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Libs going after single family homes (NYT)
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Date: June 18th, 2019 11:57 AM Author: Filthy hell They're rayicss:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/06/18/upshot/cities-across-america-question-single-family-zoning.html |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 11:59 AM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area restrictive zoning is stupid.
regulating what people can build is hardly conservative. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:12 PM Author: sick supple space chad yea seriously bro. being for limited govt means whenever the govt does anything you have to be against it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405737) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:23 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area it might be reasonable to decide that these particular regulations are worthwhile
what you can't do is fulminate against 'LIBS' for advocating deregulation. many posters seem embarassed to admit they are huge shitlib retards who want to regulate for nice things |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:31 PM Author: sick supple space chad wanting to not have asshole jews/turdskins build apartments buildings in the middle of your sfh neighborhood doesn't make you a "shitlib retard". again, you're taking the very very simplistic and very very dumb approach that all regulation at even the local level is "shitlib" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405833) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:35 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area you're just a garden variety NIMBY shithead, not some heroic conservative. embrace it!
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:44 PM Author: Arousing Station Useless Brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405897) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:47 PM Author: glittery sex offender pervert (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405915) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:53 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Being a NIMBY makes sense though. It isn't "heroic" but it is entirely rational and I'm fairly certain that if you bought a nice, expensive house and they bought the lots around you and converted them to various garbage dumps, homeless shelters, etc. that you would become a NIMBY instantly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405961) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:16 PM Author: sick supple space chad your just a garden variety "waah I'm too fucking poor to buy a house in the super high COL suburb I want to live in" faggot. god forbid you'd ever just move somewhere you can afford a house because that would make you a PROLE.
the thing with housing is that everyone, literally EVERYONE, acts entirely and 100% in their own self interest. it has nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 4:04 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406597) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:45 PM Author: Red Main People This is heresy against Moloch the god of the free market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405903) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:16 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain most zoning is done town by town. that's about the best regulation there is, because you can in many respects choose the town you buy into. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405756) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:41 PM Author: Free-loading Sepia Becky Elastic Band lmao restrictive zoning = you get manhattan
no restrictive zoning = you get housTTTon |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:49 PM Author: crystalline aromatic scourge upon the earth codepig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405924) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:17 PM Author: thriller home coffee pot Damned if you do, damned if you don't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406073) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 3:34 PM Author: comical fantasy-prone cuckold fat ankles Houston is awesome shitlib (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406432) |
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Date: June 19th, 2019 12:32 AM Author: startling property puppy Houston does not call it zoning, but they have large minimum lot sizes and restrictive covenants limiting large swaths of the city to residential use. Manhattan's dense grid and mixed uses were well established when they implemented their first zoning resolution in 1916. While the current zoning resolution is very complex with sky exposure planes, contextual zoning, etc., they permit extremely high density and much of the city is mixed-use. In general, pre-zoning cities like NYC, Chicago, SF, Boston, and Philly are vastly superior to post-zoning cities like Atlanta, Phoenix, and nominally un-zoned Houston. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38409048) |
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Date: June 19th, 2019 8:07 AM Author: Laughsome Submissive Gas Station Shut up, gook. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38409798) |
Date: June 18th, 2019 12:02 PM Author: indigo depressive kitty cat i already wrote an unhinged rant about this on this board like a month ago. this shit is so fucking evil and unforgiveable
The Machine will not stop until we have been turned into another 3rd world country with filthy, disgusting, dangerous cities packed full of slaves and gated communities where the rich hide out |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:05 PM Author: Olive razzmatazz heaven travel guidebook Love you bro but this is wrong. Limitations on housing construction is the main thing turning cities like San Francisco into hellholes with a super rich elite ruling over a horde of dusky peasants. The middle class simply can't afford to live in them. It's a hard situation because it does make sense to want to keep feral blacks out of your neighborhood, but the problems are real. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405380) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:13 PM Author: indigo depressive kitty cat have you ever actually used your brain to think about this...?
