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Why have minivans lost their prestige?
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Date: April 8th, 2020 12:50 PM Author: lake telephone doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969229) |
Date: April 8th, 2020 12:52 PM Author: angry indigo meetinghouse mexican replaced by suvs and compact suvs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969237) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 12:55 PM Author: exhilarant adulterous theater son of senegal If you have a big family, there is no finer or safer vehicle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969260) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:44 PM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969754) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 9:00 PM Author: silver doobsian gas station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39972610) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 10:38 PM Author: Charcoal Dingle Berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39973115) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 1:02 PM Author: lake telephone doctorate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39976242) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 5:06 PM Author: stimulating queen of the night (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985600) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 12:56 PM Author: boyish primrose field shitlib marge simpson canyonero episode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969263) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 12:57 PM Author: galvanic cruise ship that just means i can now buy a used minivan for next to nothing (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969268) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:18 PM Author: twisted slippery public bath (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970820) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 12:57 PM Author: Magenta Internet-worthy Senate Police Squad Meet the Chevy Suburban. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969274) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 12:59 PM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness The Odyssey is 180 if you've got kids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969288) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:02 PM Author: exhilarant adulterous theater son of senegal OFS. We took the middle console out and have the dropdown screen. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969313) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:05 PM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness Is the middle console out so your wife can climb into the back while you're driving if she needs to? We've done that for road trips, but use the console for day to day driving. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969336) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 2:15 PM Author: exhilarant adulterous theater son of senegal yes, and car seats are easier to stick on the captains chairs in the middle so older kids go in back (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969988) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 8:41 PM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness and when the kids are finally out of car seats, kids in the third row and grandparents in the captains chairs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39972509) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:03 PM Author: hideous filthy bawdyhouse legal warrant Every generation wants its own mommy car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969320) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:15 AM Author: pearly beady-eyed persian my first thought exactly (family station wagon, etc). What's the margin on minivan vs popular crossover SUV for manufacturers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39974472) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:03 PM Author: mahogany razzmatazz location GC wanted to sell SUV instead, more profit margin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969322) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:07 PM Author: Amethyst mediation This, and the prior Chrysler/dodge vans that were popular when parents were kids were dogshit compared to contemporary SUVs of that era. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969364) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:08 PM Author: Sickened indecent roommate crossovers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969373) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:27 PM Author: lake telephone doctorate Will the Dodge Caravan make a comeback? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969554) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:35 PM Author: hideous filthy bawdyhouse legal warrant Yes, a small one in the form of the new Chrysler Pacifica. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969670) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 2:26 PM Author: lake telephone doctorate That’s the one that talks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970070) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:33 PM Author: Carnelian Faggot Firefighter Therapy When I was a little kid, before minivans were introduced, it was not uncommon for people with big families to drive full-size vans like this:
https://d323w7klwy72q3.cloudfront.net/i/a/2013/20130109midwest/G7668.JPG
https://www.imcdb.org/i518228.jpg |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:35 PM Author: lake telephone doctorate And station wagons right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969666) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:35 PM Author: Carnelian Faggot Firefighter Therapy Yeah. With a set of rear-facing seats in the hatch area for kids. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969673) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:41 PM Author: bisexual contagious place of business still exists
https://www.mbusa.com/en/vehicles/class/e-class/wagon |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:43 PM Author: Topaz concupiscible black woman temple a leap from the ubiquitous Taurus wagons of our youth (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969748) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:57 PM Author: galvanic cruise ship i used to own a 1972 chevy kingwoods estate station wagon...rode like a fucking dream... https://www.automobile-catalog.com/make/chevrolet_usa/full-size_chevrolet_8gen/full-size_caprice_2gen_wagon/1972.html |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:36 PM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness OFS - and there were some sweet fucking vans too - I remember going on a few road trips with other kids' families in vans like that - nobody wore seatbelts and it was like hanging out in a living room (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969674) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:38 PM Author: Carnelian Faggot Firefighter Therapy You always felt like you were just STYLING on carmos when you were riding in one of those. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969705) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:22 PM Author: sepia travel guidebook crackhouse (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970856) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 5:46 PM Author: Fragrant Blue Roast Beef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39971426) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:05 AM Author: Multi-colored stage regret yeah i was always jealous of my friends who had these (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39975059) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:40 PM Author: hideous filthy bawdyhouse legal warrant We had one with four swiveling captains chairs in back. They looked pretty close to this, but they were orange.
https://cdn.yourzoom.com/2m/31597124/31597124_color.ecru.yz/main.jpg |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:53 PM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness YNY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969824) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:41 PM Author: Topaz concupiscible black woman temple cr. Need the boomerang tv antenna. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969726) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:44 PM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969758) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 5:45 PM Author: Fragrant Blue Roast Beef tcr. I remember those. They were much better than minivans. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39971424) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 4:57 PM Author: Histrionic area organic girlfriend the SIN BIN was 18000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985520) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:37 PM Author: transparent trailer park cuck They were mocked by GC so they became uncool. Instead of a $25,000 minivan, people spent $45,000 on an SUV that got worse gas mileage and was more of a pain in the ass to load up with kids.
