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Date: March 25th, 2020 11:04 PM Author: crimson gas station becky https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/experts-know-the-new-coronavirus-is-not-a-bioweapon-they-disagree-on-whether-it-could-have-leaked-from-a-research-lab/# (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39864640) |
Date: March 25th, 2020 11:15 PM Author: contagious crackhouse yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39864744) |
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Date: March 25th, 2020 11:17 PM Author: histrionic submissive pistol The guy they quote in the article is a batshit Twitter loudmouth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39864758) |
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Date: March 25th, 2020 11:18 PM Author: bull headed apoplectic theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39864760) |
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Date: March 25th, 2020 11:50 PM Author: Snowy roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39864976) |
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Date: March 25th, 2020 11:51 PM Author: Sepia Zombie-like Theatre Blood Rage This has been my thought since i saw that 2015 Nature article (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39864978) |
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Date: March 25th, 2020 11:56 PM Author: fighting shaky church This is an example of how lazy and biased most journalists are. They don't want to blame this on China so they rather than investigate, they ask some "expert" with the same bias, quote them, and then conclude everyone who says differently is "fake news."
Is it entirely possible that the virus originated from a bat that was at the wet market without any relation to the Wuhan lab? Yes.
But statistically, of all the markets in Asia, what are the odds this incident "occurred" in the market that is literally 3 football fields away from a lab where the Chinese were experimenting with Corona viruses in bats?
We're looking at probably at least a 1/1000 coincidence? |
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Date: March 25th, 2020 11:58 PM Author: Electric jade background story brunch "Coincidence" proves absolutely nothing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865005) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:06 AM Author: fighting shaky church ^^^Not a res ipso loquitor scholar
At a certain point when a coincidence becomes incredible you have to be smart and realize it might not be a coincidence?
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:07 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_truly_large_numbers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865056) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:14 AM Author: fighting shaky church To summarize:
You argument = It was a million to one shot, and this time we "won" the lottery
My argument = The bat virus somehow got out of the lab that was across the street from where the outbreak occurred. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:17 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca 285 meters isn't across the street, but either way, there are virus labs at every major research university in the world.
why do you think they were studying these viruses at this lab? because they were present in wild animal populations in that region and posed a threat of spread, so they wanted to understand the threat better.
i'm not saying it wasn't from the lab, but that seafood market sold bats and pangolins. would be a coincidence if it didn't come from there, too. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:20 AM Author: Electric jade background story brunch Mind you this "coincidence" scholar completely ignores the fact that every credible infectious disease expert who was looked at it feels there's not evidence or reason to believe this "leaked" from a lab.
No, his argument is a virus lab that is 900 feet from a teeming wet market crammed with exotic animals pissing and shitting all over each other and being sold to humans is the more likely culprit here. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:22 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865163) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:25 AM Author: unholy business firm The chinese have been eating wild animals for millennia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865172) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:26 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca ...and they have been spreading plagues that way for millennia. avian flu and SARS underwent zoonosis in China as well. The "Spanish" flu may have originated in China: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#China
And many postulate that the Black Death spread the same way:
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/01/health/01plague.html Europe’s Plagues Came From China, Study Finds
The great waves of plague that twice devastated Europe and changed the course of history had their origins in China, a team of medical geneticists reported Sunday, as did a third plague outbreak that struck less harmfully in the 19th century. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:29 AM Author: unholy business firm SARS officially escaped from a lab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865194) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:33 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca no
The viral outbreak can be genetically traced to a colony of cave-dwelling horseshoe bats in China's Yunnan province.[26]
The SARS epidemic appears to have started in Guangdong Province, China, in November 2002 where the first case was reported that same month. The patient, a farmer from Shunde, Foshan, Guangdong, was treated in the First People's Hospital of Foshan. The patient died soon after, and no definite diagnosis was made on his cause of death. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:48 AM Author: unholy business firm I didn't say sars necessarily originated from a lab, just that it escaped from one
https://www.the-scientist.com/news-analysis/sars-escaped-beijing-lab-twice-50137 |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:30 AM Author: mint dashing depressive garrison (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865196) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:33 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca yeah i'm not saying it can be ruled out. it's possible. but if it came from the wild, then it would make as much sense, maybe more, that it found its way into the wet market first, where bats and pangolins are known to have been pissing and shitting on each other (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865219) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:22 AM Author: unholy business firm "there are virus labs at every major research university in the world". Not like the virus lab in Wuhan. It is the only lab of its kind in the entire world.
Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens Maximum-security biolab is part of plan to build network of BSL-4 facilities across China
A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.
Related stories Ebola spurs creation of Japan's first maximum-security biolab European biosafety labs set to grow Booming biosafety labs probed More related stories Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats.
“It will offer more opportunities for Chinese researchers, and our contribution on the BSL‑4-level pathogens will benefit the world,” says George Gao, director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Key Laboratory of Pathogenic Microbiology and Immunology in Beijing. There are already two BSL-4 labs in Taiwan, but the National Bio-safety Laboratory, Wuhan, would be the first on the Chinese mainland.
The lab was certified as meeting the standards and criteria of BSL-4 by the China National Accreditation Service for Conformity Assessment (CNAS) in January. The CNAS examined the lab’s infrastructure, equipment and management, says a CNAS representative, paving the way for the Ministry of Health to give its approval. A representative from the ministry says it will move slowly and cautiously; if the assessment goes smoothly, it could approve the laboratory by the end of June.
BSL-4 is the highest level of biocontainment: its criteria include filtering air and treating water and waste before they leave the laboratory, and stipulating that researchers change clothes and shower before and after using lab facilities. Such labs are often controversial. The first BSL-4 lab in Japan was built in 1981, but operated with lower-risk pathogens until 2015, when safety concerns were finally overcome.
The expansion of BSL-4-lab networks in the United States and Europe over the past 15 years — with more than a dozen now in operation or under construction in each region — also met with resistance, including questions about the need for so many facilities.
