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Least competitive sport than can help you get into an Ivy?
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:17 PM Author: Hateful buck-toothed deer antler milk rowing? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506641) |
Date: June 27th, 2020 7:23 PM Author: Rose prole depends. If youre Asian, they just want to see that you arent a robot. So teamsport would be better. I'd say the least competitive is lacrosse, at most schools those guys are B or C level athletes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506671) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:50 PM Author: insecure dilemma almost moronically untrue. Laxers at Ivy league schools have had sticks in their hands since they were 5 years old. And Ivies are nationally competitive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506792) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:57 PM Author: Rose prole He said to help get into an Ivy, not to play for an Ivy League team. Asians are seen as robotic and succeeding in a team sport would set them apart, even if they weren't good enough to play in college.
And at most high schools lacrosse guys are shit athletes. |
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Date: June 29th, 2020 9:54 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage if you're not playing for the team the sport doesn't help you in lol
what kind of asian are you? |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:52 PM Author: Black address ivy lax is very good. not 'kinda sorta good' like yale won a national title, was the national runner up last year and was top 5 this year. 3 of the top 5 programs were ivy and half of the conference was top 20 before covid.
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:57 PM Author: insecure dilemma Ivy Lax just jumped up bigtime in past few years. 5/10 years ago ACC schools had *much* better athletes. That's changed.
Wonder how that happened, if there was conscious relaxing of some academic standards |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:58 PM Author: Black address im a bit 'in the know' but the president shift at harvard and particularly yale created a seismic shift in the sports arms race. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506849) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:01 PM Author: insecure dilemma I will take that as a yes haha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506859) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:38 PM Author: Black address somewhat. there is something called the academic index that basically is a system that split the league into tier so say a Yale couldn't let too many 1100 mo athletes. and as you went "down" the index the numbers got lower so that a cornell could feasibly have a football team with, say, 5 900mos out of 50 recruited. But the equivalent Yalemo would be an 1100mo.
the index was based on average class numbers so you couldnt have more than X number of people who were below the 25% percentile. that's oversimplifying but that's how it worked.
Rudenstine and Dick Levin at Harvard and Yale agreed "this academic index thing is nice, how about we don't use it at all and basically ignore it. no sports recruiting at all is perfectly fine for us because we're the kind of people who dont like sports anyways. amirite?" So Harvard and Yale, in net effect, decided to not field competitive teams and cede that ground to Princeton and Penn. Harvard changes presidential leadership and Summers continues forward with same. Once Peter Salovey becomes Yale president he was famous on campus for going to watch his students play sports, perform plays, etc and basically being an overall great dude. he finds out about this gentlemen's agreement and says "yeah we wont be doing that" and off the races. Yale wins a national hockey title about a year later and the rest of the league decides to catch up to where Penn and Princeton already was and Harvard kinda was already since they had abandoned the notion earlier. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:41 PM Author: 180 theater jap cr
i have a friend who was a D1 AA in lacrosse
wanted to go to Princeton, but was told flat out he had to get some score on the SAT. It was either 1250 or 1300. I think he ended up with a 1220 or something. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:44 PM Author: Black address right. you have to get a number in the academic index that matches your school's allotment. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507054) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:47 PM Author: 180 theater jap my HS girlfriend was a D3 athlete, and we ended up dating for some of her college life. she went to a very academic D3 school.
she had a friend who was on her team who was valedictorian of her HS and got 1560 on her SAT -- wanted to go to Harvard and play there. harvard basically told her that she could either apply "gen pop" or "sport", and that she should do gen pop because she wasn't a national recruit for her sport and thus would actually have WORSE odds trying to go through the sports route.
i always thought that was odd, but who am i to quibble. jewish girl, too. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:54 PM Author: insecure dilemma sounds like the girl wasn't good enough to get coach's support at Harvard
I've dated SEVERAL D3 athlete chicks |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:56 PM Author: 180 theater jap exactly
ex-gf was such a great chick; so good in bed too |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:56 PM Author: Black address this is a possible scenario. or sometimes the coach (and i dont think this happens now since there are really no more autoadmits except for race based stuff) would go "apply gen pop because you will get in and then i don't have to waste an academic index slot on you and still fill a need" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507100) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:03 PM Author: 180 theater jap yeah
btw, how is practice going? if i get a NJ matter i will send it your way. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:12 PM Author: Black address it's coming along. we have enough work here to weather the storm for awhile. i do a mixed bag. PI/med mal/municipal. i was pounding the pavement for traffic tickets solo for a little bit as a "moonlight" before going to a firm. we do a bunch of everything and our med mal and pi carries the weight.
i figure i finish 2 years or so here and then reassess. the reality is i would rather go solo. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:13 PM Author: 180 theater jap nothing wrong with getting some experience and paying the bills.
do you get a cut if you bring something in? |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:17 PM Author: Black address it's black boxed. you get "credit", but who knows what that means to be honest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507189) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:18 PM Author: 180 theater jap ok, well look if i get something that can help you out i will send it over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507194) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:28 PM Author: Black address 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507240) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:29 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage yeah, sounds like a "thanks but no thanks" situation. coaches love academic stars since they make things way easier for recruits on the lower end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507242) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:34 PM Author: insecure dilemma In one notorious example, Tommy Amaker got some JV basketball player with high academics admitted to Harvard as an athletic recruit to balance out the dumb nigs he got accepted. When the JV kid showed up, Amaker told him he would not be on the team, and I believe the university retroactively change the recruiting announcement to remove his name. Kid still got into Harvard so I guess it worked out all around. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507266) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 1:17 AM Author: provocative wild theater stage the recruiting announcement thing seems pretty fucking shady. why wouldn't the other ivy coaches smash him for this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40508379) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 1:46 AM Author: insecure dilemma is it worth it? it's not really against the rules, just kind of scummy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40508507) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 1:54 AM Author: provocative wild theater stage because you're supposed to play the fucking game, otherwise harvard would be fucking duke. that's a blatant gaming of the rules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40508530) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:47 PM Author: insecure dilemma Yeah, that's pretty common. I'm familiar with the academic index. From what I understand there's a minimum level any Ivy League school can take for any athlete (something like a 1050 SAT maybe) and the rest is basically that the average of the athletes has to be within 1 SD of the student body. They dip the lowest for star players in bball, fball, hockey, and require scores closer to other students for crew, fencing type shit.
