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Leaving McKinsey for v50?
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Date: September 20th, 2019 8:47 AM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn did McK regional office straight out of law school after striking out at OCI (below median at T14, prestige UG tho)
3 years in, i hate it. i love the analysis part but don't think i'm really cut out for consulting because i hate people
somehow managed an offer from an international office of a "large". v50. i think i'd rather be a copy-paste monkey than a powerpoint monkey. and having an office and minimizing client interaction helps too.
is biglaw really as bad as you guys make it out to be? i mean MBB is pretty soulsucking too. am i making the worst mistake of my life? |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 8:48 AM Author: Citrine electric elastic band clown what's McKinsey? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861159) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:23 PM Author: adventurous aquamarine national security agency lodge I think it's a sex institute. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861969) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:25 AM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861251) |
Date: September 20th, 2019 8:50 AM Author: glittery karate how did you manage a biglaw offer after doing some bullshit business consulting job?
whether biglaw will be terrible depends heavily on the firm and what city you are in. NYC is generally soul-crushing. I'm a partner at a v60ish firm in DC, and it really isn't that bad (and wasn't terrible when I was an associate).
I have no idea how people are at mckinsey, but biglaw in general has a fair share of mentally ill neurotic freaks. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:01 AM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn non-US/EU office, ~30 people in the office, few with both US JD and native language ability. didn't even ask for a transcript.
i think all striver jobs have a fair share of assholes and freaks, but i'm sure i look like a freak to one of them. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:02 AM Author: glittery karate can I suck your cock (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861195) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:03 AM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn sure, if you'll give me a job at your chill firm in dc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861198) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:06 AM Author: glittery karate DONE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861204) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:04 AM Author: Splenetic field wrinkle Do not do this.
The exit ops to companies from McK are 100x better than the legal exit ops from a random V50. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:07 AM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn consulting work sounds like it's more interesting than biglaw but i'd probably rather be an inhouse lawyer than some middle management with P&L responsibility (or other performance targets to hit) and zero job security
or does inhouse suck too? |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:20 AM Author: Splenetic field wrinkle Expensive in house legal departments are a cost center that get gutted during recession layoffs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861232) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:32 AM Author: low-t chapel This is becoming less axiomatic/more Harrison Barnes self-interested MFE bullshit as legal ops and true large scale contracts analytics come on board. At megacorps legal digitization/modernization done correctly inserts legal as a more prominent stakeholder in a bunch of strategy discussions that boomer GMs and Finance used to dominate and any legal risks were made by “gut feeling” and a business guy really wanting the deal was always the ultimate decision maker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861270) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:52 AM Author: talented indigo mad cow disease what are examples of large scale contracts analytics in development? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861341) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:10 PM Author: low-t chapel None of it is “productized” in any meaningful way so today the process involves basically a huge IT outsourcing/managed services project to build a bunch of custom features into any given relatively modern database software. But the same thing could be done by brute force with LPO and xls documents. The driver is not the ease of adoption and use of the product since the biggest constraint today is usually the cost of migrating contracts to a new platform and or digitizing and or disruption of existing custom shit built on top of older, shittier software that needs to be ditched. Instead it’s other support functions like finance controllers, tax, accounting etc. that want to query larger datasets and pair the outputs with other reports/analytics they already have. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861909) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:48 AM Author: useless magical foreskin cuckold inhouse isn't the safety net everyone thinks it is. Depending on salary, I'd go Consulting > Inhouse > biglaw ... but the money is the big factor. A lot of inhousemos are terribly paid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861325) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:12 PM Author: low-t chapel This is more true in entertainment than other fields but definitely always true that taking low comp in an in-house job is basically fucking yourself permanently with that employer and/or signing up to find a new job that pays better ASAP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861923) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:54 PM Author: fuchsia zombie-like theatre I dont understand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862147) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:25 PM Author: useless magical foreskin cuckold What's your question. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862336) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:52 PM Author: fuchsia zombie-like theatre Why is it fucking you "with that employer"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862482) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 5:20 PM Author: low-t chapel This is more of a megacorp issue, but at megacorps unless you're god's gift to that legal department and the GC takes a specific interest in you and your comp, you will get 2% cost of living raises and nothing more unless you threaten to leave, at which point you're a flight risk and not management material/committed long term. There are exceptions, but as a general rule when you start low relative to what you could have gotten/what your peers earn you just stay low. I.e. In-house it's not viewed as a problem that you have one employee that's a star and is paid at the bottom of their band and you have another that's mediocre and is paid 10 or even 20% more. It's not like biglaw where there are hours to ground the discussion. The answer from HR and management will be that the star knew the bargain when they accepted their offer and HR is not going to expend the effort to go outside the parameters that the HR tool sets for raises just because a hire worked out well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38863449) |
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Date: September 21st, 2019 6:54 AM Author: useless magical foreskin cuckold megacorp poast is correct. Also, it's the exception and not the rule to get promoted for most megacorps. I've seen a lot of guys who are set for the next level and then the management team brings in someone from outside instead of promoting from within. In my area, you almost exclusively have to jump ship every 2 years if you want more money or a title bump. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38865434) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:25 PM Author: useless magical foreskin cuckold truth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862332) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:07 AM Author: glittery karate this is probably good advice. being in some satellite office of a v50 probably means it's next to impossible to make partner, which means your best case scenario is counsel, and that isn't guaranteed by any means. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861208) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:29 AM Author: talented indigo mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861265) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:23 AM Author: Awkward Cumskin Stage if u're okay with shitty exit ops from biglaw, this isn't actually a bad move
i had a strict closed-door policy at biglaw |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:23 AM Author: thriller adulterous pit halford Just left MBB: my advice is to go to a corporate strat gig or other manager role. Lots of great pay available for much chiller jobs.
