thrones, "The Bells," the world finally saw that madness take hold of our purported hero, Daenerys Targaryen.

This character turn sparked instant debate and backlash for the most-watched episode of the HBO series. How could the woman who was set up to be Westeros’s savior, who learned from past tyrants’ mistakes and who outright said she would not burn King’s Landing turn so quickly on all of the morals she held dear? How could the daughter of the Mad King who promised to break the wheel, to be better than those who came before, become the same evil that these characters have fought so hard to destroy?

While I do agree that Season 8 has done a pretty shoddy job explaining its character motivations -- particularly in bringing these character traits in Daenerys to the forefront -- Game of Thrones has been setting up this about-face for its Khaleesi since the beginning. Like with the best and most devastating of this show’s plot twists, from Ned Stark’s beheading to the Red Wedding, Daenerys’s dark side has been in front of us all along.

The Mother of Dragons

The Daenerys Targaryen of Season 1 is an innocent, but one whose entire life experience is colored by an unjust banishment from her home and an ingrained sense of purpose. Because the two most influential people in her young life -- Illyrio Mopatis and her older brother Viserys -- told her from the beginning that the number one goal for any surviving Targaryens was to return to Westeros and reclaim their rightful seat on the Iron Throne, the backbone of her upbringing were basic ideas of revenge and betrayal.

Of course, Daenerys always thought her cruel brother Viserys, who was clearly mad from the start, would be the one on the Iron Throne. It’s only when she married Khal Drogo and he killed Viserys that she even gained the opportunity to one day return to the Seven Kingdoms and sit on that spiky chair.

Showrunners David Benioff and D.B. Weiss point back to Daenerys’s reaction to Viserys’s death -- when she calmly watched him die in a horrifying manner and rationalized, “He was no dragon” because fire cannot kill a dragon -- as a worrying reaction early on. It’s one of the first instances of the audience dismissing a dark personality trait in a main character because we are rooting for them.

Daenerys became our stereotypical heroine when she walked through the flames, unburnt, with three baby dragons draped around her. But let’s not forget the cold-blooded murder of Mirri Maz Duur that led to the dragons being born. Daenerys initially tried to show the old witch mercy by trying to save her from the Dothraki, only to have that perceived kindness repaid with a curse. In that moment, Daenerys learned that giving mercy to those who seem vulnerable can be a weakness - one that robbed her of her husband and unborn son. Burning Mirri Maz Duur seemed justifiable after what she did to Dany’s family, but it was still a pretty chilling moment for the Mother of Dragons.

The Breaker of Chains

Daenerys’s entire ascension to ruler of the Slaver Cities has left a trail of blood and bodies behind. She killed the warlocks of Qarth and left Xaro Xhoan Daxos (and her handmaiden Doreah) to die in his empty vault. She had the Unsullied kill the masters in Astapor when she became the Breaker of Chains. She crucified the masters of Meereen in response to their cruel use of slave children to mark the path to the great city. She burned all of the Khals alive in Vaes Dothrak when they dared try to make her a Dosh Khaleen.

In each of these situations, we rooted for Daenerys to succeed because we saw the world from her perspective, and these people were “evil,” based on her experiences. Game of Thrones never did anything to dissuade us from the viewpoint that she was a hero, not a tyrant. But Daenerys made a mess in Slaver’s Bay, pure and simple, and she never proved herself to be an effective ruler. In Meereen she attempted to be just and kind, but when it came time to subdue the mutineers that rose up against her, she destroyed the city and left the entire country behind with a pretty weak support system in order to conquer a different continent altogether.

Check out IGN's speculation on Daenerys's villainous trajectory from the Season 6 episode "Blood of My Blood" below:

It seemed like Daenerys had learned from her prior mistakes when she did make it to Westeros. She found allies in the Martells and the Tyrells. She helped the North defeat the Night King and save the world. Back in Season 7 in "Stormborn," she opted not to torch King’s Landing when Ellaria Sand suggested it, specifically saying, “I am not here to be queen of the ashes.” She tried to take the peaceful route, tried to do what was right, and where did it leave her? Surrounded by strangers who did not want her as their queen, with all of her friends and allies dead, advisors who sided with her enemies to seat someone else on the Iron Throne, and citizens who do not love her as their “Mother.”