“Viruses don’t know borders.” The Wuhan lab cost 300 million yuan (US$44 million), and to allay safety concerns it was built far above the flood plain and with the capacity to withstand a magnitude-7 earthquake, although the area has no history of strong earthquakes. It will focus on the control of emerging diseases, store purified viruses and act as a World Health Organization ‘reference laboratory’ linked to similar labs around the world. “It will be a key node in the global biosafety-lab network,” says lab director Yuan Zhiming.
The Chinese Academy of Sciences approved the construction of a BSL-4 laboratory in 2003, and the epidemic of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) around the same time lent the project momentum. The lab was designed and constructed with French assistance as part of a 2004 cooperative agreement on the prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases. But the complexity of the project, China’s lack of experience, difficulty in maintaining funding and long government approval procedures meant that construction wasn’t finished until the end of 2014.
The lab’s first project will be to study the BSL-3 pathogen that causes Crimean–Congo haemorrhagic fever: a deadly tick-borne virus that affects livestock across the world, including in northwest China, and that can jump to people.
Future plans include studying the pathogen that causes SARS, which also doesn’t require a BSL-4 lab, before moving on to Ebola and the West African Lassa virus, which do. Some one million Chinese people work in Africa; the country needs to be ready for any eventuality, says Yuan. “Viruses don’t know borders.”
Gao travelled to Sierra Leone during the recent Ebola outbreak, allowing his team to report the speed with which the virus mutated into new strains1. The Wuhan lab will give his group a chance to study how such viruses cause disease, and to develop treatments based on antibodies and small molecules, he says.
Muyi Xiao for Nature The central monitor room at China’s National Bio-safety Laboratory. The opportunities for international collaboration, meanwhile, will aid the genetic analysis and epidemiology of emergent diseases. “The world is facing more new emerging viruses, and we need more contribution from China,” says Gao. In particular, the emergence of zoonotic viruses — those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola — is a concern, says Bruno Lina, director of the VirPath virology lab in Lyon, France.
Many staff from the Wuhan lab have been training at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, which some scientists find reassuring. And the facility has already carried out a test-run using a low-risk virus.
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
Yuan says that he has worked to address this issue with staff. “We tell them the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done,” he says. And the lab’s international collaborations will increase openness. “Transparency is the basis of the lab,” he adds.
The plan to expand into a network heightens such concerns. One BSL-4 lab in Harbin is already awaiting accreditation; the next two are expected to be in Beijing and Kunming, the latter focused on using monkey models to study disease.
Lina says that China’s size justifies this scale, and that the opportunity to combine BSL-4 research with an abundance of research monkeys — Chinese researchers face less red tape than those in the West when it comes to research on primates — could be powerful. “If you want to test vaccines or antivirals, you need a non-human primate model,” says Lina.
But Ebright is not convinced of the need for more than one BSL-4 lab in mainland China. He suspects that the expansion there is a reaction to the networks in the United States and Europe, which he says are also unwarranted. He adds that governments will assume that such excess capacity is for the potential development of bioweapons.
“These facilities are inherently dual use,” he says. The prospect of ramping up opportunities to inject monkeys with pathogens also worries, rather than excites, him: “They can run, they can scratch, they can bite.”
Trevan says China’s investment in a BSL-4 lab may, above all, be a way to prove to the world that the nation is competitive. “It is a big status symbol in biology,” he says, “whether it’s a need or not.” |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:55 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca no it's not
there are BSL-4 labs in other countries too, including 15 in the US
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level#List_of_BSL-4_facilities
and coronaviruses aren't BSL-4, they're BSL-2 |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:58 AM Author: unholy business firm I didn't say there weren't bsl-4 labs anywhere else in the world, but there is only one in china and like 13 in the US. It talks about all the other bsl-4 labs right in the article I just posted. the covid virus didn't come from the US anyway, it came from china and there is only one bsl-4 lab in china, and it happens to be right next to the wet market the virus supposedly came from, and it happened to be studying bat-coronaviruses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865365) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:00 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca there were two virus labs in wuhan. the bsl-4 lab is 20 km away from the wet market. and they were not studying the coronaviruses at the bsl-4 lab. and it's not surprising that the bsl-2 lab was studying locally endemic viruses. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865377) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:13 AM Author: unholy business firm you are getting caught up in specifics while missing the big picture. fact is, there is only one BioWeapons lab in China, and it just so happens to be 10 miles from the market where the chinese claim the virus originated. that is at the very least, highly suspicious, and the fact that there are people so apt to prematurely dismiss this is bewildering to me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865423) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:19 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca link to it being a "bioweapons lab"?
your baseless schizoid speculations are not more convincing than the fact that actual experts who have analyzed it have found no signature of genetic engineering in its gene sequence |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:28 AM Author: unholy business firm Found no signature of genetic engineering it its gene sequence, eh? An absence of evidence, isn't evidence of absence.
Look, I ain't stupid. You have an agenda. You want to come in here with your PhD and try to impress us with all your fancy science knowledge. You want to play the role of a pedagogue, explaining away misleading appearances to the unenlightened. Try to act like you're better than us common folk. But you ain't fooling me with your fancy degrees and your hand wavin. I know that when I see smoke, theres fire. And theres nothin you can say to convince me otherwise. So you can take your comments about "experts" and stick em right where the sun don't shine. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:48 AM Author: Embarrassed To The Bone Alpha University Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865593) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 12:49 AM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:17 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
285 meters isn't across the street, but either way, there are virus labs at every major research university in the world. why do you think they were studying these viruses at this lab? because they were present in wild animal populations in that region and posed a threat of spread, so they wanted to understand the threat better.
i'm not saying it wasn't from the lab, but that seafood market sold bats and pangolins. would be a coincidence if it didn't come from there, too.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865132) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:01 AM Author: Bateful lavender karate you forgot the most interesting and imo the most important fact about this virus
-- it was able to recognize human ACE2 from DAY ONE unlike SARS which had to mutate and figure out that ACE2 was the way to go
"When SARS-classic first made this leap, a brief period of mutation was necessary for it to recognize ACE2 well. But SARS-CoV-2 could do that from day one. “It had already found its best way of being a [human] virus,” says Matthew Frieman of the University of Maryland School of Medicine."
