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Date: December 13th, 2019 2:30 PM Author: self-centered temple I am highly skeptical of the Obstruction of Congress charge, and skeptical, but potentially persuadable, on the Abuse of Power charge.
Obstruction: They subpoenaed White House personnel and the White House objected/refused, right? Normally you go to court at that point. Is the idea that the Executive Branch doesn't even have a right to object?
Abuse of Power: The argument, as I understand it, is that Trump abused his office/power by using such power to try to obtain a personal political benefit (i.e., used his power to try to get Ukraine to investigate his political rival, in order to help Trump politically).
Here's my problem with that, even if you assume that's exactly what he did, there are all sorts of things Presidents regularly do in their official capacities that also help them politically. A President may try to get a trade deal done by a certain date, or secure some military objective, so that he can campaign on that success. Why/when is "it would benefit him politically" enough to make it corruption or abuse of power?
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Date: December 13th, 2019 2:59 PM Author: soul-stirring liquid oxygen Obstruction involved documents, blocking every exec branch witness (meaning those that did testify had to consult lawyers/risk the WH coming after them directly with exec privilege claims). TBF, this has been going on for decades and got much worse under W and stayed bad/slightly worse in some respects with Obama. This aspect of exec privilege needs to be clarified and reigned in, and previous WHs have strategically dodged court fights to avoid bad rulings. A better formulation of your rejection of the Obstruction article is that a Congress that is trying to stop this larger development and restore the "norm" should prioritize that process over impeachment. That would work if Trump hadn't, in his usual Trump way, gone 100% HAM on this and taken it to the nth degree. But he will now force the bad rulings anyway, which are already coming. And so the idea that Congress can't act to punish the behavior even when a POTUS escalates and goes way beyond what Nixon or Cheney ever dreamed of doing bc a court hasn't ruled is silly. Impeachment isn't a judicially dependent process, and the specific questions of exec privilege that might be real/ripe notwithstanding, it's obviously bullshit to bar a witness from testifying in any way just because some portion of the testimony might implicate the privilege if witness fucks up and answers when he shouldn't. That's not a rational position and no one is seriously defending it.
Re abuse of power, it's very simple. Just assume that POTUS Biden is in office, but GOP keeps Senate majority, and so Biden decides there's a political advantage in pressing Chinese officials to give him dirt on Cocaine Mitch and his wife. And it's China so there's going to be some level of CCP palm greasing that can be uncovered if you dig into it enough. So Biden sets up an alternative channel via his personal lawyer (let's say David Boies) to pester the Chinese to go investigate Elaine Chao and Cocaine Mitch in order to dig up dirt and forces the Chinese to announce the investigation and takes whatever official action (let's say sanctions Huawei even more and cuts off certain debt payments via OMB) to show them he's serious. Meanwhile Boies is on MSNBC every night talking about how Cocaine Mitch and Elaine Chao are corrupt as fuck and when he's not on MSNBC he's making random calls to OMB to tell them what to do with taxpayer dollars. I don't want POTUS Biden to be able to do that, do you? |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:31 PM Author: self-centered temple "goes way beyond" and "escalates" is not really a coherent argument for obstruction in my view. If you send a subpoena, and the person objects, you go to court and get an order for them to produce. If they don't comply, then the are held in contempt. I don't see how objecting, even if the grounds turn out to be unsupported, is grounds for contempt of Congress.
Re abuse of power, how does changing the players around make your point? The question is when does the potential personal benefit to the President make something an abuse of power? If there is no conceivable benefit to the national interest, then I think it's corruption/abuse of power. But I think it's easy to see a potential national interest in investigating a U.S. official's use of power to influence a foreign government for personal benefit (indeed, THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF THIS IMPEACHMENT).
So how do we determine whether influencing China/Ukraine to investigate McConnell/Biden is corruption or an abuse of power? |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 10:11 PM Author: Plum sanctuary water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262939) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:24 PM Author: vivacious site gaping "Here's my problem with that, even if you assume that's exactly what he did, there are all sorts of things Presidents regularly do in their official capacities that also help them politically. A President may try to get a trade deal done by a certain date, or secure some military objective, so that he can campaign on that success. Why/when is "it would benefit him politically" enough to make it corruption or abuse of power?"
Because Trump sought a purely personal benefit rather than a benefit to the country as a whole. It depends on his intent. |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:25 PM Author: claret excitant nowag How is investigating the previous administration's corruption not a benefit to the country as a whole? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262759) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:30 PM Author: Supple useless selfie yeah this is my issue. there is clearly a plausible benefit to the country in investigating corruption. it just comes down to whether you believe trump is sincere or not i guess? that seems too much of a stretch to hang impeachment on to me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262780) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:38 PM Author: vivacious site gaping Whether it is plausible doesn't matter or not. What will the open minded Senators believe?
