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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:01 PM
Author: abusive yapping center

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/california-to-provide-full-health-benefits-to-illegal-immigrants-under-age-26/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38368118)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:02 PM
Author: at-the-ready cruel-hearted prole fat ankles

ljl, pretty soon Californians are going to create fake illegal identities to get free healthcare and college.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38368124)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:06 PM
Author: Soul-stirring property idiot

The new spending will be offset by a fine on uninsured Californians similar to the “individual mandate” imposed at the federal level under Obamacare and subsequently reversed by the Trump administration.

lol what - they are going to fine Americans who can't pay for insurance to pay for insurance for non-Americans?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38368145)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:07 PM
Author: Lime swashbuckling philosopher-king

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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:07 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:08 PM
Author: vigorous turdskin therapy

and this is all to make sure everyone has insurance, which means there will be no one left to tax for not having insurance to pay for the insurance for everyone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38368151)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 10:52 PM
Author: vengeful macaca

but, well, um... damn. when you put it that way.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38370558)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:28 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:30 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:31 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 3:31 PM
Author: abusive yapping center

Any fair minded bort moderates want to defend this policy?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38368280)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 6:22 PM
Author: Charcoal Theater

this is what libs want

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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:51 PM
Author: bisexual garrison double fault

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Date: June 11th, 2019 11:14 AM
Author: Metal factory reset button

Seems like this is a policy designed to encourage working class people to emigrate to other states. The CA economic model is based upon a bagillion poor folks living among a few very wealthy people, basically like modern feudalism, serfs vote in line with their masters and enjoy financial benefits for doing so.

As a California ex-pat, I look forward to more of my high school friends moving to South Carolina.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38372294)



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Date: June 11th, 2019 1:16 PM
Author: motley magenta puppy

LOL and voting like they did in California.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38373004)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 6:20 PM
Author: abusive yapping center



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Date: June 10th, 2019 6:22 PM
Author: Charcoal Theater

hint "free" means real Americans will pay more for freeloading beaners to live here illegally and actually for free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38369186)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 6:23 PM
Author: abusive yapping center

"The new spending will be offset by a fine on uninsured Californians similar to the “individual mandate” imposed at the federal level under Obamacare and subsequently reversed by the Trump administration."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38369192)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 6:24 PM
Author: vigorous turdskin therapy

"offset" (by 90%, 3%...?)

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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:07 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 6:25 PM
Author: well-lubricated shivering locale

"The California Immigrant Policy Center called the program a "clear step forward" but lamented the decision to block the elderly from the plan.

"The exclusion of undocumented elders from the same health care their U.S. citizen neighbors are eligible for means beloved community members will suffer and die from treatable conditions," the advocacy group said in a statement.

Anthony Wright, executive director of the advocacy group Health Access, said further expansion of the program could come in the future."



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38369200)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:07 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:14 PM
Author: high-end zippy library haunted graveyard

what is that? oh, you’re NOT a resident of the world’s 6th largest economy? well stfu then. this doesn’t concern you. cali pays far more in federal taxes than it gets back you deadbeats are lucky to have it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38369372)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:15 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:17 PM
Author: high-end zippy library haunted graveyard

they’re literally subsidizing your kids’ public education

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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:22 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:17 PM
Author: Offensive beady-eyed principal's office

plenty of poasters live in CA and think this is insane, pumo

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38369397)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:23 PM
Author: high-end zippy library haunted graveyard

well guess what? they can vote for candidates who will represent their interests. or move.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38369439)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:26 PM
Author: Indecent histrionic box office

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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:27 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:57 PM
Author: Trip athletic conference

Twist: they are, and soon only the degenerates and ultra rich will be left

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Date: June 10th, 2019 8:36 PM
Author: impressive hilarious orchestra pit

Unfortunately, it's hard to outvote the 20M crazy libs when they get an extra 10M illegal votes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38369771)



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Date: June 11th, 2019 9:42 AM
Author: high-end zippy library haunted graveyard

aka democracy

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Date: June 11th, 2019 11:36 AM
Author: Trip athletic conference

85 IQers are not capable of democracy

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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:20 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:36 PM
Author: primrose aromatic round eye stage

“By These Estimates, California Receives $0.99 in Federal Expenditures Per Dollar of Taxes Paid. “

https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/3531/2

Thanks for the help bro.

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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:39 PM
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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:58 PM
Author: Trip athletic conference

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Date: June 10th, 2019 8:07 PM
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Date: June 11th, 2019 9:44 AM
Author: high-end zippy library haunted graveyard

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Date: June 11th, 2019 10:37 AM
Author: primrose aromatic round eye stage

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Date: June 11th, 2019 11:34 AM
Author: Metal factory reset button

I don't trust those figures AT ALL because they generally don't take into consideration a bunch of financial factors, most notably defense spending (in terms of both the enormous economic impact maintaining large bases has on a state and the enormous economic impact caused by development and manufacture of weapons). CA has a enormous Aerospace industry as well as the Southern CA being home to some of the larges bases in the country.

Hell, San Diego is just a big Navy base surrounded by some businesses. Those figures you cite don't take into consideration any of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38372357)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 10:55 PM
Author: zombie-like twinkling french chef rehab

by design, some states will pay more to the feds than they take in and vice versa

paying in more, however, isn't a license to commit treason

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38370579)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 7:15 PM
Author: Excitant Turquoise Step-uncle's House

just keep voting lib bro, what could go wrong?

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Date: June 10th, 2019 8:03 PM
Author: Concupiscible Messiness

Wait -- so If I need some expensive procedure, I can just go to California, lie and say I'm a broke 25 year old Australian and in the country illegally and they will just give me it for free?

Or do they only give it to you if you're non-White?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4280113&forum_id=2#38369656)



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Date: June 10th, 2019 8:08 PM
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Date: June 11th, 2019 3:16 AM
Author: Sienna Sanctuary

you have to show your passport from a Latin American country

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Date: June 10th, 2019 8:10 PM
Author: Flickering corner marketing idea

LMAO are they out of their minds??

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Date: June 10th, 2019 11:03 PM
Author: Federal violent dragon



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Date: June 10th, 2019 11:05 PM
Author: Offensive beady-eyed principal's office



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Date: June 10th, 2019 10:59 PM
Author: fantasy-prone ticket booth

lmao

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Date: June 10th, 2019 11:19 PM
Author: crawly spectacular travel guidebook

How do they get the price down to free? Pretty impressive.

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Date: June 11th, 2019 9:07 AM
Author: 180 mad-dog skullcap death wish

The anti-west never ceases to amaze me

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Date: June 11th, 2019 9:09 AM
Author: Irradiated Ungodly Organic Girlfriend

fake news

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Date: June 11th, 2019 9:31 AM
Author: Soul-stirring property idiot

?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48585037

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/10/731311422/californias-budget-proposal-would-expand-health-care-to-some-undocumented-immigr

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Date: June 11th, 2019 9:33 AM
Author: Exciting Walnut School Cafeteria Famous Landscape Painting

Why are they being bigoted and only offering health services to non-citizens who happen to live in the state? What about those who couldn't make the journey? They need to allow anyone to sign up, regardless of location within artificial "borders."

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Date: June 11th, 2019 9:43 AM
Author: Massive stimulating scourge upon the earth abode



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Date: June 11th, 2019 11:24 AM
Author: curious anal regret

prob good that they are doing this so we can at least see what a shitshow "medicare for all" would be in this country.

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