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/biography-new-coronavirus/608338/ |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:06 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca lol dude, you really think it was engineered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865049) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:09 AM Author: Bateful lavender karate i dont know what to think but top notch scientist (andersen of scripss) thinks that we were very unlucky and got got by a "very low" probability event. so it comes down how much do you believe in very low probability events
"What are the odds that a random bat virus had exactly the right combination of traits to effectively infect human cells from the get-go, and then jump into an unsuspecting person? “Very low,” Andersen says,
https://andersen-lab.com/ |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:09 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted[7,11]. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used[19]. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone[20] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:10 AM Author: Exhilarant stubborn ladyboy forum Everyone in 2020 has an agenda. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865081) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:11 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca lmao great argument, fag (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865091) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:17 AM Author: Exhilarant stubborn ladyboy forum The article says irrefutable, ergo it is irrefutable! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865127) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:18 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca (polisci shithead) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865136) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:22 AM Author: Exhilarant stubborn ladyboy forum You're a science guy and therefore and copy and paste things better than I can? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865154) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:22 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca i have a STEM PhD, and have co-authored papers published in Science and PNAS. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865159) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:34 AM Author: Exhilarant stubborn ladyboy forum Impressive - congrats.
I'm still skeptical of the supposed coincidence. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:37 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca I was lucky to fall in with some very accomplished people in grad school (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865240) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 12:47 AM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:37 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
I was lucky to fall in with some very accomplished people in grad school
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865240) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 12:48 AM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:22 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
i have a STEM PhD, and have co-authored papers published in Science and PNAS.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865159) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:11 AM Author: fighting shaky church You're making a dumb argument. Just because it was not genetically manipulated does not exclude it from coming from bat corona virus lab across the street. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865087) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:14 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca i'm not saying it came from the lab. but if it did come from the lab, that lab virus came from a wild bat via a wild pangolin, so it was circulating in the wild anyway. would've been a matter of time before it found its way into that seafood market anyway, since it has bats and pangolins in stock.
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:19 AM Author: fighting shaky church "would've been a matter of time before it found its way into that seafood market anyway, since it has bats and pangolins in stock"
And again, I'm asking if that's really true - since it didn't happen at any seafood market in the world that have existed for centuriess, it happened in the one next to the coronavirus bat lab shortly after they started studying coronavirus bats.... |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:21 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca lol, zoonotic transfer of viruses through livestock has happened literally times in the past. most recently that's how swine flu, mers, sars all spread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865147) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 12:51 AM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:14 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
i'm not saying it came from the lab. but if it did come from the lab, that lab virus came from a wild bat via a wild pangolin, so it was circulating in the wild anyway. would've been a matter of time before it found its way into that seafood market anyway, since it has bats and pangolins in stock. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:11 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca Malayan pangolins (Manis javanica) illegally imported into Guangdong province contain coronaviruses similar to SARS-CoV-221. Although the RaTG13 bat virus remains the closest to SARS-CoV-2 across the genome1, some pangolin coronaviruses exhibit strong similarity to SARS-CoV-2 in the RBD, including all six key RBD residues21 (Fig. 1). This clearly shows that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein optimized for binding to human-like ACE2 is the result of natural selection. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865088) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:08 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca nah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865065) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:02 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca most events that occur in the universe are one in a quadrillion occurrences
https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnnavin/2014/02/18/why-coincidences-miracles-and-rare-events-happen-every-day/#45d23fa21f1b |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:09 AM Author: fighting shaky church Of course there are tons of crazy random occurrences in a philosophical sense, but in a practical sense "most events" are not coincidences.
If I punch you in the face, and you have a headache the next day, that's not a coincidence. And if you have 10,000 wet markets in the world, and the one that creates a bat virus is a literal block away from a bio lab studying bat viruses - there's a good chance that means something. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:15 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca pointless without knowing how common it is for a lab to study bat viruses. i can guarantee you that every major university in the US has labs studying viruses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865117) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:17 AM Author: fighting shaky church That's not the relevant question. The relevant question is how many wet markets are within a block of labs studying corona viruses in bats.
If you tell me that's actually a large percentage, then I'm more inclined to believe its a coincidence... |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:19 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca the wet market part is irrelevant if you think it came from the lab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865142) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:26 AM Author: fighting shaky church You don't understand how statistics works. It is relevant because YOU are saying it came from a wet market.
If you say that the color red causes an event, and I say that rectangles cause an event, and the event is caused by a red rectangle, and there are 10,000 red objects, and out of those 10,000 objects only 1 is a rectangle - doesn't that make you tend to think that the rectangle is probably the right answer? |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:29 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca "You don't understand how statistics works. "
ROFL. I have forgotten more statistics since I got my PhD than you've learned in your entire life, this I can guarantee you. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:34 AM Author: Purple international law enforcement agency old irish cottage I can’t tell if you’re saying you currently know more statistics than he does... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865225) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:38 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca i'm just shit-talking him. but unless he possesses doctoral-level knowledge of statistics, then i probably do. and he's not making any sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865251) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 7:58 PM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:38 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
i'm just shit-talking him. but unless he possesses doctoral-level knowledge of statistics, then i probably do. and he's not making any sense. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:38 AM Author: fighting shaky church Relying on your credentials rather than addressing the thought experiment. So congrats on the PHD - unfortunately doesn't appear to have taught you how to think critically. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865247) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:41 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca no, you are just being really incoherent, there is not much to engage. sorry man. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865260) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 7:58 PM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:41 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
no, you are just being really incoherent, there is not much to engage. sorry man.
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Date: April 17th, 2020 7:57 PM Author: unholy business firm "You don't understand how statistics works. " ROFL. I have forgotten more statistics since I got my PhD than you've learned in your entire life, this I can guarantee you. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:53 AM Author: unholy business firm no, the wet market part is relevant, because it is purported to be the origin of the virus, and it happens to be right next to the lab (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865332) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 7:57 PM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:19 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
the wet market part is irrelevant if you think it came from the lab |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:31 AM Author: unholy business firm it isn't just about labs studying coronaviruses either, but about maximum security level 4 biosaftey labs studying them. the wuhan lab was considered the most dangerous in the world long before anyone knew about this stupid virus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865203) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:21 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865462) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:20 AM Author: Bateful lavender karate how many of them did this kind of research like the wuhan lab did? just a freaky coincidence we have a bat coronavirus pandemic originate in wuhan
"Engineered bat virus stirs debate over risky research"
In an article published in Nature Medicine1 on 9 November, scientists investigated a virus called SHC014, which is found in horseshoe bats in China. The researchers created a chimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them.
