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How the fuck does the human body even work?
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:31 PM Author: Talking Infuriating Step-uncle's House This entire sac of meat is like self-healing and relies on all these chemical reactions and is so complex, how in god's name does thing thing even actually work? How are we all not just like, dead? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204569) |
Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:31 PM Author: Green circlehead immigrant (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204573) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:33 PM Author: burgundy hairless filthpig not only that, through some wizadry involving chemicals, etc it is able to actually see colors and shapes, and hear and discern sound waves (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204580) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:34 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Lma yeah, it’s the “chemicals” (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204588) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:47 PM Author: nighttime cumskin (Guy who thinks Jeebus built everything in 6 days and then took a siesta) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204658) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:53 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set Agreed, the mind probably runs on Jesus magic, just like how all other strange phenomena turned out to work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204692) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:57 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon It’s not scientifically solvable in principle as you cannot test for the existence of consciousness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204712) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:59 PM Author: Talking Infuriating Step-uncle's House It does seem to 'reside' in the head, specifically the brain, yes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204721) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:03 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon I get feels in my heart too but I’ll grant for sake of argument of course
If you read into free energy theories it’s certainly a compelling functionalist account of mind but of course functionalism is empirically inadequate to describe the existence of QUALIA |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:10 PM Author: Talking Infuriating Step-uncle's House Oh you're hung up on qualia? Hold on, let me check my brain at the door and revert back to college freshmen level scholarship to get into this with you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204776) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:11 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon There is nothing more asinine than “illusionism” in the face of the Mary argument. It’s just blind folly for its own sake at that point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204781) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:05 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set Whether scientists are capable of figuring it out is a separate issue from whether it's natural or magical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204743) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:06 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon What you’re telling me is you know it’s natural, but you have no proof? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204748) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:07 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set I suspect it's natural because everything else has turned out to be natural so far. I don't claim to know it's natural.
I read your "Lma yeah, it’s the “chemicals”" as you saying you know it's magical, even though you have no proof. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:10 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon The burden is on you to show it’s not magic. In the absence of proof that it’s naturalistic you’ll at least have to start to conjecture about how two phenomena as radically different in kind as mind and matter could begin to interact in a strictly materialistic way. Minimally you need some conversation factor, hence the appeal of neutral monism which regresses into mystery religion if you have any ethical sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204778) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:14 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set Lol at this absurd question-begging
Why would I grant the premise that "mind and matter" are two phenomena radically different in kind? That's the whole question at issue
"which regresses into mystery religion if you have any ethical sense"
So you're just trolling, hey |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:17 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Not sure how to respond. I already gave you the neutral monism out. If you’re a physicalist I feel bad for you son. I got 99 problems and functionalism ain’t one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204813) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:20 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set You could respond by telling me why magic is a compelling explanation for consciousness beyond just "I feel bad for you son" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204828) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:23 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon I already did. The incommensurability of mind and matter all but demands a mysterious neutral 3rd state that is the source of them both. There’s no reason to prioritize either one. Neutral 3rd state is a mysterious monism. Same monism that explains the hypostatic union of god and man in Christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204841) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:25 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set How are they incommensurable? And why would Christianity have to do with this rather than any one of hundreds of other ancient belief systems? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204859) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:28 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Oh man. They are incommensurable because a thing with properties of extension (weight and extension) cannot interact with a thing with non-extensional properties (except through time I guess).
I was just giving an example of the theoretical utility of neutral monism. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:30 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set How do you know they can't interact?
I could just as well say "magic is incommensurable with the human brain because physical things cannot interact with magical things or with mysterious quasi-magical "third states"" |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:38 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Mind and matter are defined as to not have any common properties. That’s the nature of the set up. The analytic response is that there must be a third thing. Certainly we could discover a shared property of each and define them to include that link property, but the ontology is the same, namely that physical stuff doesn’t interact with mental stuff without a link property. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204962) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:49 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set And now you're back to your question-begging. We know the mind is magical because it's DEFINED as not being matter! Link to this "definition"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205040) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:55 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Point to the image of the sword I have in my mind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205069) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:58 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set Oh, okay, this sounds like proof of magic all right. QED! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205083) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:59 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Non responsive (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205087) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:00 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set You first need to be responsive to my request for a link to a definition of mind as magical (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205092) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:17 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon I’ll meet you halfway. Point to the neurons that encode a sword in my brain. Now deduce the exact shape of the sword image in my mind from the neural pattern.
Do this an infinite number of times, refining your theory of the neural encoding of every possible mental image from reports from subjects of their mental states.
Even carrying out this elaborate experiment, it would be impossible to come up with a precise mapping of neurons to mental images, because the only means of accessing someone’s mental state is through their verbal reports of those states, which lack the fidelity and granularity you would need.
