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The Fed is buying junk bonds. How is XO not freaking tf out?

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Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
Need you to explain why we should freak out.
exhilarant salmon national security agency community account
  04/09/20
it means we are approaching the end of capital markets
titillating orchestra pit
  04/09/20
Cap Markets ballers got nothing to worry about
Domesticated cracking police squad pit
  04/09/20
the invisible hand just got cut off
Irradiated pale party of the first part den
  04/09/20
This ends capitalism. From here on out the government decide...
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
tbf, it was already doing that with TBTF. This just seals t...
Irradiated pale party of the first part den
  04/09/20
The unnecessary quarantine ended capitalism, at least tempor...
shimmering center pervert
  04/09/20
well what the fuck am i going to do man
garnet mental disorder resort
  04/09/20
let the anger overflow & scream at normies wherever they...
titillating orchestra pit
  04/09/20
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cerise free-loading goyim
  04/09/20
Same exact thing can be said for every topic on xo. But we s...
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
Is there an update
shaky site multi-billionaire
  04/09/20
HYG was up 8% today. Have you seen what bonds HYG holds? The...
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
180 i bought hyg like two days ago
Ultramarine aromatic principal's office rigpig
  04/09/20
if the stock market isn't freaked out, why should we be?
indigo jewess
  04/09/20
This is the type of “freak out” that makes the m...
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
Because it's 1922 in Weimar Germany
Razzle-dazzle parlor
  04/09/20
We owe a massive short term debt to all of our neighbors who...
insanely creepy depressive gay wizard
  04/09/20
You know nothing about 1922 Weimar Germany.
exhilarant salmon national security agency community account
  04/09/20
I'd freak out over the Fed buying stocks, but a loan is diff...
tan adventurous spot
  04/09/20
They’re tailored to lining Steve Schwartzman’s p...
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
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Stimulating Haunting Messiness
  04/09/20
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Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
i'm buying the fuck out of as many long dated calls as i can...
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
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Galvanic Nudist Legend
  04/09/20
PE bailout
Cordovan school jap
  04/09/20
this is like the fifth outlandish thing the Fed has done in ...
lemon beady-eyed selfie bawdyhouse
  04/09/20
(Ron Paul)
Cordovan school jap
  04/09/20
This one is next level. I would never have bet they’d ...
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
No, just top corporates and securitized debt. They are doing...
Hairless office
  04/09/20
No. https://www.ft.com/content/c0b78bc9-0ea8-461c-a5a2...
Cordovan school jap
  04/09/20
Well fuck my ass Yankeestan is done here.
Hairless office
  04/09/20
what's the argument for why the Fed should or shouldn't also...
obsidian racy tank
  04/09/20
No confidence in ratings in this environment. Its bad enough...
Hairless office
  04/09/20
Funny how these excessively well capitalized banks cannot pr...
Light histrionic immigrant telephone
  04/09/20
Guy who doesnt understand model risk. Banks have PST Loss Th...
Hairless office
  04/09/20
BBBRRRRRRRRRR
Magical windowlicker
  04/09/20
Disband the fed
Flesh low-t mad-dog skullcap reading party
  04/09/20
I don’t think I’ve ever made this much money in ...
zippy travel guidebook brunch
  04/09/20
What if the government just gave you a million dollars? We ...
Razzle-dazzle parlor
  04/09/20
What did you buy
Rose irate church building cuckold
  04/09/20
Soxl, SPXL, and very short dated spy calls now that premiums...
zippy travel guidebook brunch
  04/09/20
Exactly right. The Fed should be doing anything they can to...
exhilarant salmon national security agency community account
  04/09/20


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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:39 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977925)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:39 PM
Author: exhilarant salmon national security agency community account

Need you to explain why we should freak out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977928)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:42 PM
Author: titillating orchestra pit

it means we are approaching the end of capital markets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977945)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:38 PM
Author: Domesticated cracking police squad pit

Cap Markets ballers got nothing to worry about

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979214)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: Irradiated pale party of the first part den

the invisible hand just got cut off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977954)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:15 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

This ends capitalism. From here on out the government decides who gets money,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978195)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:32 PM
Author: Irradiated pale party of the first part den

tbf, it was already doing that with TBTF. This just seals the end of capitalist meritocracy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978291)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:05 PM
Author: shimmering center pervert

The unnecessary quarantine ended capitalism, at least temporarily, not the fed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978984)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:43 PM
Author: garnet mental disorder resort

well what the fuck am i going to do man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977948)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 4:44 PM
Author: titillating orchestra pit

let the anger overflow & scream at normies wherever they are to be found

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39977953)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:07 PM
Author: cerise free-loading goyim