How often do you think Trump makes these kinds of calls about supposedly corrupt no name politicians? |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:44 PM Author: Supple useless selfie The Senators are a foregone conclusion, he's not being removed.
The second question I don't think is relevant. Biden isn't a no name politician, and the question isn't whether this is ordinary course for Trump, it's whether trying to pursue claims of corruption is a valid use of his power in foreign policy discussions. To me, the answer is obviously yes. Looking at it more broadly, I think every president likely tries to extract something of value in foreign policy discussions, but what is the topic of discussion has to be specific to what that country can bring to the table |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:48 PM Author: vivacious site gaping The second question is just relevant to his corrupt intent.
I just hope enough senators are fair jurors. A failed impeachment because of a corrupt Senate would be the end of the rule of law. |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:54 PM Author: passionate mood ladyboy LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262859) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 10:13 PM Author: Plum sanctuary water buffalo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262950) |
Date: December 13th, 2019 2:54 PM Author: self-centered temple Anybody? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39260939) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 2:56 PM Author: Charismatic bearded forum cuckold Trump abused his power by forcing Ukraine to investigate a political opponent. It's as simple as that Trumpkin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39260957) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:31 PM Author: self-centered temple No, it's not, and I can't tell if you are schtick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261139) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:46 PM Author: Charismatic bearded forum cuckold How is it not abuse of power? Trump is personally benefiting from Ukraine digging up dirt on his political opponent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261194) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:52 PM Author: self-centered temple Did you read my OP? Try that first.
Or, alternatively, Democrats have been investigating Trump (their political opponent) for their personal political benefit. Is that abuse of power? |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:55 PM Author: Charismatic bearded forum cuckold Democrats have been investigating Trump for the country's benefit. If Russia was somehow corrupting our President, how is investigating this an abuse of power and not to benefit our country? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261229) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:57 PM Author: self-centered temple You're almost there...
If Ukrainian servers were used to interfere in the 2016 election, or Biden was abusing his power for personal purposes, how is investigating that an abuse of power and not to benefit our country?
See what I'm getting at? |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:00 PM Author: Charismatic bearded forum cuckold Here's the thing though, if Biden was abusing his power, then Trump could have easily stated that from the beginning instead of withholding funds from Ukraine. But for some reason, I decided to game this chick. From the moment I saw her, I played it cool and talked to her like I would to a girl at a club. She was a bit taken aback at first and then got more comfortable with it. After the sex, she kept talking to me, and started opening up. When I asked her if she was going out this weekend, her face lit up and said we should meet up. Instead of displaying excitement, I was completely nonreactive and casually mentioned I have to attend a company party on Saturday. We then talked a bit more. Finally, before leaving, I told her I'll give her a ring on Friday so we can hang out. She gladly agreed that would be a good idea. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261248) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:00 PM Author: lilac native nibblets (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261250) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:01 PM Author: self-centered temple that's actually a really good point (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261251) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:06 PM Author: claret excitant nowag This makes no sense whatsoever (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261275) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:22 PM Author: milky nursing home ratface ? Sorry you can't follow a logical argument Trumpkin |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:40 PM Author: claret excitant nowag Let's just take the first sentence. Let's assume that Trump had some reason to believe Biden was abusing his power but needed more proof from Ukraine. Is it wrong for him to ask Ukraine to look into it? What if Ukraine is reluctant? What's wrong with withholding some aid as an incentive to investigate Biden's potential corruption? Why should Trump state that Biden is corrupt (as the first sentence of the other post suggests) unless he has gathered enough evidence for it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261457) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:41 PM Author: fragrant flesh area useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261464) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 11:42 PM Author: irradiated hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39263304) |
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Date: December 14th, 2019 1:33 AM Author: honey-headed theatre (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39263567) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 3:46 PM Author: lilac native nibblets Against the Abuse of Power charge: this is completely amorphous and The founding fathers purposely excluded “maladministration” from the grounds for impeachment (after debate) to prevent impeachment being turned into the partisan political shitshow the Dems are descending to right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261193) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:03 PM Author: mind-boggling home The point isn't to convict Trump but to use the trail to prove that he is Putin's puppet and force him to resign. Trumpkins. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261262) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:05 PM Author: rusted violent whorehouse queen of the night "Here's my problem with that, even if you assume that's exactly what he did, there are all sorts of things Presidents regularly do in their official capacities that also help them politically. A President may try to get a trade deal done by a certain date, or secure some military objective, so that he can campaign on that success. Why/when is "it would benefit him politically" enough to make it corruption or abuse of power?"