On top of it all, the one truth that had been ingrained in her from as far back as she could remember -- that her brother, and then her, should sit on the Iron Throne -- was challenged when she learned that another person, more loved by the people than she was, had a better claim to rule.

Protector of the Realm

Of course, all of this criticism of Daenerys is ignoring the character development Game of Thrones did to set up her as the hero of this story -- because as with any of us, we are the heroes of her own story. For all these decisions that do seem mad or cruel in retrospect, Daenerys still is the woman who freed slaves, locked her dragons away for accidentally killing one child, and tried to help other nations because it was right, not because it was convenient to her. She wanted to fix the injustices in the world and we cheered for her as she tried. She was our Khaleesi who was promised, and we loved her for it.

We only saw Daenerys's story through her own lens.

But that doesn’t mean she’s a ruler without flaws, and as much as Game of Thrones is doing a one-dimensional job examining her dark turn in Season 8, it did a similarly bad job challenging her as our hero in previous seasons. By Daenerys being so removed from the rest of our main characters, we only saw her story through her own lens, and those of people like Jorah and Missandei, who were devoted to her. The biggest changes in our perception of her in Seasons 7 and 8 have been because we’re suddenly seeing her through the eyes of our other heroes, specifically Sansa Stark, Tyrion Lannister, and Varys. (Only in episode 5 did Jon Snow seem to let his puppy dog infatuation with Daenerys fall aside.)

It’s similar to what the show has done with Arya Stark, who we cheer on as the slayer of the Night King and heroine who may save the day, without paying much attention to the fact she’s also become a cold-blooded assassin who put aside her humanity for many seasons to murder a trail of people who had slighted her and her family.

Daenerys’s story is now running parallel to itself, with her conquering Westeros instead of Essos. In the Seven Kingdoms, Jon Snow is our Daario Naharis, Tyrion Lannister is our Hizdahr zo Loraq, and Cersei Lannister is a concentrated version of the Sons of the Harpy. Whereas we cheered when Daenerys raged against Meereen, taking out their fleets with her dragons and sacking the city, now she is doing that on the audience’s “home turf.”

There’s no better example of this dichotomy and conflict as a viewer than in “The Bells” when we compare the look on Grey Worm’s face to Jon Snow’s after Daenerys goes in to torch the city after the bells start tolling. For Grey Worm, this attack is revenge, and in previous seasons set in strange lands, we might have been cheering as he got it. But on Jon’s face, we only see horror, as he sees a person he trusted -- we all trusted -- choose violence instead of mercy and destroy the place they were supposed to save.

Queen of the Ashes

Game of Thrones’ biggest disservice to Daenerys in these past couple of seasons has been its decision to keep the audience at arm’s length from these characters. Instead of getting the intimate “perspective” scenes that mirrored the POV chapters in George R.R. Martin’s A Song of Ice and Fire novels, which really put us in the characters’ heads and allowed us to follow their thought processes, the TV show has opted to keep their motivations a secret until a surprise plot twist that’s meant to shock us. (Exhibit A: Sansa and Arya teaming up to kill Littlefinger after the audience was led to believe they were being turned against each other.)

Daenerys accomplished what her father, Mad King Aerys, never could. He wanted to 'burn them all.'

A lot of these plot threads involve dissecting more than just what is shown on the page, and it will be a huge disappointment if Game of Thrones doesn’t dig deep into Daenerys’s psyche to explain her motivations so the audience can understand her violent choice in the final episode. She was treated as a one-dimensional villain in “The Bells,” and the showrunners’ explanation for why looking at the Red Keep was enough to make her choose murder over mercy, even after she’d already claimed victory over King’s Landing, is pretty shallow.

What’s more poetic is the fact Daenerys accomplished what her father, Mad King Aerys, never could. He wanted to “burn them all,” torching King’s Landing and its ungrateful residents with Wildfire before Jaime Lannister killed him to become the Kingslayer. Many years later, Daenerys carried out Aerys’s sadistic wish - it’s just hard to track why, when Daenerys never previously expressed a desire to make the residents of Westeros suffer, only Cersei.

It doesn’t help that the showrunners explicitly said Daenerys wasn’t a Targaryen ruler like her father only three years ago. "I think Dany's been becoming a Targaryen ever since the beginning of Season 1," said David Benioff in the “Inside the Episode” for the “Battle of the Bastards,” with D.B. Weiss adding, "She's not her father and she's not insane and she's not a sadist, but there's a Targaryen ruthlessness that comes with even the good Targaryens." Maybe they forgot a very key “yet”?