Although the extent of any risk is difficult to assess, Simon Wain-Hobson, a virologist at the Pasteur Institute in Paris, points out that the researchers have created a novel virus that “grows remarkably well” in human cells. “If the virus escaped, nobody could predict the trajectory,” he says. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:23 AM Author: Bateful lavender karate ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865166) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:23 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca it makes sense that they would be studying the viruses that are endemic to wildlife nearby. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865167) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:30 AM Author: Bateful lavender karate you said bats are studied in every lab. how many of them created artificial coronavirus to test if the could infect humans? since you think this kind of research nbd link to such research by other labs or stfu. also FDA banned this kind of research because they realized how dangerous it is. this particular experiment was grandfathered in
so we have a pandemic coronavirus break out from the one city in china which happens to have a BSL4 lab and also the same lab that created an artifical coronavirus that could infect humans easily which raised red flags even then and some how this new coronavirus can also infect humans very easily. coincidece? possible but if you are not somewhat suspicious you have an agenda or you are dumb. at the minimum we shouldnt rush to conclusions a few months after the out break. why is everybody ruling this out so fast when we dont even have a complete picture of this virus?
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:32 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca i didn't say bats are studied in every lab. i said there are virus labs at every research university, and many of them are likely to study viruses that are regionally endemic .
also, research which i linked to above shows conclusively that this wasn't an artificial coronavirus, so that question is irrelevant. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:36 AM Author: unholy business firm The Science is Settled! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865232) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:43 AM Author: Bateful lavender karate it doesnt conclusively show anything. it only shows that pieces of this virus is naturally present in different animals. the protein spike is from pangolin and the rest from the bat
I am not sure how the author then jumps to the conclusion its not possible to produce this in a lab. bioweapon research could have specifically manipulated these two naturally occurring parts into a single artificial virus. its extremely unlikely that this is a bioweapon but i dont understand how you can completely rule it out at this stage
so for nobody has found the animal that has this virus. until then you have assume that one possible scenario is that this could be artifically created even if its highly improbable.
i am not saying that its a bioweapon that escaped but all i am saying is that dont rule it out. yet
"However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible." |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:47 AM Author: unholy business firm "its extremely unlikely that this is a bioweapon"
extremely unlikely that it is a bioweapon or extremely unlikely that it came from the lab? I would say its extremely unlikely it didn't come from the lab. |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 7:58 PM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:23 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
it makes sense that they would be studying the viruses that are endemic to wildlife nearby.
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:50 AM Author: plum blathering kitchen "this incident "occurred" in the market that is literally 3 football fields away from a lab"
Google maps says 20km |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:56 AM Author: unholy business firm lol yeah 3 football fields vs 20km is relevant here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865347) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:57 AM Author: plum blathering kitchen 3 football fields would be another level of coincidence. 20km means in the same city of 10 million. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865353) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 9:05 AM Author: fighting shaky church As reported in the Sun and the article above, it was 300 yards away.
"That evidence includes a study “conducted by the South China University of Technology, [that] concluded that the coronavirus ‘probably’ originated in the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention,” located just 280 meters from the Hunan Seafood Market often cited as the source of the original outbreak." |
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Date: March 30th, 2020 11:28 PM Author: copper razzle-dazzle reading party cuckoldry The Wuhan CDC is a bsl-2 lab that apparently studies bat coronaviruses and its located 3 football fields away. The Wuhan Institute of Virology is a bsl-4 lab and its 20km away. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39904364) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:02 AM Author: unholy business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865029) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:03 AM Author: Exhilarant stubborn ladyboy forum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865036) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:13 AM Author: Trip trump supporter So a crazy deadly novel virus originates somewhere in a three block radius in a city of 20 million people in a country of 1.5 billion people. In that area is a top secret bioweapons lab where they study crazy deadly novel viruses and a market. The leading theory is that the virus jumped from a bat to an anteater-looking thing to a person in the market? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865101) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:19 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca top secret? the lab is on google maps
and they freely published papers and the genome of the bat virus they were studying. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:22 AM Author: Exhilarant stubborn ladyboy forum It doesn't take a tinfoilhatmo to not take all of this at face value. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865160) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:24 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865168) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:23 AM Author: Electric jade background story brunch They did the exact same research in North Carolina, the scientists there were inspired by work on that research.
This research happens all over. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:27 AM Author: unholy business firm oh yeah. this research happens all over!
Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens
Maximum-security biolab is part of plan to build network of BSL-4 facilities across China
A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.
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Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats.
“It will offer more opportunities for Chinese researchers, and our contribution on the BSL‑4-level pathogens will benefit the world,” says George Gao, director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Key Laboratory of Pathogenic Microbiology and Immunology in Beijing. There are already two BSL-4 labs in Taiwan, but the National Bio-safety Laboratory, Wuhan, would be the first on the Chinese mainland.
The lab was certified as meeting the standards and criteria of BSL-4 by the China National Accreditation Service for Conformity Assessment (CNAS) in January. The CNAS examined the lab’s infrastructure, equipment and management, says a CNAS representative, paving the way for the Ministry of Health to give its approval. A representative from the ministry says it will move slowly and cautiously; if the assessment goes smoothly, it could approve the laboratory by the end of June.
BSL-4 is the highest level of biocontainment: its criteria include filtering air and treating water and waste before they leave the laboratory, and stipulating that researchers change clothes and shower before and after using lab facilities. Such labs are often controversial. The first BSL-4 lab in Japan was built in 1981, but operated with lower-risk pathogens until 2015, when safety concerns were finally overcome.
The expansion of BSL-4-lab networks in the United States and Europe over the past 15 years — with more than a dozen now in operation or under construction in each region — also met with resistance, including questions about the need for so many facilities.