This is basically what Mulvaney was getting at when he admitted Trump withheld aid for political reasons. It's a good argument IMO. Dems should have fought harder for testimony from Trump's inner circle before advancing this.
Proceeding as is looks half-baked and sets a bad precedent.
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:19 PM Author: self-centered temple I thought Mulvaney's argument was actually narrower (i.e., that foreign policy is always a series of quid-pro-quo arrangements), but without addressing the "personal political benefit" aspect.
If it were *purely* for personal political benefit, I could see that being a legitimate basis for censure or maybe even impeachment. The problem is that it's easy to believe that Trump believed there *was* something worth investigating going on.
The House is definitely rushing this through (I guess on the assumption/knowledge that it's not going to result in Trump's removal anyway).
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:32 PM Author: rusted violent whorehouse queen of the night For me, it is not easy to believe that Trump thought there was something worth investigating outside of his own political interests. He's simply too narcissistic and unconcerned with corruption for any other answer to be plausible.
Mulvaney admitted there was political influence in the decision making on this issue. |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:37 PM Author: self-centered temple It's easy for me to imagine Trump as credulous of any anti-Trump theory he hears. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261444) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:40 PM Author: rusted violent whorehouse queen of the night Yes, but that's not related to my post.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261454) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:42 PM Author: self-centered temple If he believed Biden abused his VP power or Ukrainians interefered nefariously in the 2016 election, how is that not a legitimate basis for asking them to investigate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261471) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:44 PM Author: rusted violent whorehouse queen of the night Oh, I see what you mean. It's possible he believed it. He is a very simple man. I'd buy the argument that he is too naive to have abused power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261478) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:20 PM Author: jet tantric meetinghouse boltzmann it doesnt matter cause trump cld rape and murder someone on live tv and u wldnt care and wld instead say its a lib conspiracy
the US is fukd cause of u, fuking trash |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:21 PM Author: Arousing jap brethren there was no public benefit to the american people in the biden investigation
if there was, then just have the fbi or doj do it |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:25 PM Author: Charismatic bearded forum cuckold Lmao at fbi (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261375) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:33 PM Author: Arousing jap brethren Is Bill Barr not as reliable for Trump as the Ukrainian whatever? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261415) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:35 PM Author: rusted violent whorehouse queen of the night It's almost like for Trump the public statement from a Ukrainian official was more important than the substance of the investigation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261423) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:35 PM Author: self-centered temple This doesn't make sense to me. First, why do you think there is no public benefit, or no reasonably conceivable public benefit?
Second, why do you think the FBI or DOJ is in as good a position as Ukraine to investigate things happening in Ukraine?
Third, on the Call with Zelensky, Trump urged him to work with Attorney General Barr (i.e., the head of the DOJ) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:41 PM Author: Arousing jap brethren FBI investigates corrupt american businessmen all over the world all the time. There's no public benefit in having the Ukrainestone cops instead of the FBI.
And this all assumes that Joe Biden had some actual corrupt intent or even that Hunter is in fact a corrupt businessman.
He just said that Barr would call, which the congressional testimony made clear was about the announcement of the investigation. There was no actual interest in a corruption case. |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:09 PM Author: self-centered temple You don't need to assume corruption in order to investigate it.
If there were convincing testimony/evidence that Trump had interest only in the announcement and not in the findings/conduct, that might be persuasive. What is there? |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 11:11 PM Author: Arousing jap brethren He wanted it to be on CNN specifically. Sondland also testified to this.
And the probable cause for the Biden corruption is just that it looks bad. |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 5:17 PM Author: self-centered temple Sorry, but I don't take statements of fact from XO poasters at face value here, especially given that so much of the actual testimony is hearsay (including Sondland). What is the actual evidence? Who testified to what, and on what basis? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39274005) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 11:16 PM Author: claret excitant nowag The problem with the FBI investigating is that the FBI is full of partisan anti-Trump hacks, as we know from the IG report. Trump can't rely on them to be impartial. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39263203) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 11:22 PM Author: Arousing jap brethren According to the IG report it’s also full of Trumpmo hacks. Why not send them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39263234) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 11:47 PM Author: claret excitant nowag I don't recall any Trumpmo hacks investigating Dems discussed in the IG report. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39263325) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:43 PM Author: bipolar internet-worthy bbw Only argument that matters: would u be ok if obama or future dem did the exact same thing? I wouldn’t. Throw all the bums out. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261474) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:45 PM Author: claret excitant nowag Every president does things like this. The difference is that only Trump is getting impeached for it because Dems are absolutely insane in their hatred for him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261480) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 4:50 PM Author: passionate mood ladyboy Your schtick sucks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261501) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:05 PM Author: poppy electric furnace chapel Is this proles in Kentucky? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261566) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:43 PM Author: bipolar internet-worthy bbw u didn’t answer the question. So your fine if a dem potus does the exact same thing? Gotcha. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261737) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 5:11 PM Author: self-centered temple Ok? I don't like it either way, but I'm not convinced (yet, at least) that there's clear abuse for personal purposes here.
