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The Nordic Model May Be the Best Cushion Against Capitalism. Can It Survive Immi

FILIPSTAD, Sweden — At first, local leaders were incli...
:D
  07/11/19
Some decry an assault on “Swedish heritage,” or ...
""""'''""'
  07/12/19
Duh
gibberish
  07/11/19
GC is using mass immigration to destroy the nordic welfare s...
The Rudest Troll That Ever Troubled Daylight
  07/11/19
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GOY SUPERSTAR
  07/11/19
im not advocating for this or that but there’s at leas...
dont run + [Name] the DOJ sees u w/ [Young Name]
  07/11/19
im sure we could come up with some sort of "solution&qu...
TRUMP TEAM SIX
  07/12/19
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Would $1,000 change your mind
  07/12/19
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weird blob of shit from another dimension
  07/11/19
birdshits deserve this, i welcome a euro muslim and nig land...
AZNgirl ordering all NOWAGS back to their country
  07/11/19
did you even read the posted excerpt? this shit is threateni...
JFC
  07/11/19
Somali immigrant telling Swedes they didn't build that.
~~(>' ' )>
  07/11/19
redditors are fucking FURIOUS about this: https://www.redd...
weird blob of shit from another dimension
  07/11/19
link?
faggy retard (retired)
  07/11/19
What did these idiots expect
DrakeMallard
  07/11/19
lol at calling them idiots when the US is 20,000x worse.
Oh, you travel?
  07/11/19
think he might've meant the NYT given the articles they were...
korean guy named "Keith Moon"
  07/11/19
the US has always been significantly more diverse. I don't t...
Mark Ironside
  07/11/19
"They would fill vacant homes, learn Swedish, and take ...
Woah Cr friend!
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...
'"'''"''"''"
  07/11/19
lololololololol
Morbidly Obese Sex Robot
  07/11/19
naming their kids Bjorn, the whole bit
Concerned Chad Here,
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...
:D
  07/11/19
“Swedish heritage,” or “Swedish culture,&...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
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Don Kihote
  07/11/19
This is good for Swedes in some ways. The welfare state is d...
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.....,
  07/11/19
I actually agree with this. Liberals bear the seeds of their...
.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.
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...
Mark Ironside
  07/11/19
Is this immigrant shit just good-intentioned economic policy...
,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,..,.,
  07/11/19
yes these are the same people who think that africa is go...
GOY SUPERSTAR
  07/11/19
it's the fundamental problem of using GDP as the primary KPI...
Maori woman performing defiant haka
  07/11/19
What's the cr metric? Some median per capita measure I'd gue...
honk honk
  07/11/19
The issue is financial investors search for absolute growth ...
DrakeMallard
  07/11/19
...
Mark Ironside
  07/11/19
% white population
MICHAEL PUNCHLINE
  07/12/19
It’s also completely meaningless
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  07/11/19
Yes
DrakeMallard
  07/11/19
"Like, do these clowns think human capital is 100% fung...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/11/19
This is literally what they teach you on day one
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  07/11/19
cr. Labor is just an input. Like lumber or electricity or ...
ESL TM..,..;;.
  07/11/19
Let me introduce you to the poaster LathamTouchedMe
...:........;;.........,;:..........:.;....:::....
  07/11/19
Yes. The joy of modern economics
Walter
  07/11/19
Was expecting a big-butted Nordic instagram model
Buck "The Club" Paulette
  07/11/19
Me too.
Muscadine wine
  07/11/19
get off the internet
.,,,..,,..,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.
  07/11/19
lol at scandal cucks in Minneapolis being 20 years ahead of ...
.,.,,...;.;,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.
  07/11/19
"He cannot work while his asylum case is pending, so he...
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Why don't they ever claim asylum in one of the 22 countries ...
Concerned Chad Here,
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korean guy named "Keith Moon"
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"Some argue that Sweden must allow lower-wage service s...
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DrakeMallard
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Woah Cr friend!
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agreed, not to mention the massive costs associated with the...
Mark Ironside
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faggy retard (retired)
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This is why the developing word is credited for cheap labor....
TRUMP TEAM SIX
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korean guy named "Keith Moon"
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dont run + [Name] the DOJ sees u w/ [Young Name]
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Until recently, Swedes were not accustomed to hiring people ...
A Jurisprudence is Performed
  07/12/19
libs?
Dr. Cool
  07/11/19
still waiting for a link to the nordic model
Mia Khaliphate
  07/11/19
https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50edd54ae4b0731a98405...
Mark Ironside
  07/11/19
It's about fucking time
Muscadine wine
  07/11/19
perfect body. face something off
TRUMP TEAM SIX
  07/12/19
jaw is too wide
GOY
  07/12/19