“Viruses don’t know borders.”
The Wuhan lab cost 300 million yuan (US$44 million), and to allay safety concerns it was built far above the flood plain and with the capacity to withstand a magnitude-7 earthquake, although the area has no history of strong earthquakes. It will focus on the control of emerging diseases, store purified viruses and act as a World Health Organization ‘reference laboratory’ linked to similar labs around the world. “It will be a key node in the global biosafety-lab network,” says lab director Yuan Zhiming.
The Chinese Academy of Sciences approved the construction of a BSL-4 laboratory in 2003, and the epidemic of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) around the same time lent the project momentum. The lab was designed and constructed with French assistance as part of a 2004 cooperative agreement on the prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases. But the complexity of the project, China’s lack of experience, difficulty in maintaining funding and long government approval procedures meant that construction wasn’t finished until the end of 2014.
The lab’s first project will be to study the BSL-3 pathogen that causes Crimean–Congo haemorrhagic fever: a deadly tick-borne virus that affects livestock across the world, including in northwest China, and that can jump to people.
Future plans include studying the pathogen that causes SARS, which also doesn’t require a BSL-4 lab, before moving on to Ebola and the West African Lassa virus, which do. Some one million Chinese people work in Africa; the country needs to be ready for any eventuality, says Yuan. “Viruses don’t know borders.”
Gao travelled to Sierra Leone during the recent Ebola outbreak, allowing his team to report the speed with which the virus mutated into new strains1. The Wuhan lab will give his group a chance to study how such viruses cause disease, and to develop treatments based on antibodies and small molecules, he says.
Muyi Xiao for Nature
The central monitor room at China’s National Bio-safety Laboratory.
The opportunities for international collaboration, meanwhile, will aid the genetic analysis and epidemiology of emergent diseases. “The world is facing more new emerging viruses, and we need more contribution from China,” says Gao. In particular, the emergence of zoonotic viruses — those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola — is a concern, says Bruno Lina, director of the VirPath virology lab in Lyon, France.
Many staff from the Wuhan lab have been training at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, which some scientists find reassuring. And the facility has already carried out a test-run using a low-risk virus.
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
Yuan says that he has worked to address this issue with staff. “We tell them the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done,” he says. And the lab’s international collaborations will increase openness. “Transparency is the basis of the lab,” he adds.
The plan to expand into a network heightens such concerns. One BSL-4 lab in Harbin is already awaiting accreditation; the next two are expected to be in Beijing and Kunming, the latter focused on using monkey models to study disease.
Lina says that China’s size justifies this scale, and that the opportunity to combine BSL-4 research with an abundance of research monkeys — Chinese researchers face less red tape than those in the West when it comes to research on primates — could be powerful. “If you want to test vaccines or antivirals, you need a non-human primate model,” says Lina.
But Ebright is not convinced of the need for more than one BSL-4 lab in mainland China. He suspects that the expansion there is a reaction to the networks in the United States and Europe, which he says are also unwarranted. He adds that governments will assume that such excess capacity is for the potential development of bioweapons.
“These facilities are inherently dual use,” he says. The prospect of ramping up opportunities to inject monkeys with pathogens also worries, rather than excites, him: “They can run, they can scratch, they can bite.”
Trevan says China’s investment in a BSL-4 lab may, above all, be a way to prove to the world that the nation is competitive. “It is a big status symbol in biology,” he says, “whether it’s a need or not.” |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:31 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca the argument in OP's article is that it's possible it escaped from the lab because they were studying coronaviruses at BSL-2, not BSL-4. so that BSL-4 stuff is hardly relevant. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865199) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:35 AM Author: unholy business firm I didn't read the article in the OP. Who gives a shit about the article in the OP. The most dangerous lab in the world, which was studying bat coronaviruses for years including a batcoronavirus-sars hybrid engineered to infect human cells was right next to the market that the covid virus supposedly originated from. That probably has a 1 in 1x10^999999999999999999999 chance of happening by coincidence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865227) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:40 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca "The most dangerous lab in the world"
You just made that up
" a batcoronavirus-sars hybrid engineered to infect human cells"
that is completely dissimilar from this virus
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:39 AM Author: unholy business firm "a batcoronavirus-sars hybrid engineered to infect human cells""that is completely dissimilar from this virus"
You are retarded. The point isn't that the virus that is causing the plague was engineered to infect human cells. Its that this lab was clearly known for producing a long line of research about bat coronaviruses, to the point where you could say that was their speciality. and it just so happens that this type of virus allegedly originated at a wet market right next to lab! oh what do you know, its a miracle!
"The most dangerous lab in the world" -"You just made that up"
Oh really?
Inside the Chinese lab poised to study world's most dangerous pathogens
Maximum-security biolab is part of plan to build network of BSL-4 facilities across China
A laboratory in Wuhan is on the cusp of being cleared to work with the world’s most dangerous pathogens. The move is part of a plan to build between five and seven biosafety level-4 (BSL-4) labs across the Chinese mainland by 2025, and has generated much excitement, as well as some concerns.
Some scientists outside China worry about pathogens escaping, and the addition of a biological dimension to geopolitical tensions between China and other nations. But Chinese microbiologists are celebrating their entrance to the elite cadre empowered to wrestle with the world’s greatest biological threats.
“It will offer more opportunities for Chinese researchers, and our contribution on the BSL‑4-level pathogens will benefit the world,” says George Gao, director of the Chinese Academy of Sciences Key Laboratory of Pathogenic Microbiology and Immunology in Beijing. There are already two BSL-4 labs in Taiwan, but the National Bio-safety Laboratory, Wuhan, would be the first on the Chinese mainland.
The lab was certified as meeting the standards and criteria of BSL-4 by the China National Accreditation Service for Conformity Assessment (CNAS) in January. The CNAS examined the lab’s infrastructure, equipment and management, says a CNAS representative, paving the way for the Ministry of Health to give its approval. A representative from the ministry says it will move slowly and cautiously; if the assessment goes smoothly, it could approve the laboratory by the end of June.