Fire and Blood

As IGN’s Game of Thrones reviewer Laura Prudom examined in her review of “The Bells,” Season 8 hasn’t dedicated much time to tying these pieces together, trading character development for shock value and making Daenerys’s sudden cruelty towards civilians seem like a complete departure from her established goals. It’s why Daenerys’s turn feels so out of left field even when the show has been laying the groundwork for a Mad Queen Daenerys from the start. The characters around her might have only started questioning her tyrannical streak this season, right as we’re approaching the endgame, but it was there all along.

It’s interesting how much “The Bells” mirrors Season 7’s “Stormborn,” where Daenerys meets with her advisors to discuss her plan for taking the Iron Throne. Yara Greyjoy and the now-dead Olenna Tyrell and Ellaria Sand encourage her to enact the same plan Dany roughly ends up using in Season 8, torching King’s Landing with her dragons and destroying the Iron Fleet. (Ironically, Tyrion Lannister challenges Ellaria’s bloodthirstiness by saying “we don’t poison little girls here,” when little over a season later that’s exactly what Varys tries to do to Daenerys in virtually the same room.)

Olenna advises Daenerys: “Commoners, nobles, they’re all just children, really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” In the penultimate episode of Game of Thrones, Daenerys finally chooses fear. Maybe it was madness, maybe it was ruthlessness, but this choice was waiting for her to make it all along. The real question is how she can come back from it -- if she can come back from it -- and whether Game of Thrones was ever about breaking the wheel after all.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38236313)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 10:11 AM
Author: (*_*)//(^_^)\\(*_*)______('~')


Who could forget the time when the Mereenese slavers surrendered the city to Dany and she responded by mass murdering all the slaves?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38237734)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 10:13 AM
Author: War Machine

I seriously question the mental state of people who are equating the murder of slavers and traitors to the wanton murder of innocent women and children ITT.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38237753)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 12:31 PM
Author: Andrew Jackson's record of tremendous success

But you don't have what it takes to rule seven medieval kingdoms, the world's largest empire.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38238272)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 12:54 PM
Author: Guy Debord

I don't think people are equating the two. They are saying that there is a pattern. She gives people a chance and, if they don't go her way she burns or crucifies them. She even says in last episode, about the people of King's Landing that they have had a chance to overthrow Cersei and have chosen not to -- unlike the slaves in Mereen. She thought EVERYONE should greet her as liberator and they haven't. They are all like "meh, whatever." On top of that she has Mr. Popularity looking over her shoulder who does seem to win the love of the people pretty easily AND has a better claim.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38238387)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 4:48 PM
Author: SomeOtherGhost



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38239582)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 4:59 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38239647)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 4:58 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

The problem is that you view this as totally different and assume the only reason she killed the slavers was that they were slavers. In reality, she would kill anyone who opposed her, it just so happened that she could use the slaves as allies/troops/cannon fodder and the masters were standing in her way. Simple as that. The ultimate goal for her was always the crown and total control - power that she shared with no one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38239643)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 7:47 PM
Author: War Machine

Except she had multiple chances to burn King's Landing to the ground before and didn't. She even said she didn't want to be "queen of ashes". Then, when she achieves relatively bloodless victory, she goes General Sherman? Doesn't make sense.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38240507)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 11:39 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

You really can't see how things have changed?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38241727)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 12:47 PM
Author: ....::::..::..,,....,........,..,,,,,.


https://youtu.be/2DYs4_1IONY

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38238342)



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Date: May 15th, 2019 7:56 PM
Author: Get Thee To The Rapery

lmao

"Please make sure to give me a heads up when you plan to overthrow me."

"Will do!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38240554)



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Date: May 16th, 2019 12:00 AM
Author: ><<(^((*>



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38241826)



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Date: May 19th, 2019 6:46 PM
Author: .....,,.....,,.....,,.................,,,


so you’ve never watched the show or read the books then. got it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38257706)



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Date: May 19th, 2019 7:35 PM
Author: libcrusher180 (😎)

Night King was a HOAX!

https://i.redd.it/3bb87thmz6z21.jpg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4260213&forum_id=2#38257914)