You also have the option of a chill 40h/week 125k if you leave to go to shitconsulting like Slalom. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:27 AM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn how ru liking the corporate gig? i feel comfortable grinding, but the performance pressure might get to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861258) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:34 AM Author: thriller adulterous pit halford Corporate life is great because since you are much smarter/harder worker than most other employees, you can coast and do ok, or keep grinding and rise quickly.
I'm more of the coasting type, it's 180. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:04 PM Author: Bespoke Diverse Market Weed Whacker How much do these corp strategy gigs pay after someone does like 4-5 years of consulting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862188) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 4:43 PM Author: thriller adulterous pit halford Heavily depends on industry, but you can generally assume something like a 10% bump.
I left as a consultant making 170k + 25k bonus, got an offer for 175k plus like 40-50k per year in additional comp |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:29 AM Author: low-t chapel Biglaw is not a bar to this outcome and could help you come in at a higher level in certain roles, but this is credited and the only real reason to do biglaw is to make partner. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861264) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:26 AM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn How about second tier IB? (like boa, deutsche, ubs, etc.) hours are longer but less pressure-filled than McK, it looks like.
i can get a handshake interview at any time, but have not yet elected to pursue it. but at this point i feel like i'll take anything |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:28 AM Author: thriller adulterous pit halford IB sucks, one of my favorite things about consulting is protected weekends. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861262) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:28 AM Author: low-t chapel I would consider it, but tread carefully. Recession within 12-24 months (I.e. better than 50% chance) = you’re fucked. Also highly dependent on whether you’re single and a MGTOW/incel/never marry bro (in which case v50 all the way bill 2500+ and be a sociopath partner) v a married/marriage and kids track bro (closer call). But this background would be attractive for in-house especially in your industry specialization at McKinsey once you’ve done 2-3 years in biglaw and you could also do a number of corporate business roles and/or Corp dev too, especially if you did some decent M&A at a firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861261) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:43 AM Author: sadistic racy property He doesn't need to do biglaw to be competitive for "corp dev". Tons of consultants go directly into these roles every year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861306) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:14 PM Author: low-t chapel Nigga I know. I’m saying those options don’t go away and can be slightly improved if he does the right type of work in biglaw. But yes as many others itt have said he could probably do better going in-house as a banker/finance type v biglaw if his real long term goal is a decently paid wage cuck existence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861932) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:28 PM Author: bearded orange forum doctorate You have no control over the type of work you do in biglaw and particularly in a satellite intl office, the work will be a lot less relevant for in house and OP will be pulling all nighters on some debt offering for vodaphone. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861999) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:41 PM Author: low-t chapel He’d be joining as a 2nd or 3rd year so he should be able to tell if they want him to do M&A, cap markets or whatever else. But whatever you are right generally that basically everyone should tell biglaw to go fuck itself and do chill fratty in-house if they have the option. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862418) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 2:38 PM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn yep, it'll be almost entirely m&a, whatever that means. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862714) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:48 AM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn you suppose V50 sat office is enough preftige to add to McK resume?
tbh i do have a chip on the shoulder for striking out on biglaw or even midlaw. McK was a last last resort, didn't even know what a case interview was when I walked into first round interview |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:11 PM Author: bearded orange forum doctorate V50 non-US adds nothing to your resume.
This is like going to Mayer brown London when you’ve already got cravath on your resume. Makes no sense at all. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:18 PM Author: low-t chapel Makes sense if he wants to be a partner and he’s willing to move to whatever office they ask him to go to, hq or otherwise, in order to ultimately make it. If he’s willing to slum it with a chill 10-3 750k in-house role like some people then you’re right that there’s no real reason to go to a firm unless he’s actually trying to end up chasing commas as opposed to pumping out slides. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861949) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:22 PM Author: bearded orange forum doctorate OP struck out at OCI in strong economy and admits he hates people and wants to hole up in an office. He’s never making partner or bringing in any business. His clear trajectory is in house in some capacity either now from consulting or in another 3-5 years. Delaying it makes no sense. OP just has some weird obsession with biglaw due to striking out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861964) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:26 PM Author: low-t chapel I mean arguing for the "go to biglaw--you could make partner!" option is obviously not a high percentage play. But just because someone has a shitty personality for consulting doesn't mean they will never succeed at biglaw. Consultants, by their nature, are bullshitters who half understand things. There are tons of biglaw partners who are horrifically boring at parties and in every other respect, but they are very precise and technical and that's how they earned their keep. I.e. biglaw is a much better fit for an autist than consulting.