BSL-4 is the highest level of biocontainment: its criteria include filtering air and treating water and waste before they leave the laboratory, and stipulating that researchers change clothes and shower before and after using lab facilities. Such labs are often controversial. The first BSL-4 lab in Japan was built in 1981, but operated with lower-risk pathogens until 2015, when safety concerns were finally overcome.
The expansion of BSL-4-lab networks in the United States and Europe over the past 15 years — with more than a dozen now in operation or under construction in each region — also met with resistance, including questions about the need for so many facilities.
“Viruses don’t know borders.”
The Wuhan lab cost 300 million yuan (US$44 million), and to allay safety concerns it was built far above the flood plain and with the capacity to withstand a magnitude-7 earthquake, although the area has no history of strong earthquakes. It will focus on the control of emerging diseases, store purified viruses and act as a World Health Organization ‘reference laboratory’ linked to similar labs around the world. “It will be a key node in the global biosafety-lab network,” says lab director Yuan Zhiming.
The Chinese Academy of Sciences approved the construction of a BSL-4 laboratory in 2003, and the epidemic of SARS (severe acute respiratory syndrome) around the same time lent the project momentum. The lab was designed and constructed with French assistance as part of a 2004 cooperative agreement on the prevention and control of emerging infectious diseases. But the complexity of the project, China’s lack of experience, difficulty in maintaining funding and long government approval procedures meant that construction wasn’t finished until the end of 2014.
The lab’s first project will be to study the BSL-3 pathogen that causes Crimean–Congo haemorrhagic fever: a deadly tick-borne virus that affects livestock across the world, including in northwest China, and that can jump to people.
Future plans include studying the pathogen that causes SARS, which also doesn’t require a BSL-4 lab, before moving on to Ebola and the West African Lassa virus, which do. Some one million Chinese people work in Africa; the country needs to be ready for any eventuality, says Yuan. “Viruses don’t know borders.”
Gao travelled to Sierra Leone during the recent Ebola outbreak, allowing his team to report the speed with which the virus mutated into new strains1. The Wuhan lab will give his group a chance to study how such viruses cause disease, and to develop treatments based on antibodies and small molecules, he says.
Muyi Xiao for Nature
The central monitor room at China’s National Bio-safety Laboratory.
The opportunities for international collaboration, meanwhile, will aid the genetic analysis and epidemiology of emergent diseases. “The world is facing more new emerging viruses, and we need more contribution from China,” says Gao. In particular, the emergence of zoonotic viruses — those that jump to humans from animals, such as SARS or Ebola — is a concern, says Bruno Lina, director of the VirPath virology lab in Lyon, France.
Many staff from the Wuhan lab have been training at a BSL-4 lab in Lyon, which some scientists find reassuring. And the facility has already carried out a test-run using a low-risk virus.
But worries surround the Chinese lab, too. The SARS virus has escaped from high-level containment facilities in Beijing multiple times, notes Richard Ebright, a molecular biologist at Rutgers University in Piscataway, New Jersey. Tim Trevan, founder of CHROME Biosafety and Biosecurity Consulting in Damascus, Maryland, says that an open culture is important to keeping BSL-4 labs safe, and he questions how easy this will be in China, where society emphasizes hierarchy. “Diversity of viewpoint, flat structures where everyone feels free to speak up and openness of information are important,” he says.
Yuan says that he has worked to address this issue with staff. “We tell them the most important thing is that they report what they have or haven’t done,” he says. And the lab’s international collaborations will increase openness. “Transparency is the basis of the lab,” he adds.
The plan to expand into a network heightens such concerns. One BSL-4 lab in Harbin is already awaiting accreditation; the next two are expected to be in Beijing and Kunming, the latter focused on using monkey models to study disease.
Lina says that China’s size justifies this scale, and that the opportunity to combine BSL-4 research with an abundance of research monkeys — Chinese researchers face less red tape than those in the West when it comes to research on primates — could be powerful. “If you want to test vaccines or antivirals, you need a non-human primate model,” says Lina.
But Ebright is not convinced of the need for more than one BSL-4 lab in mainland China. He suspects that the expansion there is a reaction to the networks in the United States and Europe, which he says are also unwarranted. He adds that governments will assume that such excess capacity is for the potential development of bioweapons.
“These facilities are inherently dual use,” he says. The prospect of ramping up opportunities to inject monkeys with pathogens also worries, rather than excites, him: “They can run, they can scratch, they can bite.”
Trevan says China’s investment in a BSL-4 lab may, above all, be a way to prove to the world that the nation is competitive. “It is a big status symbol in biology,” he says, “whether it’s a need or not.”
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:32 AM Author: Poppy church building Many people are researching this! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865209) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:38 AM Author: Trip trump supporter Regulations mean literally nothing in China. You can call it BSL-whatever-the-fuck but if there was an opportunity to cut corners I’m sure it was taken. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865246) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:30 AM Author: unholy business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865513) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:35 AM Author: unholy business firm SARS-CoV is a select agent. All work for these studies was performed with approved standard operating procedures (SOPs) and safety conditions for SARS-CoV, MERs-CoV and other related CoVs. Our institutional CoV BSL3 facilities have been designed to conform to the safety requirements that are recommended in the Biosafety in Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories (BMBL), the US Department of Health and Human Services, the Public Health Service, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the NIH. Laboratory safety plans were submitted to, and the facility has been approved for use by, the UNC Department of Environmental Health and Safety (EHS) and the CDC. Electronic card access is required for entry into the facility. All workers have been trained by EHS to safely use powered air purifying respirators (PAPRs), and appropriate work habits in a BSL3 facility and active medical surveillance plans are in place. Our CoV BSL3 facilities contain redundant fans, emergency power to fans and biological safety cabinets and freezers, and our facilities can accommodate SealSafe mouse racks. Materials classified as BSL3 agents consist of SARS-CoV, bat CoV precursor strains, MERS-CoV and mutants derived from these pathogens. Within the BSL3 facilities, experimentation with infectious virus is performed in a certified Class II Biosafety Cabinet (BSC). All members of the staff wear scrubs, Tyvek suits and aprons, PAPRs and shoe covers, and their hands are double-gloved. BSL3 users are subject to a medical surveillance plan monitored by the University Employee Occupational Health Clinic (UEOHC), which includes a yearly physical, annual influenza vaccination and mandatory reporting of any symptoms associated with CoV infection during periods when working in the BSL3. All BSL3 users are trained in exposure management and reporting protocols, are prepared to self-quarantine and have been trained for safe delivery to a local infectious disease management department in an emergency situation. All potential exposure events are reported and investigated by EHS and UEOHC, with reports filed to both the CDC and the NIH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865540) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:37 AM Author: hairless concupiscible famous landscape painting Cr. If it’s on google maps and publishes a few free papers a year, nothing top secret is going on there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865243) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:42 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca Cr. It's top secret because "Belisarius" says it is on a forum for racist lawyers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865270) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:45 AM Author: hairless concupiscible famous landscape painting (Quotemo lacking self awareness ) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865277) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:49 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca i'm not the one speculating here, buddy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865299) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:52 AM Author: hairless concupiscible famous landscape painting You’re a quotemo attacking my credibility bc of the name. I’m losing confidence in your opposition to ops theory the longer you fail to comprehend this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865320) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:53 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca BEEP BEEP BEEP
i'm not attacking your credibility bc of your name.