single-family housing was easily affordable for normal middle-class families all across this country throughout the 20th century, including in san francisco, up until quite recently. obviously it cannot be single-family zoning causing this change in affordability, since single family zoning hasn't changed during this entire time period. this is basic logic
we all know the REAL reasons why housing costs have spiraled out of control: foreign buyers, property speculation, wealth concentration, collapse of wages for the working class, influx of immigration and undesirables shrinking the # of acceptable neighborhoods, etc etc
single-family zoning is definitely NOT one of the reasons why housing has become unaffordable for normal people, and the "solution" to this problem is definitely NOT getting rid of single-family zoning, which is literally one of the only things standing between our cities having at least some liveable neighborhoods for the non-rich and being third world shitholes |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:15 PM Author: Olive razzmatazz heaven travel guidebook We used to build a lot more housing that we do now, but the point that you have to understand is that you are always going to need more housing even if the population stays close to the same. Kids move out of mom and dad's house. It would be more or less illegal to build the nice parts of New York, London, SF, Paris etc. That isn't healthy and can't be allowed to continue. Let people build single family homes sure, but let them build more than that as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405415) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:15 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain >> we all know the REAL reasons why housing costs have spiraled out of control: foreign buyers, property speculation, wealth concentration, collapse of wages for the working class, influx of immigration and undesirables shrinking the # of acceptable neighborhoods, etc etc <<
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ending foreign purchases of real estate is an easy and non-controversial way to help ease housing costs |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:17 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area so you're saying ending foreign purchases of real estate will dramatically reduce the cost of housing across the board? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405427) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:20 PM Author: dashing legend cq, it makes sense and it sounds good but other than certain parts of Los Angeles and MFH this is a tiny tiny tiny part of the problem. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405439) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:20 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain it's not the only solution, but especially in bigger cities it will help ease prices all the way down the line.
London is a great example of how foreign buyers hurt. Belgravia used to be the aspirational neighborhood for London bankers and wealthy. as London has become a global city, Belgravia has become a collection zone for the WORLD's wealthy, and the bankers and London wealthy got priced out. but now those people start going to Kensignton, and that area gets substantially more expensive. and then on down the line. combine that with an influx in undesirable immigrants making swaths of the city undesirable, and you get a huge squeeze in the middle. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:21 PM Author: dashing legend this example kinda proves his point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405448) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:30 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area it's a red herring
sheikhs vying for west end property don't drive the enormous greater london market, which covers 10m+ people! property in london is still very unaffordable relative to income |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:16 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area if supply constraints have no impact at all, why hasn't supply simply adjusted to meet the increased demand from all cash chinese buyers and immigrants? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405420) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:24 PM Author: indigo depressive kitty cat we are discussing the CAUSE of the CHANGE of affordability of single-family homes
what you are proposing with your shitty 103 IQ sophistry is that we get rid of something existing that is desirable and good (single-family zoning) because something(s) that is undesirable and bad (foreign buyers, other CAUSES listed above) have CAUSED undesirable and bad consequences
no, we do not need to get rid of the good and desirable things that we already have in order to solve the problem of these bad consequences. we need to get rid of the CAUSES of these bad consequences
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:26 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405479) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:35 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area when you say "single-family zoning is definitely NOT one of the reasons why housing has become unaffordable for normal people" you are making a quantitative claim about supply constraints.
you are also just begging the question... all political decisions involve economic trade-offs. surely you studied this in your poli sci degree? |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:46 PM Author: indigo depressive kitty cat how the fuck are some of you guys lawyers, jfc
imagine a city of 1 million people with 200,000 houses where everyone lives in a single-family house with their family. then 1 million more people move to this city, and so there aren't enough houses to go around for the new people, so these people try to agitate to convert some of that single-family property into multi-family buildings
the lack of housing is not CAUSED by the single-family zoning. it's CAUSED by the 1 million more people moving there. the city was doing perfectly fine before all of those new people moved there and started DEMANDING changes from the existing population to accommodate them
i cannot make it any more clear than this |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:07 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area there is no single cause of an increase in price. the price of anything is affected by both supply and demand factors. did your poli sci degree not include ANY economics?
in reality, the demand factors you list are either complete red herrings (speculation from all cash chinese buyers) or effectively impossible to reverse.
you are also starting from the premise that single family homes should be an inalienable right, which is a frankly bizarre position. not a right that younger generations will ever enjoy though if morons like you get to decide.