Also striking out at OCI from lower T14 = bad grades, but post-3 years of McKinsey no one will care anymore. And lol if you're arguing law school grades are an accurate predictor of success in biglaw. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:48 PM Author: bearded orange forum doctorate No I’m actually arguing the opposite, that his personality got him shut out at OCI and not grades, which is a bad sign for success in biglaw long term on partner track.
Aspie, technical equity service partners are a thing of the past. There are too many people who can do the work and at best you end up counsel or more stressful income partner grinding it out at 2300-2400 hours a year with no end in sight. That’s really no way to live. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 2:19 PM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn tbh i can fake personality pretty well. i was well liked at oci until they saw my transcript, and am well liked in my current job, both by coworkers and clients.
it's just really fucking tiring to fake it 70 hours a week, when you're constantly sitting next to clients and coworkers looking over your shoulder.
the law play is purely because i am under the impression that in-house counsel is a chiller gig than corporate where performance is measured in hard numbers. in neither case would i be looking to make partner of any sorts.
and yes, i'd rather be chasing commas than churning out powerpoints |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 7:03 PM Author: bearded orange forum doctorate That’s weird due to grades since I thought you have to submit transcript before they even give you a screener but maybe they do it differently at your school.
It’ll be way easier for you to get corporate gig from mck than random v50. biglaw to in house is honestly a function of what work you end up doing (often irrelevant to in house) and connections, neither of which you have any control over. If you were going into v50 to do tech transactions or something, it’d be different. Random corporate associate is fucked. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 8:02 PM Author: Citrine electric elastic band clown me nuterra ching chong chang chung (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38864068) |
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Date: September 21st, 2019 7:22 PM Author: greedy comical range you don't need to be a charismatic chad to bring in business or make partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38867031) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:42 AM Author: sadistic racy property After 3 years you should be an EM and have decent exit ops for in-house corp strategy groups. Much better lifestyle and if you are a good performer you can move into operations or a PnL role.
Law just sucks.
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Date: September 20th, 2019 9:59 AM Author: Mustard son of senegal former mbb here. lasted a little longer than you and went to work for a client. best decision ever. now sitting in c-suite and lifestyle is great. tbf looking back, mbb gave me the tools and exposure necessary to be successful in my current role. i would never recommend a lifelong consulting career to anyone but a short stint of four to five years rounds you out professionally. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861361) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 10:11 AM Author: glittery karate are you a gook? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861430) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 10:13 AM Author: Mustard son of senegal I can be if you're into that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861437) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:19 PM Author: Insanely creepy razzmatazz crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861954) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:26 PM Author: talented indigo mad cow disease (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862344) |
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Date: September 21st, 2019 12:08 AM Author: Aqua Lascivious Jewess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38864869) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 10:22 AM Author: Vermilion cracking spot Why the fuck would you go to biglaw?
With consulting experience you can do management at top companies. Find some tech company that has tons of free perks and unlimited wfh/vacation. |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:27 PM Author: adventurous aquamarine national security agency lodge this is tcr here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861987) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 7:54 PM Author: Insanely creepy razzmatazz crackhouse >Find some tech company that has tons of free perks and unlimited wfh/vacation.
Just do find a unicorn bro |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 10:50 AM Author: Ebony Heaven Rigpig op should definitely get a corporate strategy or similar gig at an F500 or tech co
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:00 PM Author: bearded orange forum doctorate No brainer, do not do biglaw. It’ll be 3-4 years of more misery before you’re eligible for in house jobs and it won’t be easy to get one if you don’t have connections which you won’t get being in a non-US office. So you can go to J&J or whatever in a better role now versus in 3-4 years as some shitty counsel gig that pays $150k. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861862) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:20 PM Author: low-t chapel Lol J&J might be a bad idea since they have a huge asbestos problem and also this:
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/08/26/754481268/judge-in-opioid-trial-rules-johnson-johnson-must-pay-oklahoma-572-million |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:25 PM Author: bearded orange forum doctorate These rulings all get appealed and reduced. They’re also in hot water for the baby powder causing cervical cancer bs.
Precisely why they might be hiring more lawyers and strategy people!!! |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 1:14 PM Author: Vermilion cracking spot What a God awful role. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38862245) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 12:25 PM Author: buff affirmative action Flame. No one is in this situation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38861976) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 2:26 PM Author: bat shit crazy crusty den azn i don't know anyone else in this situation either, which is why i turn to xoxo for help
you'd be surprised to know MBB is not that hard to get out of LS if you carry yourself well. I bombed my cases and still got 2 offers. they're not really looking for rocket scientists at the post-MBA/post-JD level, just non-aspies who smile well and convince clients that your bullshit is better than decades of otj experience |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 5:26 PM Author: Vermilion cracking spot Lol flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38863474) |
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Date: September 20th, 2019 5:41 PM Author: buff affirmative action No. They suck dick for resume lines. Any woman with a pulse can get any job she wants out of college but no fucking way out of ls. This places don't hire men out of ls nor should they. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4347430&forum_id=2#38863529) |
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