i'm attacking your credibility because you are an anonymous internet poaster baselessly speculating on a racist lawyer chatbort. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 9:10 AM Author: hairless concupiscible famous landscape painting Bro, remember that lack of self awareness thing I poasted about above? I'm honestly saddened you've required me to sink to the level of having to explain this to you, but you're also an anonymous internet poaster speculating on a racist lawyer chatbort. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39866552) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:37 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater It’s not just the location, there are other things too: 1. The genetic sequence is SARS with HIV spliced into it. 2. The symptoms have been described by a big shot pathologist as eerily like a mixture of SARS and AIDS 3. The most promising treatment is a cocktail of a drug used against SARS (chloroquine) and a drug used against HIV (remdesivir). 4. The very first public step taken by Xi Jinping against this plague was to boost the law about security in bio labs. 5. The location of the lab, the only one of its kind in China. 6. The lab has had multiple pathogen leaks, including 4 documented leaks of SARS and likely a whole bunch of others that were hushed up. Occams Razor suggests an engineered virus accidentally released. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:41 AM Author: Poppy church building This is the best breakdown I've read yet on this theory. Ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865259) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:06 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865393) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:46 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca 1 is completely false
3 is lulzy, because remdesivir is an antiviral effective against a range of viruses, not just HIV. also known to be effective against MERS, which is related to SARS-CoV-2: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/remdesivir-prevents-mers-coronavirus-disease-monkeys
and not shocking that a drug effective against SARS would be effective against SARS-CoV-2
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:47 AM Author: hairless concupiscible famous landscape painting Yeah but 2, 4, 5, and 6 u got nothing for (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865290) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:50 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca 2 is just a qualitative, subjective statement 4 and 6 i'd like to see actual citations links for. this poaster makes up a lot of stuff so i'd like sources that aren't flame. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:16 AM Author: contagious crackhouse yarmulke 6) There were documented cases of sars being mishandled, but it was at the Beijing lab.
The reality is that until we find the bat and host viruses, there'll be endless speculation. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:20 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater We will never know. We can only figure out what is most likely. The leaks were in Wuhan. I’m sure there have been other leaks elsewhere too. But this is the only (acknowledged) lab of that type in their country. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:37 AM Author: contagious crackhouse yarmulke What happens in 5 years when the researchers find essentially the same coronavirus in bats and another host animal?
If that happens (that they find the related coronavirus), is that the time to admit it was most likely not lab engineered? |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:38 AM Author: Bateful lavender karate yes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865561) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:44 AM Author: unholy business firm If they find a coronavirus almost exactly the same as the covid virus, and it is shown to have originally come from bats, but transferred to that intermediary animal, and that animal is one that was sold at the wet market, then yes. In that case, we will have evidence it didn't come from the lab. But until then, the most plausible explanation is that it came from the Wuhan BioWeapons lab located 10 miles from the virus epicenter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865580) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:43 AM Author: fighting shaky church The deniers in this thread keep shrieking "the science is settled it wasn't genetically engineered".
It doesn't have to be genetically engineered. Who is to say the lab wasn't sticking a bunch of bats with a bunch of other animals to see what they could create, and then some janitor throws out a corona virus bat into the dumpster, an someone bring it home and eats it?
That seems much more plausible than a coincidence where this allegedly happened at the one wet market out of thousands that is right next to a coronavirus bat lab. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:47 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca it could've leaked, but there is no convincing proof that it did
but it wasn't engineered, which multiple people keep saying here |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:50 AM Author: fighting shaky church Your reading comprehension of the thread title is as stellar as your practical application of statistics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865310) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:58 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca wut? i didn't say anything about the thread title, schizo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865368) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:53 AM Author: Trip trump supporter There is no convincing proof of anything but if you see some bat shit lying next to a bat and some tulips you have to be pretty fucking stupid to believe the Chinese government when they insist it came from the tulips. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865327) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:59 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca i see two piles of bat shit. a wet market where bats and pangolins are pissing and shitting on each other is a very likely source of a bat/pangolin coronavirus (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865371) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:11 AM Author: Trip trump supporter Lol yup Chinese wet markets are kind of like pangolin/bat orgies. Sometimes a few civet cats show up and things get crazy.
It’s pork and chickens, dude. Maybe some mud fish in Wuhan. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:14 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater no tbf apparently that market was known for all sorts of freaky animals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865427) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:17 AM Author: Trip trump supporter Link?