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980254)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:14 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

Same exact thing can be said for every topic on xo. But we still pretentiously bitch about everything involving pandemics/economics/politics

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978180)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:24 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978249)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:26 PM
Author: shaky site multi-billionaire

Is there an update

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978267)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:30 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

HYG was up 8% today. Have you seen what bonds HYG holds? They are complete garbage. Companies with -$20b in net assets and $1b in EBITDA that private equity frauds created. The Fed is going to print money to buy loans that are worth zero for like a 5% yield.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978281)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:23 PM
Author: Ultramarine aromatic principal's office rigpig

180 i bought hyg like two days ago

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980369)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:27 PM
Author: indigo jewess

if the stock market isn't freaked out, why should we be?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978271)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:31 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

This is the type of “freak out” that makes the market go up. Gold and stocks have started to move together

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978288)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:02 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle parlor

Because it's 1922 in Weimar Germany

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978968)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:23 PM
Author: insanely creepy depressive gay wizard

We owe a massive short term debt to all of our neighbors who have armies that will make us repay and we don't have an army?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979129)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:23 PM
Author: exhilarant salmon national security agency community account

You know nothing about 1922 Weimar Germany.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980365)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:29 PM
Author: tan adventurous spot

I'd freak out over the Fed buying stocks, but a loan is different than an outright grant. And if you want to keep companies in business during an economic catastrophe, you're not just gonna be dealing with AAA debt.

So I can see the case for buying junk bonds, if the purchases are tailored to keeping the economy and jobs intact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978276)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 5:33 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

They’re tailored to lining Steve Schwartzman’s pockets. They Fed does not have the resources to intelligently allocate capital. They’re not even good at buying treasuries.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978303)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:27 PM
Author: Stimulating Haunting Messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978689)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:56 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978905)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:57 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

i'm buying the fuck out of as many long dated calls as i can. I'll put 5-10% of my portfolio into this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978920)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:14 PM
Author: Galvanic Nudist Legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979062)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 6:59 PM
Author: Cordovan school jap

PE bailout

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978935)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:00 PM
Author: lemon beady-eyed selfie bawdyhouse

this is like the fifth outlandish thing the Fed has done in the past month, yes I'm freakin out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978942)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:03 PM
Author: Cordovan school jap

(Ron Paul)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39978970)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:06 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

This one is next level. I would never have bet they’d to this before helicopter money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979000)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:13 PM
Author: Hairless office

No, just top corporates and securitized debt. They are doing it because debt isnt liquid like equities and funds are being margin call PWND and cant meet their calls because their credit assets arent liquid and cant be sold in this market. This lets them clear their riskiest positions without going under. For banks -- it basically lets us buy puts on AAA paper and make a 10% return.

Banks were EXCESSIVELY well capitalized before all this. Liquidity was always a bigger concern. Too much funding was overnight repos and munis. The repo market and the muni market failed. Only the fed can provide liquidity after that. It doesnt mean there are no capital assets backing these injections but these are illiquid assets in this market.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979050)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:18 PM
Author: Cordovan school jap

No.

https://www.ft.com/content/c0b78bc9-0ea8-461c-a5a2-89067ca94ea4

Federal Reserve enters new territory with support for risky debt

Programme to support ‘junk’ bonds aims to soften blows from coronavirus and downgrades

The Federal Reserve will will buy shares in exchange traded funds that own high-yield bonds © REUTERS

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The Federal Reserve has jolted credit markets by expanding the scope of its support measures, announcing plans to buy debt issued by riskier companies in a radical addition to its crisis-fighting toolkit.

The Fed will not purchase high-yield bonds directly, but will buy shares in exchange traded funds that own the debt and seek to track the market. Thursday’s announcement sparked the biggest rally in the asset class since the 2008 financial crisis.

The move adds a new dimension to the central bank’s efforts to buttress the US economy, which already include buying more highly rated corporate bonds and ETFs. But it means stepping into riskier corners of a market that most investors thought would remain off-limits to the US central bank, reflecting the scale of the coronavirus threat to markets and economies.

“It is both shocking and almost amazing,” said Peter Tchir, chief macro strategist at Academy Securities. “I like it a lot because they are getting ahead of the curve.”

The high-yield market, often referred to as “junk”, encompasses the debt issued by lower-rated, riskier companies that are more exposed to deteriorating economic conditions stemming from the viral outbreak and the collapse in oil prices.

In response to the Fed’s move on Thursday, the biggest high-yield bond ETF — run by BlackRock, which is also administering the Fed’s bond purchases — jumped by more than 7 per cent, on course for its largest one-day move since 2008.