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Date: July 11th, 2019 1:50 AM
Author: :D (classical education at home -- Bauer)

FILIPSTAD, Sweden — At first, local leaders were inclined to see the refugees as an opportunity. The iron ore mines had shut down. So had a factory that made machinery for the logging industry. The town had been abandoned, its population cut in half. A shot at replenishment appeared at hand.

It was the summer of 2015, and people were arriving from some of the most troubled places on earth — Syria, Somalia, Iraq. They would fill vacant homes, learn Swedish, and take jobs caring for older Swedes. They would pay taxes, helping finance the extensive social welfare programs that have made Sweden a rarity in the world, a country seemingly at peace in an age of tempestuous global capitalism.

But four years after the influx, growing numbers of native-born Swedes have come to see the refugees as a drain on public finances. Some decry an assault on “Swedish heritage,” or “Swedish culture,” or other words that mean white, Christian and familiar. Antipathy for immigrants now threatens to erode support for Sweden’s social welfare state.

“People don’t want to pay taxes to support people who don’t work,” says Urban Pettersson, 62, a member of the local council here in Filipstad, a town set in lake country west of Stockholm. “Ninety percent of the refugees don’t contribute to society. These people are going to have a lifelong dependence on social welfare. This is a huge problem.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/11/business/sweden-economy-immigration.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38513629)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:21 AM
Author: """"'''""'


Some decry an assault on “Swedish heritage,” or “Swedish culture,” or other words that mean white, Christian and familiar.

Or those words could mean, you know, Swedish.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518906)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:00 AM
Author: gibberish

Duh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38513632)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:25 AM
Author: The Rudest Troll That Ever Troubled Daylight

GC is using mass immigration to destroy the nordic welfare state paradise...only a technology deus ex machina can save us..

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38513651)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:39 PM
Author: GOY SUPERSTAR



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38515938)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:44 PM
Author: dont run + [Name] the DOJ sees u w/ [Young Name]

im not advocating for this or that but there’s at least one other thing that could in theory “save” “us”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38515981)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:23 AM
Author: TRUMP TEAM SIX (Trump Team 6)

im sure we could come up with some sort of "solution" if we just think

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518919)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:31 AM
Author: Would $1,000 change your mind



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518956)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:09 AM
Author: weird blob of shit from another dimension (that has telepathic powers)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38513769)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:27 AM
Author: AZNgirl ordering all NOWAGS back to their country

birdshits deserve this, i welcome a euro muslim and nig land

lol birdshits fk u

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38513782)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:30 PM
Author: JFC

did you even read the posted excerpt? this shit is threatening your precious scandinavian welfare state

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38517996)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:29 AM
Author: ~~(>' ' )>

Somali immigrant telling Swedes they didn't build that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38513785)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:29 PM
Author: weird blob of shit from another dimension (that has telepathic powers)

redditors are fucking FURIOUS about this:

https://www.reddit.com/submit?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2019%2F07%2F11%2Fbusiness%2Fsweden-economy-immigration.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38515872)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 10:26 PM
Author: faggy retard (retired) ()

link?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518337)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:32 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (Let's get dangerous)

What did these idiots expect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38515901)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:41 PM
Author: Oh, you travel?

lol at calling them idiots when the US is 20,000x worse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38515954)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:07 PM
Author: korean guy named "Keith Moon"

think he might've meant the NYT given the articles they were writing 5 years ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516111)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:39 PM
Author: Mark Ironside

the US has always been significantly more diverse. I don't think there was ever a point when the US was more than 85% European whites

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516280)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:41 PM
Author: Woah Cr friend!