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:10 PM Author: indigo depressive kitty cat go back to israel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405728) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:17 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area is there another way i can put this that would make you understand? you seem to be getting frustrated (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405761) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 9:05 PM Author: Motley Hateful Whorehouse Wait a sec...so you're saying...both supply AND demand play a role? Sounds like some sort of trick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38407996) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:08 PM Author: Red Main People (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405716) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:26 PM Author: light hideous theater roast beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405475) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:28 PM Author: Blathering blue cuckoldry shrine In CA, it’s actually all due to prop 13 and lack of supply for much higher demand. Other factors you listed have a much much smaller impact.
Given that is mainly a supply and demand issue, easing zoning restrictions is not actually a bad solution. Prop 13 will never ever go away. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:31 PM Author: unholy parlor "single-family housing was easily affordable for normal middle-class families all across this country throughout the 20th century, including in san francisco, up until quite recently. obviously it cannot be single-family zoning causing this change in affordability, since single family zoning hasn't changed during this entire time period. this is basic logic"
If your premise is that job growth, population growth, and income/wealth gains have been evenly distributed across the country then it might be "basic logic". But I don't think that's been the case. Post-WW2 we had much higher population growth. But housing construction kept up because much of the population and job growth was occurring in the suburbs and exurbs where it was less restrictive and cheaper to build. I do think zoning should be at least somewhat responsive to market conditions. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:09 PM Author: Red Main People (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405724) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:36 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area what do you think could be a major factor in wealth concentration?
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:43 PM Author: Free-loading Sepia Becky Elastic Band "obviously it cannot be single-family zoning causing this change in affordability, since single family zoning hasn't changed during this entire time period. this is basic logic"
in SF it's because there's no more places to build single-family housing, it's surrounded on three sides by water and one side by another city |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:06 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain it's not the big cities we should be worried about; it's the suburbs and other towns.
zoning for multifamily is a way to jam those areas with minorities, and to prevent what is usually a natural GOP advantage in state and US senates. it also makes these areas more transient. normally you have nice towns where people have to buy in and make an investment into the community, but now a single mom with her 4 kids can move into some shithole rental and use tons of school resources without investing into the town or contributing much in property tax (tax on a SFH is much higher than the percentage of rent of some shitty apt). this also makes the schools worse. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:13 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area zoning restrictions as a good thing because they are an effective way to maintain electoral advantages? hot take (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405404) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:06 PM Author: Red Main People (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405700) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 10:35 PM Author: yellow twinkling uncleanness spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38408481) |
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Date: March 29th, 2020 9:45 PM Author: Jet Forum Bingo. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#39895584) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:08 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area this place is full of people complaining about generational disadvantage. restricting land use has a real economic cost, and who do you think bears the cost? is it the boomers with paid off mortgages?