Also, family size as a whole is declining so that is another big factor. |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:43 PM Author: bisexual contagious place of business everyone got it stuck in their head that they needed AWD in order to drive between December and March. That and the minivans we grew up riding around in during the 1990s were pretty depressing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969752) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:44 PM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt enter the Toyota Sienna. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969764) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:46 PM Author: bisexual contagious place of business still kind of hard to find an AWD. Also Odyssey and Pacifica are nicer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969781) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:48 PM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt It is extremely easy to find an awd Sienna now that they make it at every trim level. Agree that it's otherwise not as nice as the odyssey and pacifica but it's nice enough and the other 2 don't come in awd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969793) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:14 PM Author: bisexual contagious place of business I duno. I remember searching autotrader and getting like 3 search results. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970796) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt i dont know where you live, but i just bought one in November. Most 2015 and newer models in my area are awd. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970908) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:08 PM Author: Big institution 2021 Pacifica will have optional AWD too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970740) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:28 PM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt now you tell me! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970913) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:35 PM Author: Big institution It's news that came out two months ago
https://jalopnik.com/the-awd-2021-chrysler-pacifica-looks-great-and-solves-a-1841492542 |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:45 PM Author: Maize mildly autistic milk talk about begging the question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969772) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 1:54 PM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness bumping for your excellent usage of begging the question (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969834) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 2:03 PM Author: hideous filthy bawdyhouse legal warrant I believe it's more of a plurium interrogationum or false presupposition. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39969893) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 2:26 PM Author: Sickened indecent roommate its a deus ex machina you fucksticks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970074) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 2:29 PM Author: hideous filthy bawdyhouse legal warrant Hehe. You said, "duce."
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Date: April 8th, 2020 9:40 PM Author: Maize mildly autistic milk is this true? damn it, i thought i had it. someone please restate the op as begging the question, plurium interrogationum, and false presupposition i didn't even know the latter two existed and plurium interrogationum sounds made up |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 11:55 PM Author: hideous filthy bawdyhouse legal warrant False presupposition is easy. "When did you stop beating your wife?" presupposes you had a wife, you were beating her, and you stopped. "Why have minivans lost their prestige?" presupposes that minivans had prestige and lost it. Those would all also be "complex questions" or plurium interrogationum. But false presuppositions can exist outside of questions, too ("You scare your children with your misshapen little mushroom dick.").
Begging the question is circular reasoning, whereas there doesn't have to be anything circular about a false presupposition. "The Bible is true because the Book of John says so" begs the question by using an assumption of the Bible's truth to establish the Bible's truth. Begging the question can have different degrees of complexity, but the key is that a premise relies on the conclusion. |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 12:02 AM Author: Maize mildly autistic milk so, why are minivans still prestigious? is begging the question but, why have minivans lost their prestige is a false presupposition? i still need help with the plurium interrogationum |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 1:20 AM Author: hideous filthy bawdyhouse legal warrant You have to have an argument for begging the question, a linking of premises and conclusions where a premise contains the conclusion or at least part of it.
You can have false presuppositions in many contexts: questions, statements, larger arguments.
Neither of your question examples is begging the question. There's no argument. |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:08 PM Author: nofapping buff boltzmann (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970744) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 2:28 PM Author: boyish primrose field shitlib They're great. The dilemma we face is it's hard to justify a van as the car we take to work day in and day out when it's just me or my wife by ourselves. It's a) not fun to drive, b) not great on gas, and c) not as 'cool' as an SUV to show your boss or coworkers (though I barely give a shit about this, it matters more to my wife). So we've thought about just having three cars, idk. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970088) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:12 PM Author: Slimy dun headpube they never had any prestige they were always faggy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970777) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:21 PM Author: lake telephone doctorate :-( (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39970848) |
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Date: October 9th, 2020 6:40 PM Author: lake telephone doctorate (jealous) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41082747) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 4:36 PM Author: Spruce maniacal menage you proles just don't know where to look:
https://jalopnik.com/the-toyota-alphard-is-the-opulent-luxury-minivan-the-re-1831331429 |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 5:45 PM Author: Fragrant Blue Roast Beef They had prestige? LOL. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39971422) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 11:08 AM Author: lake telephone doctorate ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39975499) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 8:53 PM Author: twisted slippery public bath GENTLEMEN:
https://i.imgur.com/ncpf2Rt.jpg
the oldsmobile ILLHOUETTE, -CADILLAC- of minivans, choice of the realest OGs around the world
HTH |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 8:57 PM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness is that the car from get shorty?