"They would fill vacant homes, learn Swedish, and take jobs caring for older Swedes."

Lmfao at these suicidally idealistic cucks

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38515961)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:18 PM
Author: '"'''"''"''"




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516152)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:27 PM
Author: Morbidly Obese Sex Robot

lololololololol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38517979)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:25 AM
Author: Concerned Chad Here,

naming their kids Bjorn, the whole bit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518931)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 2:54 PM
Author: :D (classical education at home -- Bauer)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516036)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:22 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed (Dictated But Not Read)

“Swedish heritage,” or “Swedish culture,” or other words that mean white, Christian and familiar

Notice how the NYT just assumes that white, Christian, and familiar are bad words and everyone will recognize that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516170)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:21 PM
Author: Don Kihote



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38517937)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:26 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,..,.,.,.....,


This is good for Swedes in some ways. The welfare state is dysgenic even for Nordics, and it saps dynamism and energy. Perhaps Sven will awaken once more because of immigration, rather than slowly letting IQs drop and eating fika in their GC paradise.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516202)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:48 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. (Clinton lost 54 house/8 senate seats; Obama 63/6)

I actually agree with this. Liberals bear the seeds of their own demise. When resources grow limited no one will want to share.

GC is fine with it either way. Either they steal from the government or they will take money from the workers directly .

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516351)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 10:26 PM
Author: Mark Ironside



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518338)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:26 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,,.,.,.,.,..,.,


Is this immigrant shit just good-intentioned economic policy created by egghead economists who don't interact with the hoi polloi on a everyday basis??? Like, do these clowns think human capital is 100% fungible, and that there's nothing to common history, language, culture, etc?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516204)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:26 PM
Author: GOY SUPERSTAR

yes

these are the same people who think that africa is going to unironically become an economic powerhouse

they are utterly clueless and worthless eloi who exist in entirely alternate realities

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516208)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:28 PM
Author: Maori woman performing defiant haka

it's the fundamental problem of using GDP as the primary KPI. it is fueled by population growth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516216)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:33 PM
Author: honk honk

What's the cr metric? Some median per capita measure I'd guess

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516243)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:40 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (Let's get dangerous)

The issue is financial investors search for absolute growth and thus companies are valued on such measures

Per capita, Japan is doing great. Per capita GDP is growing well etc.

But economists/financial types are screaming for more immigration to boost overall GDP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516292)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:41 PM
Author: Mark Ironside



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516308)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:32 AM
Author: MICHAEL PUNCHLINE

% white population

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518963)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:44 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed (Dictated But Not Read)

It’s also completely meaningless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516324)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:30 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (Let's get dangerous)

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516229)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:46 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

"Like, do these clowns think human capital is 100% fungible, and that there's nothing to common history, language, culture, etc"

Idk if you've ever taken an econ class but this is absolutely how they see it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516337)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:52 PM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed (Dictated But Not Read)

This is literally what they teach you on day one

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516376)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:10 PM
Author: ESL TM..,..;;. (🦈)

cr. Labor is just an input. Like lumber or electricity or coal.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516438)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 4:12 PM
Author: ...:........;;.........,;:..........:.;....:::....


Let me introduce you to the poaster LathamTouchedMe

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516447)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:25 PM
Author: Walter

Yes. The joy of modern economics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38517969)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:28 PM
Author: Buck "The Club" Paulette

Was expecting a big-butted Nordic instagram model

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516221)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:40 PM
Author: Muscadine wine

Me too.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516300)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 3:45 PM
Author: .,,,..,,..,.,.,:,:,,...,::,...,:,...:..,:.::,.


get off the internet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38516333)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:19 PM
Author: .,.,,...;.;,.,.,:,,:,...,:;:,...,:,.,.:..:.,:.::,.


lol at scandal cucks in Minneapolis being 20 years ahead of the vaterland

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38517926)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:23 PM
Author: ..............;...................