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:09 PM Author: Spectacular sable pit I don't really get modern American conservatives. are you guys still pretending to oppose regulation / government intervention or has that idea disappeared entirely from your bible? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405395) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:07 PM Author: pungent rigor juggernaut It's gone, you dumb faggot. Don't ask yet again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406029) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 3:29 PM Author: Mewling razzle-dazzle church Quit playing this disingenuous game. GOP quit caring about deregulation, international trade, and deficit spending the moment Trump was nominated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406404) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:17 PM Author: aqua boyish principal's office Literally what zoning does - not nearly enough housing built, despite demand and developers eager to fill that demand, and all of it is allotted to ghettos with no political power, so many live in poverty, spending most of their income on rent, while the elite hide in communities that are effectively gated by massive entry prices (since no smaller housing/duplexes/apartment buildings can be built). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405428) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:07 PM Author: Red Main People (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405701) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:10 PM Author: Shivering school cafeteria im against them for a completely different reason: Americans spend $40 Billion a year on lawn care. Fucking LAWN CARE. No other country even has lawns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405398) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:19 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Not true.
Suburb in France: https://l7.alamy.com/zooms/cc7447863ce84406b71d51be29c7b830/france-seine-saint-denis-tremblay-en-france-residential-area-in-the-cpydm5.jpg
German suburb: https://c8.alamy.com/comp/KFXMD9/suburban-settlement-in-germany-with-terraced-houses-home-for-many-KFXMD9.jpg
The US isn't unique at all.
Also, you can mow your own lawn (like I do). It isn't a big deal to spend 45 minutes every 2 weeks. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:20 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area yes, many countries have their own retarded zoning laws. the UK has some of the worst. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405440) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:23 PM Author: aqua boyish principal's office LOL, that isn't a suburb in Germany, those are community gardens split into allotments that people visit occasionally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405457) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:28 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Updated. Please review at your convenience. Thankl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405491) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:34 PM Author: Stirring Copper Church Building Filthpig Will do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405524) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:16 PM Author: Brass national old irish cottage England also gets a shitload of rain that can support a lawn without sucking up significant resources. That’s not true with Arizona.
A lot of the best golf courses in the UK do not have irrigation systems, and the ones that do installed them fairly recently. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:22 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Most of America isn't Arizona. And if you have a lawn on Arizona then that's on you. But I haven't watered my lawn once here and it looks great. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405787) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:24 PM Author: sick supple space chad in arizona ppl put rocks and shit instead of grass on their lawns anyways (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405795) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:37 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Yeah, there's a "desert appropriate" lawn alternative commonly used in places like that with cactuses and similar plants. But some communities do stupid things and everyone has lawns, which sure, is dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405863) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:17 PM Author: crusty crackhouse The Sovietization of America continues on pace. Warms my heart. Makes me glad we let you think you won the Cold War. Hint: you didnt. We poison pilled your society. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405423) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:19 PM Author: Racy Roommate This is 100% true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406086) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:21 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406097) |
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Date: March 29th, 2020 9:47 PM Author: Jet Forum How did you do that? Spell it out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#39895596) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:17 PM Author: Blathering blue cuckoldry shrine Changing restrictive zoning is good for urban cities like SF and LA. The people opposing it are NIMBY boomers riding the wave of housing appreciation and pensions who have no business living in these neighborhoods anymore. Also since these areas are rich, there wouldn’t be an influx of minorities moving in. It becomes only more “affordable” for the 1%.
Changing zoning for secondary cities though is not recommended. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:18 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area zoning restrictions have an economic cost everywhere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405430) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:09 PM Author: pungent rigor juggernaut CR. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406036) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:17 PM Author: Red Main People California Shitlibs’ new meme is that everyone who prefers living in single family homes with yards (ie 95% of white people) are “NIMBYs” who need to be demonized.
Their endgame is to “let the free market” deposit midrises filled with foreigners (and YIMBYs on the top floor) throughout their neighborhoods. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:19 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area twist: most of the hardcore NIMBYs are also shitlibs.
who do you think bears the real economic cost of zoning restrictions? |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:28 PM Author: Red Main People I have to disagree about the “NIMBYs” being libs. They vote for state and local populist candidates when they’re on the ballot. If the GOP ran candidates who weren’t libertarians they’d get a lot more support from them.