I googled and this says something different - no bats at that market
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/coronavirus-china-must-stamp-out-markets-where-wild-animals-are-sold-then-killed-steve-cardownie-2481637%3famp |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:21 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/01/virologists-weigh-novel-coronavirus-chinas-outbreak
"The seafood market at the center of the investigation also sold live animals such as poultry, bats, marmots, and snakes. In the SARS outbreak, bats harbored the virus, which passed it to palm civets as the intermediate host, which then transmitted the virus to people in the live-market setting."
also: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-bans-wildlife-trade-consumption-coronavirus-2020-2
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:23 AM Author: contagious crackhouse yarmulke (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865470) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:26 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater Its western zone was known for wild animals: http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/01/experts-ncov-spread-chinas-cities-could-trigger-global-epidemic |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 12:47 AM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:47 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
it could've leaked, but there is no convincing proof that it did but it wasn't engineered, which multiple people keep saying here
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865289) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 8:02 PM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca yeah i stand by these comments (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#40037604) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 8:01 PM Author: unholy business firm Date: March 26th, 2020 12:47 AM Author: ,.,...,..,.,.,:,.,,.,.,:;,......;,..,;,:..:,::,.
it could've leaked, but there is no convincing proof that it did but it wasn't engineered, which multiple people keep saying here
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=#) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:11 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater If it leaked from a lab, and we didn’t know this virus before in nature, then it had to have been made in the lab. Nowhere else it could come from. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865409) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:31 AM Author: unholy business firm TCR (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865519) |
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Date: March 31st, 2020 1:47 PM Author: Carmine stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39907941) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:48 AM Author: fighting shaky church Don't you non-PHDs get it? The corona virus bat lab was secure, the dry wall was fine it was American laborers who didn't know how to install it right, nothing was wrong with the toothpaste Americans just brush their teeth wrong, the kid's toys had vitamins not poison, and the dog treats didn't kill those dogs - those dogs were already suicidal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865291) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 12:57 AM Author: Indigo Locus Macaca you seem unhinged dude, relax
basically you are getting MAF at me for saying that there's no conclusive evidence that it came from a lab, while not ruling it out. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:13 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater I agree with you that there’s no conclusive evidence. There never will be. But the evidence that exists is at least as consistent with a leak as with a spontaneous species jump in a market. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865421) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:15 AM Author: Razzle Heaven was your face boiling red when you typed this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865431) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:35 AM Author: unholy business firm SARS-CoV is a select agent. All work for these studies was performed with approved standard operating procedures (SOPs) and safety conditions for SARS-CoV, MERs-CoV and other related CoVs. Our institutional CoV BSL3 facilities have been designed to conform to the safety requirements that are recommended in the Biosafety in Microbiological and Biomedical Laboratories (BMBL), the US Department of Health and Human Services, the Public Health Service, the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the NIH. Laboratory safety plans were submitted to, and the facility has been approved for use by, the UNC Department of Environmental Health and Safety (EHS) and the CDC. Electronic card access is required for entry into the facility. All workers have been trained by EHS to safely use powered air purifying respirators (PAPRs), and appropriate work habits in a BSL3 facility and active medical surveillance plans are in place. Our CoV BSL3 facilities contain redundant fans, emergency power to fans and biological safety cabinets and freezers, and our facilities can accommodate SealSafe mouse racks. Materials classified as BSL3 agents consist of SARS-CoV, bat CoV precursor strains, MERS-CoV and mutants derived from these pathogens. Within the BSL3 facilities, experimentation with infectious virus is performed in a certified Class II Biosafety Cabinet (BSC). All members of the staff wear scrubs, Tyvek suits and aprons, PAPRs and shoe covers, and their hands are double-gloved. BSL3 users are subject to a medical surveillance plan monitored by the University Employee Occupational Health Clinic (UEOHC), which includes a yearly physical, annual influenza vaccination and mandatory reporting of any symptoms associated with CoV infection during periods when working in the BSL3. All BSL3 users are trained in exposure management and reporting protocols, are prepared to self-quarantine and have been trained for safe delivery to a local infectious disease management department in an emergency situation. All potential exposure events are reported and investigated by EHS and UEOHC, with reports filed to both the CDC and the NIH. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865545) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:37 AM Author: unholy business firm Nothing to see here. Just an innocuous experiment to see if ebola mabs would be efficacious in treating bat coronaviruses in the rare event that the viruses might jump to humans!
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:37 AM Author: unholy business firm JUST A COINCIDENCE 🇨🇳 🦇🇨🇳 🦇🇨🇳 🦇 🦠🦠🦠🦠🦠ðŸ¦
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:39 AM Author: Ebony mediation theater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865562) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:37 AM Author: unholy business firm They followed SOPs and wore PAPRs! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39865557) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 1:37 AM Author: unholy business firm They wore scrubs under their tyvek coveralls and DOUBLED their GLOVES!! Don't forget, all potential exposure events are REPORTED and INVESTIGATED |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 6:12 AM Author: Green puppy meetinghouse good thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39866003) |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 9:21 AM Author: Rose Irradiated Keepsake Machete Sandwich I think the most compelling argument I've seen is the one someone posted from James Woods. The video he tweeted talked not only about the fact that the odds of the virus happening to start in a wet market that close to a virology lab in a country just about the size of ours is as suspicious as you can get. But also that the virus itself is largely only harmful to the very old and already sick (ie the drains on a heavily overpopulated country). Very odd for a virus like this to not affect the very young.
My guess is they were working on a virus that might conveniently take care of their population issues, but it wasn't ready yet or was still just in a "thinking about it" stage and was accidentally released. |
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Date: March 26th, 2020 8:09 PM Author: Bateful lavender karate interesting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39871549) |
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Date: March 30th, 2020 11:38 PM Author: Thriller obsidian mexican WHY do the media and orgs like Nature so violently oppose the idea that it might have leaked from the Wuhan Virus lab? What is their agenda? Why not just admit that, yes, of course it is possible? The knee jerk reaction against admitting this belies the truth here I think. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39904467) |
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Date: March 30th, 2020 11:40 PM Author: Disgusting principal's office multi-billionaire In vitro is markedly different from in vivo and there are so many retards like yourself who cannot put 2 and 2 together. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#39904475) |
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Date: April 14th, 2020 6:22 PM Author: fighting shaky church I for one am SHOCKED that my common sense grasp of statistics is being proven vindicated despite that guy's reliance on his "graduate level courses".... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#40014815) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 12:36 AM Author: unholy business firm lol. that guy is so DONE HERE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#40032457) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 12:35 AM Author: unholy business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#40032453) |
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Date: April 17th, 2020 1:10 AM Author: unholy business firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4487723&forum_id=2#40032647) |