Can you think of any means of accessing someone else’s mental state if not through verbal reports? |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:30 PM Author: Talking Infuriating Step-uncle's House I have never seen a discussion this dumb on XO. I'm embarrassed - for you, and for all of us. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205245) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:31 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Look at my fucking RANGE
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4392105&mc=65&forum_id=2 |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:30 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set So we lack the tools to come up with a precise mapping. So what? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205246) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:33 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon So you agree that mental images are something different than their neural correlates (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205268) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:35 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set No, I don't. How the fuck would that follow from anything I've posted? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205276) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:36 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Because you just said we couldnt get a “precise mapping”. If they were the same thing why would you need a map? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205286) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:43 PM Author: Talking Infuriating Step-uncle's House https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/01/artificial-intelligence-turns-brain-activity-speech (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205335) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:44 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Get it to draw what love feels like and well talk (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205341) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:45 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set Cool sophistry bro
I was using "mapping" loosely, not to imply that they were different things |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:48 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon If you truly believed what you say you do then you would know that the map would be the identify, which is trivial and 100% precise. Again, your suggestion that there is an “imprecise map” demonstrates your underlying belief that mind and matter are 2 distinct things. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205360) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:51 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set All I was saying was that it's "imprecise" in the sense that verbal reports of mental states are difficult to interpret accurately and we don't have the technology to carry out your experiment. Lol at your amateur psychologizing about how this reveals that I subconsciously believe in magic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205380) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:54 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Qualia are magic
The world is magic
Supernatural shit happens all the time
God intervenes in history and in your life on the regular
Come to Chris
He is the propitiation of your sins and makes you righteous in front of your father
You can be born again
Stop living in sin |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:56 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set Which Chris are we talking here? Benzo or Spaceporn? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205405) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:56 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon spaceporn obviously (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205407) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:57 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set 🤡 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205416) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:58 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Miss that guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205418) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:59 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set #MeToo
also, pls respond:
http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393686&mc=9&forum_id=2#39205329 |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:11 PM Author: Talking Infuriating Step-uncle's House There is far more evidence of things being natural.
Most things people thought were supernatural, turned out to have natural origins.
AKA, the sun is not 'god', but a burning ball of fire, etc. |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:12 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Continuing the above, that your mind will just “turn out” to be your brain is an utterly nonsensical category mistake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204788) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:34 PM Author: Talking Infuriating Step-uncle's House Like it literally makes zero sense how this organic blob does what it does. Zero sense. IDC if we explain how the "organs" "work", it's still confounding. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204591) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:40 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon You guys figured this one out (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204617) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:34 PM Author: free-loading theater stage fortuitous meteor chemistry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204586) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:37 PM Author: aromatic confused bbw roommate performed over and over (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204598) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:40 PM Author: Talking Infuriating Step-uncle's House 24/7 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204622) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:58 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon So many chemistries and rna’s (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204713) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:41 PM Author: Shimmering galvanic temple a chemistry was performed (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204627) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:44 PM Author: Spruce Resort Coffee Pot miracle and mystery of life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204637) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 7:58 PM Author: Sepia Plaza wind and water (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204714) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:22 PM Author: blue dysfunction striped hyena don't worry about it, bud. Science has everything figured out, it's all really simple stuff. Here, read this Dawkins book and take up atheism - it's for smart people like you! You're smart and pro-science, aren't you? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204837) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:23 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set (MAF christard) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204844) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:24 PM Author: blue dysfunction striped hyena (citizen of Rationalia) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204852) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:26 PM Author: Vibrant crystalline set Jesus loves you, this you know For the Bible tells you so |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:23 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon I do actually love science, can you tell me more? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204849) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 8:25 PM Author: Dark stag film messiness Pretty sure it’s all an illusion. We’re living in a next-level video game (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39204862) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:21 PM Author: irradiated painfully honest senate Trillions of tiny motors: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXpzp4RDGJI (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205183) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:25 PM Author: Comical community account quadroon Jesus
https://youtu.be/EhKSRIvDFI0 |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:27 PM Author: irradiated painfully honest senate ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205225) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 9:42 PM Author: titillating cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205331) |
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Date: December 2nd, 2019 10:03 PM Author: geriatric newt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39205439) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2019 10:27 AM Author: Coiffed mediation nursing home Literally billions of organisms live inside me, without which I would die and which play a crucial role in whether or not I am happy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39207264) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2019 10:28 AM Author: Comical community account quadroon Libs literally blaming microbes for their unhappiness now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39207269) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2019 11:55 AM Author: Coiffed mediation nursing home Your gut biome controls serotonin. Sorry! -Science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39207814) |
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Date: December 3rd, 2019 11:56 AM Author: Comical community account quadroon Fucking love that guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39207821) |
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Date: December 7th, 2019 12:51 PM Author: Coiffed mediation nursing home pumo free thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39228868) |
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Date: December 7th, 2019 2:17 PM Author: laughsome pisswyrm masturbator there are 7 shakras (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4393583&forum_id=2#39229141) |