Zoning reg costs only fall on landlords who live remotely. People in the neighborhoods themselves like living in nice places protected by the zoning regs. Prevents diverse apartment complexes from being built on a residential family block. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:37 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area no, zoning costs fall on anyone who does not already own property or ever needs to move house. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405545) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:44 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain yes, but you are ignoring that they provide benefits as well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405580) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:13 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area minimum wage laws provide benefits! healthcare insurance laws provide benefits!
all government regulation has clearly identifiable benefits, but not all regulation is good... |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:25 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain except the people paying for zoning costs are usually the ones benefiting from it. i'd never ever buy in a suburb with no zoning rules. why would i do that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405802) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:32 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area many of the residents bought when prices were much lower. the people who pay are the newcomers or the many who are priced out. the incumbents have a strong incentive to ratchet up restrictions on development. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405837) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:34 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain agree but i am also willing to pay more to live in a place with those restrictions, especially today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405848) |
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Date: March 29th, 2020 9:48 PM Author: Jet Forum correct. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#39895603) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:21 PM Author: Brass national old irish cottage people who buy property later in time. basically millennials who spent their formative years being told to get off their boomer neighbors lawn.
buying land in California is basically a legalized pyramid scheme. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:21 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital They're doing this in places libs already have destroyed and are just destroying them further. Who cares if San Francisco or Seattle get rid of single-family home zoning? It is just cementing that those places aren't really livable for normal people. Just like NYC destroying public schools. Great, this will just be a boom for near urban suburbs.
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:24 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain i agree. that's why i said above this is good for the big dense urban cities, but it's bad for suburbs and smaller cities. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405469) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:27 PM Author: Stimulating plaza Tons of secondary cities are emptying out and dying. We should encourage productive people to move there instead of cramming more and more people into MFH/SF/DC/LA. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405487) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:29 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital That would be bad for libs, so this isn't going to happen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405498) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:16 PM Author: Fluffy Newt tbh it's probably better for libs to spread out into Pittsburgh/Cincinnati than it is for them to cluster in cities/states where their votes don't matter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405752) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:51 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital The issue is that if you have people turn 18 or finish college and move to Pittsburgh and Cincinnati instead of NYC/LA/SF then they're much less likely to become/stay a shitlib. Shitlibism works best in megacities where shitlib indoctrination is everywhere.
I was in NYC yesterday and you see giant rainbow shit everywhere. You just can't saturate young people's minds like that in the middle of the country. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:30 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib Climate sustainability has to be fundamentally based on most people walking/scootering/transit which requires dense housing. Everyone living on an acre in an exurb of 100k people driving 30 miles to work is not good. You can't decarbonize a 5,000 SUV with a combustion engine pushing rubber over asphalt all that much. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405501) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:33 PM Author: Stirring Copper Church Building Filthpig Best thing we could do for the climate would be to outlaw beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405517) |
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Date: March 29th, 2020 9:53 PM Author: Jet Forum No, the best thing would be nuclear power generation, like Japan and France utilize today to be self-sufficient. Nuclear obviously has issues (NIMBY, etc.) but the modern reactors are much more safe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#39895626) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:33 PM Author: indigo depressive kitty cat this is yet another bogus, dishonest lib talking point on this issue that is depressingly effective on normies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405519) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:35 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib Explain. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405534) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:39 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area another HOT TAKE from GOY SUPERSTAR
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:18 PM Author: sick supple space chad they should just find a way to make electric cars that cost $20K and aren't fuck my ass expensive to maintain.
no one wants to or will raise their families in shithole apartments with no car riding the city bus
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:21 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib There is no physics or chemistry that allows 5,000 lbs with rubber tires on asphalt to not be horribly expensive and polluting. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405784) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:23 PM Author: sick supple space chad pollution doesn't really matter but saving ppl $ on gas would help the economy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405790) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:24 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area why doesn't pollution or energy expenditure matter? i'm curious (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405799) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:26 PM Author: sick supple space chad because new york isn't going to be underwater, we're always going to be able to farm enough food and any of the other doomsday shit the I fucking love science crowd likes to spew is all bullshit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405807) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:39 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area there is an infinite supply of energy?