The US central bank also expanded its existing credit facilities, which include the purchases of bonds and ETFs, from a combined $200bn to $750bn. A separate facility will now accept highly rated bonds backed by commercial real estate loans, as well as the safest slice of instruments backed by leveraged loans.

Under the programme, the central bank will buy corporate bonds that were rated triple B minus or above — the threshold for a company’s debt to be considered investment-grade — on March 22. That still includes bonds from recently downgraded companies such as Ford, known as “fallen angels” when they lose their coveted investment-grade ratings.

Seema Shah, chief strategist at Principal Global Investors, said the Fed’s intervention would provide some “welcome relief” to the still-stressed market. The yield on Ford’s $1.8bn bond maturing in 2031 dropped from almost 13 per cent to 9.3 per cent after the announcement, as its price recovered.

“Fears about how the high-yield market would absorb the wave of oncoming ‘fallen angels’ have been weighing heavily on the market,” said Ms Shah.

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Some analysts, bankers and private equity executives had been pushing for the Fed to throw a lifeline to corporate debt rated below investment grade, arguing that without the central bank’s support, many large employers could go bust.

Nonetheless, the expansion of the Fed’s crisis-fighting toolkit to encompass riskier debt — including debt issued by companies owned by private equity firms — will be controversial. One investment industry insider argued it was tantamount to an indirect bailout of the private equity industry.

“If you think people were upset about bailing out banks where the CEOs were making $50m a year, how are they going to feel about bailing out private equity firms where the CEOs make $500m a year?” said another investor.

Some investors in the municipal bond market also chafed at the Fed’s initiative, saying the central bank had not yet gone far enough to support states and cities.

The Fed announced on Thursday that it would purchase up to $500bn of short-term notes from states and some counties and cities in an attempt to shore up their funding, but stopped short of supporting longer-dated municipal bonds.

“To buy high-yield bonds and not [longer-dated] munis is not fair,” said Vikram Rai, head of municipal strategy at Citigroup. The Fed’s expanded effort to aid the muni market was “a huge disappointment”, he said, adding that the central bank needed to consider buying muni bonds with longer maturities.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979100)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:23 PM
Author: Hairless office

Well fuck my ass Yankeestan is done here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979131)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:32 PM
Author: obsidian racy tank

what's the argument for why the Fed should or shouldn't also buy long-dated munis?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980015)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:36 PM
Author: Hairless office

No confidence in ratings in this environment. Its bad enough with short term paper. Its impossible with long term paper. Its breaks the pricing models theyve built. Simple math.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980044)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:27 PM
Author: Light histrionic immigrant telephone

Funny how these excessively well capitalized banks cannot provide liquidity to the bond market. Maybe it’s because they’re worthless and no one except an entity with no skin like the Fed would be willing to buy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979983)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:33 PM
Author: Hairless office

Guy who doesnt understand model risk. Banks have PST Loss Thresholds and can only endanger 1 quarters worth of planned earnings in a quarter. When there is a market stress event and various loss limits are triggered this triggers mandatory selling across desks as the bank is forced to raise capital to protect against that ultimate PST breach. Thats how you end up with illiquidity. Every head of a Volcker desk has a risk officer he answers too. That risk officer told every desk head to mark to market every position they were long in on March 23 or 24. All the quarterly loss limits were breached that day industry wide. They literally cant go long again until the next quarter or until limits are adjusted by board action. At this point no bank is playing with bank money. Its all facility money.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980021)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 7:39 PM
Author: Magical windowlicker

BBBRRRRRRRRRR

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39979226)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:33 PM
Author: Flesh low-t mad-dog skullcap reading party

Disband the fed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980019)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 9:40 PM
Author: zippy travel guidebook brunch

I don’t think I’ve ever made this much money in two weeks (albeit after losing an even bigger fuckton).

I love it and this its great policy because I’m not a moralizing retarded faggot and understand what happens when fixed costs meet $0 revenue for a massive number of US businesses

Also they’re debt that becomes junk because of a freak pandemic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980066)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:03 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle parlor

What if the government just gave you a million dollars? We could all be rich!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980221)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:18 PM
Author: Rose irate church building cuckold

What did you buy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980326)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:22 PM
Author: zippy travel guidebook brunch

Soxl, SPXL, and very short dated spy calls now that premiums are down a bit. Pure gambling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980355)



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Date: April 9th, 2020 10:28 PM
Author: exhilarant salmon national security agency community account

Exactly right. The Fed should be doing anything they can to soften the effect of the shock caused by the shutdown. A liquidity crunch followed by widespread bankruptcies helps no one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4503633&forum_id=2#39980396)