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Date: April 8th, 2020 9:03 PM Author: aqua stag film idea he suggested Because they were our parent's cars. Same reason the station wagon died the generation before. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39972626) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 10:05 PM Author: Fragrant Blue Roast Beef Not true. People whose parents drove Mercedes and Porsches happily buy them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39972981) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 1:22 AM Author: hideous filthy bawdyhouse legal warrant The reaction isn't to brands your parents drove. The reaction is to symbols of automotive domesticity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39974020) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:17 AM Author: Fragrant Blue Roast Beef Right, but that's true regardless of the car their parents drove. But I generally agree. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39974860) |
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Date: April 8th, 2020 10:32 PM Author: rusted appetizing private investor voyeur read a WSJ article a few years back that claimed that once manufacturers learned how to make SUVs more drivable and maneuverable, SUVs drank the minivans' milkshakes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39973108) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 12:14 AM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt minivans really only make sense if you have a full-time need for a 3rd row and don't want to pony up for a Tahoe type SUV. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39973718) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:14 AM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness sliding doors are really convenient in parking lots when you have kids in car seats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39974465) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:14 AM Author: pearly beady-eyed persian so basically if you have 3+ kids, minivans still make sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39974468) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:13 AM Author: silver doobsian gas station I have 4 kids and minivan is a life-saver, must have machine. Probably my family's prized possession at this point. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39975105) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:49 AM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt Cr. Is there any better feeling than loading up the whole family and driving somewhere. Feel like an absolute boss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39975363) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:58 AM Author: silver doobsian gas station Oh for sure. Last summer we were down at the beach and went to this crowded seaside family restaurant. Parking lot was packed. Finally snuck into a spot and proceeded to unload all of the kids plus the stroller and a car seat. We were like half of a softball team rolling up to wreck some fried soft shell crab and what not. |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:51 AM Author: Vibrant haunting people who are hurt With 3 you can get away with a Highlander type SUV if 1 of the kids is out of a car seat or can get in and out of the 3rd row himself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39975376) |
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Date: October 9th, 2020 6:43 PM Author: Bistre pit love of her life (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41082761) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 4:58 PM Author: Histrionic area organic girlfriend you can find glorified crossovers that have 3rd rows (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985529) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:09 AM Author: silver doobsian gas station This is one of the dumbest things that I have ever read. Minivans are designed so much better than SUVs for all of the ordinary things you need to do with kids. You can get a Christmas Tree in there. You can move your kids into college. You can haul around all they other crap they have for a camping trip. You can do this you can do that. SUVs are literal shit. They sit too high up from the road, feel top-heavy, have shit cargo space. They're hard to get in and out of. I mean, if you're chasing down border jumpers on the dirt ranch roads of South Texas, then maybe an SUV type suspension is helpful. But for any normal application? lol, no. |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:53 AM Author: Wonderful theater stage it's almost like people are having fewer kids and no longer require cars with more than 5 seats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39975392) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 11:01 AM Author: silver doobsian gas station White families need to have kids for the future. Childless living may seem glamorous, but it’s for fags. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39975446) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 11:06 AM Author: Dashing Zippy Range Twinkling Uncleanness (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39975478) |
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Date: April 9th, 2020 1:07 PM Author: Sickened indecent roommate lol flame? you know that causes climate change right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#39976276) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2020 5:23 PM Author: Fragrant Blue Roast Beef Tons of SUVs have 3 rows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#40135655) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 5:32 PM Author: copper sanctuary They are a bigger hassle tho (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985746) |
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Date: October 9th, 2020 6:42 PM Author: Slap-happy ebony nursing home weed whacker i remember in the early 2000s, sleeper minivans were all the rage and my buddy souped up this old minivan they dont even make any more and that thing would crush it, he ended up out running the cops in it one night and totaling it in the woods, somehow it never came back to haunt him (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41082755) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 4:56 PM Author: Citrine impressive becky mood (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985515) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 4:59 PM Author: bronze soul-stirring jew Two words: Lee Iacocca (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985537) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 5:06 PM Author: bronze soul-stirring jew Probably the autist in me but who gives a shit about the image that your car gives?
All that matters is capabilities. While you’re driving the car, you can’t look at it from the outside like it’s a video game. You’re looking out from inside the car.
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Date: February 21st, 2021 5:21 PM Author: Curious Mental Disorder Box Office Minivans have far higher utility than pickup trucks for 99% of pickup truck drivers
Also I had a rental minivan and everyone attempts to pass you or block you from merging because they think you are going to drive 10 under the speed limit so image does sort of matter |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 5:20 PM Author: stimulating queen of the night One problem I have with minivans - the tires run out rather quickly. Especially the OEM installed ones. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985685) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 5:31 PM Author: Curious Mental Disorder Box Office Honda odysseys used to come with some bespoke rims that only fit tires made by one company. That’s why so many 2000s odysseys have aftermarket wheels (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985742) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 5:33 PM Author: silver doobsian gas station This. My Honda Odyssey has mismatched wheels for this very reason. Lol. I kind of like it. Currently it's on the front driver side. It's a black alloy rim and the rest are that factory silverish alloy. |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 5:24 PM Author: copper sanctuary Texasmo: I almost live in my minivan (which we have for the nanny) during hurricanes and other natural disasters like this last week. It has a 115V outlet and WiFi. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41985698) |
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Date: February 21st, 2021 7:24 PM Author: Translucent depressive I have two Hondas Odyssey. Would be okay with 4 of them. Great car. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4502401&forum_id=2#41986267) |