look, i understand this kind of indifference is psychologically healthy but do you realise how retarded you sound? |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:25 PM Author: frum masturbator boiling water he must have graduated from the same university that teaches the "Myth of Scarcity" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406118) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:25 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib cobalt and lithium are not cheap ffs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405803) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:28 PM Author: sick supple space chad figure out a way for it to be cheap. also figure out a way to power Arizona on solar power. if neither are possible then stfu about global warming because obviously libs aren't going to stop flying in planes everywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405814) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:30 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib electricity generation is only 33% of emissions. We need to take on cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405830) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:32 PM Author: sick supple space chad no, we actually don't. you need to get a fucking job. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405838) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:13 PM Author: pungent rigor juggernaut (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406055) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:14 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib getting jobs is impossible. hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406062) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:20 PM Author: sick supple space chad it completely isn't. you don't want to work because it will interfere with your twitter (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406088) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:33 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib I actually tried. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406169) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:36 PM Author: sick supple space chad mcdonalds is hiring (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406188) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 3:43 PM Author: comical fantasy-prone cuckold fat ankles We need high speed rail to make this viable. The cuck GOP refuses to build the trump train. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406476) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:32 PM Author: Stirring Copper Church Building Filthpig Lol @ all the home owner cucks itt scrambling to defend oppressive big-govt zoning regs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405509) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:08 PM Author: Multi-colored Jet-lagged Area it is apparently the vigorous anti shitlib position to be in favour of strict regulations governing what you can do with your own land! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405713) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:18 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital It is a balancing act though. Libertarianism works great when people aren't shitheads. Imagine if you lived next to Are Reptile who had a yard but because he can't do yardwork he paved over his entire yard. So before his neighbor lived next to a house with green space and a yard and now? Just concrete or brick or whatever. That's pretty awful.
I totally respect having rules saying that you can't fucking do that and if it drives Are Reptiles out of your neighborhood then that's a feature, not a bug. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 3:45 PM Author: comical fantasy-prone cuckold fat ankles You don’t respect property rights. A private plot of land should be a refuge for the eccentric, not one more locus to be subject to pressures of conformity. There is a more final solution for are reptile types anyway. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 8:52 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Nah, you want that go move to the woods. If you live in a place where your neighbors have to deal with your weirdness then you have to conform to basic standards of behavior (which do and should vary from place to place). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38407945) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:31 PM Author: Crawly dull philosopher-king (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406155) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:37 PM Author: Stirring Copper Church Building Filthpig Real elephant in the room here is the snivelling liar Asian shitlib hypocrites who live in places like Seattle and SV and are the most strident NIMBYs in America (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405546) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 12:42 PM Author: painfully honest citrine stain this is very true (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405572) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:19 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Jews do this too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405775) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:23 PM Author: Brass national old irish cottage there was a hilarious vice article by an Asian Muslim concert about how right wing anti immigrant policies are taking hold in asian communities. I think the article covered Canada but could be wrong.
(edit) here you go:
https://news.vice.com/en_ca/article/gyngex/how-anti-immigrant-rhetoric-crept-into-chinese-canadian-politics |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 1:33 PM Author: chartreuse fiercely-loyal piazza Like so many things, we can get rid of oppressive zoning regimes when we live in a white ethno state. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38405842) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:05 PM Author: topaz indirect expression Seems like one of the basic issues is how much economic activity is concentrated in a few cities. Most of the people in SF didn't ask for the tech industry to hit their city like a tidal wave, but it sure did. At the same time, land and housing are plentiful across ARE Country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406023) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:09 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib To minimize transaction and environmental costs, you want to build dense in superstar cities instead of trying in vain to spread the prosperity to small towns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406038) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:15 PM Author: pungent rigor juggernaut Lol no. I'd rather see humanity destroyed by nuclear war. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406064) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:18 PM Author: indigo depressive kitty cat you need to seriously re-evaluate how you think about society (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406078) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:20 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Transaction costs: no. In the modern world where you're constantly working with people around the world regardless there's zero reason to concentrate people in one of a few massive megacities. Especially since the costs of operating in those cities is huge.