At least with Clinton it was pretty clear he lied under oath. |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 6:04 PM Author: amber sweet tailpipe giraffe Tbf that was a retarded impeachment too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261862) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 6:08 PM Author: self-centered temple Why? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261884) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 6:26 PM Author: amber sweet tailpipe giraffe Yes he lied about fucking some dumb slut. Who cares? It wasn’t a lie worth overturning an election so why bother. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261947) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 6:31 PM Author: Misanthropic step-uncle's house dysfunction The circumstances with that and Linda Tripp were bs too. That would have never been touched in the past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261958) |
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Date: December 16th, 2019 5:19 PM Author: self-centered temple President isn't above the law. Perjury and obstruction of justice are sufficient charges for removal, IMO. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39274011) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 6:23 PM Author: Misanthropic step-uncle's house dysfunction Yeah I agree, but the Clinton's skated on the whitewater shenanigans. That was shady as fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261940) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:24 PM Author: vibrant bull headed menage double fault Actually that would be fine (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262747) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 6:29 PM Author: Federal lodge My liberal argument is that Mike Pence is awesome and will help us pass the Green New Deal and Single Payer Healthcare given how much of a fan of socialism he is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39261953) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:22 PM Author: vivacious site gaping Trump abused his power by attempting to pressure Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden for Trump's personal benefit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262731) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:24 PM Author: vibrant bull headed menage double fault (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262745) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:26 PM Author: Floppy Windowlicker Piazza Retard shtick? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262764) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:37 PM Author: vivacious site gaping Point out what is wrong about what I stated. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262809) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:39 PM Author: Floppy Windowlicker Piazza That's like asking someone to take a piss that's wet. The argument, as I understand it, is that Trump abused his office/power by using such power to try to obtain a personal political benefit (i.e., used his power to try to get Ukraine to investigate his political rival, in order to help Trump politically).
Here's my problem with that, even if you assume that's exactly what he did, there are all sorts of things Presidents regularly do in their official capacities that also help them politically. A President may try to get a trade deal done by a certain date, or secure some military objective, so that he can campaign on that success. Why/when is "it would benefit him politically" enough to make it corruption or abuse of power?
If there is no conceivable benefit to the national interest, then I think it's corruption/abuse of power. But I think it's easy to see a potential national interest in investigating a U.S. official's use of power to influence a foreign government for personal benefit (indeed, THAT'S THE FUCKING POINT OF THIS IMPEACHMENT). |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:41 PM Author: vibrant bull headed menage double fault your argument is that Trump has committed so many impeachable offenses we couldn’t possible enforce all of them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262825) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:43 PM Author: Floppy Windowlicker Piazza Holy fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262828) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 11:47 PM Author: Duck-like market foreskin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39263324) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 9:50 PM Author: vivacious site gaping It depends on Trump's corrupt intent. Was the pressure on Ukraine for his personal benefit or for the general benefit of the country not related to Trump. That is a question for the Senate to figure out. I wonder how often Trump calls world leaders about starting investigations into US politicians. That would be an interesting question about corrupt intent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4400753&forum_id=2#39262851) |
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Date: December 13th, 2019 10:02 PM Author: Floppy Windowlicker Piazza Notwithstanding that you literally didn't respond to a single point I made, why does impeachment depend on Trump's corrupt intent? Because you said so? And who is going to dig around in Trump's mind for mens rea?
I'm sorry but you're honestly a goddamn moron. Instead of addressing my very simple and logical points you just posed some shit sequitur that was lodged in your ass. While I've no doubt that people call you smart in real life you're absolutely not. You're a simpleton. Thanks for the peek inside the "mind" of a high-functioning lo-cognitive-tempo TDS victim though. |
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Date: December 14th, 2019 1:50 AM Author: citrine center durr durr mulvaney admitted quid pro quo |
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Date: December 14th, 2019 1:59 AM Author: gold roommate 1. Trump said pussy 2. Orange man bad 3. I call him Drumpf 4. He paid Russian hookers to piss on him and hack the election 5. Not my President
We rest our case *smug soi grin* |