"He cannot work while his asylum case is pending, so he goes into Horby six days a week to study Swedish. He walks 15 minutes up a dirt road to the highway, even in subzero temperatures, and then waits for a bus that takes 40 minutes. One bus driver refuses to pick him up. Swedes holler at him from passing cars, telling him to go home."

--Think about the fact that this is the PRO of this article. This guy has to work that hard just to more or less gain the skillset of a Swedish 6 year old. How is that sustainable?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38517957)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:31 AM
Author: Concerned Chad Here,

Why don't they ever claim asylum in one of the 22 countries where Arabic is the official language? Or one of the 49 countries where Islam is the majority religion? I mean I know the answer, but how stupidly inefficient it is to bring someone halfway across the world to a deeply foreign place where they don't understand the language, customs, the climate isn't pleasant to them, they can't contribute to the post-industrial economy...

If you actually want to help these people, wouldn't it ever cross your mind that they would have a better life in one of those aforementioned countries where they are familiar with the language and customs and can probably have a good life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518955)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 6:28 AM
Author: korean guy named "Keith Moon"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38519421)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:25 PM
Author: ..............;...................


"Some argue that Sweden must allow lower-wage service sector jobs to emerge, enabling immigrants to secure a hold in the economy by cleaning homes or taking care of children — ideally with a government subsidy.

But unions are hostile, seeing this as a dangerous precedent that could expose Sweden to the forces of downward mobility at work in other countries. Until recently, Swedes were not accustomed to hiring people for menial work, typically preferring to clean their own homes."

This is what America never seems to understand. Cheap labor is not cheap. The $8/hour landscaper doesn't just cost $8/hour, you have to school his entire fmaily, subsidize rent, pay for his family's medical care, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38517966)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:34 PM
Author: DrakeMallard (Let's get dangerous)



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518022)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 10:09 PM
Author: Woah Cr friend!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518217)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 10:24 PM
Author: Mark Ironside

agreed, not to mention the massive costs associated with the white middle class and UMC wanting to live in good neighborhoods and not associate with dregs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518313)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 10:25 PM
Author: faggy retard (retired) ()



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518328)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:26 AM
Author: TRUMP TEAM SIX (Trump Team 6)

This is why the developing word is credited for cheap labor. That person you pay $2/hr you only pay $2/hr cuz they are not getting SHIT in govt benefits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518935)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 6:29 AM
Author: korean guy named "Keith Moon"



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38519423)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 8:05 AM
Author: dont run + [Name] the DOJ sees u w/ [Young Name]



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38519607)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 10:20 AM
Author: A Jurisprudence is Performed (Dictated But Not Read)

Until recently, Swedes were not accustomed to hiring people for menial work, typically preferring to clean their own homes."

IGC has poured a lot of effort into convincing Americans that they’re completely helpless and need to hire people to do all sorts of basic things for them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38520167)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 9:29 PM
Author: Dr. Cool

libs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38517988)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 10:13 PM
Author: Mia Khaliphate

still waiting for a link to the nordic model



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518241)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 10:25 PM
Author: Mark Ironside

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/50edd54ae4b0731a984052a4/5673e709d82d5e366e7e2187/5673e720d82d5e366e7e21f2/1450436385623/IMG_0019.JPG?format=2500w

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518327)



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Date: July 11th, 2019 10:57 PM
Author: Muscadine wine

It's about fucking time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518479)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:28 AM
Author: TRUMP TEAM SIX (Trump Team 6)

perfect body. face something off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518948)



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Date: July 12th, 2019 12:31 AM
Author: GOY

jaw is too wide

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4300365&forum_id=2#38518957)