Environmental costs: also no. Megacities are concrete jungles and massively polluted. To maximize how many people you can stuff into one place, you're going to destroy all of the nature and you won't have enough natural forest around to suck up pollutants. Basically, everyone around there is going to breath carcinogenic fumes 24/7. And shit like the waters around major cities are guaranteed to be terribly polluted because there's no good way of treating the massive amounts of sewage that city generates. See the rivers and bodies of water around NYC, DC, etc.
You want smaller centers around the country (cheaper for the company and the employees) where people can plant roots, are more committed to the company, can have families and houses and all that good stuff. People are closer to their communities and yes, people tend to cluster into cities with more similar people. That's a good thing. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 3:11 PM Author: Cerebral Stage Shitlib "Transaction costs: no.
[...] Especially since the costs of operating in those cities is huge." Are you really this dumb? |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:20 PM Author: thriller home coffee pot Thought this would be about forcing third worlders into citizen's homes. Guess libs arent quite there yet. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406089) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 2:27 PM Author: apoplectic goal in life Urban hellscape apartments for all (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406127) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 4:05 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital Nooooo, they're not Soviet-style block housing. They're "luxury" housing but also much smaller. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406605) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 3:41 PM Author: comical fantasy-prone cuckold fat ankles The increased density zoning I call for isn’t Chinese bug hive mega apartments with useless pissclit “green spaces”, it’s blocks of 5-6 story walk-ups plus actual parks, mixed in with light retail (no drive thrus, no big box nightmares; you don’t get huge crowds if the stores themselves are small). Literally all of Tokyo and Paris is like this, as is every other TRAD city that was designed around the needs of human beings rather than cars. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406468) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 3:43 PM Author: sick supple space chad no one wants to raise kids in a fucking apartment (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406477) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 3:48 PM Author: comical fantasy-prone cuckold fat ankles 1) Your Asian superiors do. 2) Single family areas will still exist, they aren’t going anywhere. |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 4:05 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital You're Asian we get it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406608) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 4:08 PM Author: sick supple space chad asians can stay in their own countries if they're so superior. fine with that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406625) |
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Date: June 19th, 2019 12:37 AM Author: grizzly windowlicker cumskin lol they just don't have much of a choice (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38409079) |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 4:08 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital I actually think that suburban hellscapes with no amenities other than like strip malls and chains are the analog to urban hellscape. You want a mix of single family homes, restaurants, small shops, real parks and yes, apartment buildings. I live in a place like this in a single family home and it is pretty great. The thing is that it is a balance and if this all became apartments, especially if those apartments fell under SJW policies of "import poor shitty people here so they can destroy nice neighborhoods" then it all falls apart and QOL goes to shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38406626) |
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Date: June 19th, 2019 8:16 AM Author: Laughsome Submissive Gas Station This has to be the Asianest post ever.
Please no cars! |
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Date: June 18th, 2019 10:36 PM Author: Sooty selfie Whites don't deserve yards or grass in NYC (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38408486) |
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Date: June 19th, 2019 8:10 AM Author: Dark Step-uncle's House Soviet block apartment housing for everyone (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38409799) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2019 1:14 PM Author: crusty crackhouse And Red Dawn too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38424740) |
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Date: June 22nd, 2019 4:12 PM Author: abusive overrated dragon hospital But with smaller apartments! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#38425445) |
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Date: March 29th, 2020 4:24 PM Author: Mind-boggling zippy circlehead libs always trying to make it easier for foreign invaders. even invisible ones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4285225&forum_id=2#39893142) |