I'm pretty sure some of Yale's success started under Levin. Perhaps he just let hockey lower its standards in exchange for higher ones in other sports, and that's how they won the title in 2015. Because hockey you need to dip a lot academically. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:59 PM Author: Black address bingo.
hockey basically got good incidentally under levin, but salovey dissolved the practice.
hockey is also a different animal because at that time a lot of the recruits were canadian hockey juniors who were like 20 or 21 as frosh. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:49 PM Author: insecure dilemma Where did your friend end up? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507080) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:57 PM Author: 180 theater jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507104) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:58 PM Author: insecure dilemma ok, legit player then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507110) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:02 PM Author: 180 theater jap i mean, he was 1st team all-american in college. not sure how much more legit he could be (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507126) |
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Date: June 29th, 2020 12:29 AM Author: provocative wild theater stage what was the answer to this? duke? uva? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40513199) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:21 PM Author: sticky masturbator what if you're a hapa male (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507207) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:21 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage (guy who knows less than nothing above ivy athlete admissions) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507209) |
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Date: June 29th, 2020 9:51 PM Author: mint voyeur Lol wtf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40518736) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:57 PM Author: Black address truth is a 'good' football player in HS who is academically competitive can academic index into a lower ivy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506838) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:14 PM Author: lemon pervert this is cr
wrestling as well for similar reasons. available at pretty much every HS and dead easy to get recruited for |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:16 PM Author: 180 theater jap perhaps, though the lower ivies (Cornell, Penn) are far more competitive in wrestling (esp Cornell), and Yale, Columbia and Dartmouth don't have teams (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507184) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:28 PM Author: Black address pretty sure columbia has a team.
yale at one point fielded a national level club program and dartmouth had a "club" club. speaking anecdotally, of course.
other than men's gymnastics, no other sport had been decimated by title ix like wrestling.
also the idea that someone could "be okay" and get into an EIWA program does not reflect reality.
this thread is wild, brother.
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:30 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage ivy athletes tend to be national stars in pretty much every sport except football and basketball. the nerds in this thread are all insane. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507247) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:37 PM Author: insecure dilemma sure, just "start" laxing as a 10th grader and get into Yale, nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507285) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:38 PM Author: Black address guys at my hs did it all the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507289) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:58 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage ? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507391) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:34 PM Author: 180 theater jap oops yes columbia has a team, my bad.
and yes, wrestling is not an easy sport for ivy admission, especially at the lower end of the ivy spectrum
in any event, 2 fewer schools to soak up recruits makes a difference |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:31 PM Author: excitant reading party Princeton has a strong program with legit title contenders. Columbia has the only weak program. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507250) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:35 PM Author: 180 theater jap (Greg Parker) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507280) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:40 PM Author: Black address related. i ran into the princeton head coach in asbury park a couple of months ago. i only knew who he was because he was HEAD TO TOE in princeton wrestling gear. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507298) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:42 PM Author: excitant reading party Glory was on par with any non spencer lee 125er this year. Kolodzik was a contender. Monday and Brucki looked like AAs. One of my hs teammates wrestled there back in the day when the program was weaker. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507313) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:46 PM Author: 180 theater jap wrestling has become a more upwardly mobile sport, especially in the NE
poor Spencer Lee. Iowa seems destined to never have a 4-timer |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:56 PM Author: excitant reading party They’re gonna destroy people this coming season, if there is a season (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507375) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:58 PM Author: 180 theater jap God willing. I fucking DESPISE Bael Sanderson (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507393) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:03 PM Author: excitant reading party Lol I know. I like a couple of his wrestlers but I won’t mind Iowa beating their ass. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507412) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:12 PM Author: 180 theater jap same. i liked Zain and Nolf, but most of them i couldn't stand, like Taylor, Ruth, Hall, etc
i never cheered harder than when Bubba planted David Taylor in the NCAA finals. poetic justice, especially given what Bael did to Bubba. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:29 PM Author: excitant reading party The bubba Taylor finals was a peak experience
I liked nickall. I like lee on the current team. Rby is fun as hell to watch. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:30 PM Author: 180 theater jap i hated nickal. such a weird autist (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507535) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:30 PM Author: excitant reading party That’s why I liked him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507539) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:30 PM Author: 180 theater jap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507543) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 1:54 AM Author: insecure dilemma Haven't watched a ton of college wrestling but I did watch "Alex and Eli" on BTN.
I had heard these guys were all MAGA types and then I found out a bunch of the former college wrestling stars cucked by criticizing a company because someone there posted the truth about BLM |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:53 PM Author: Black address jersey catholic schools are becoming grappling factories. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507356) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:56 PM Author: excitant reading party Word. Jersey wrestling in general has gotten much better in the last 20 years. It’s not just Blair anymore. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507380) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:59 PM Author: Black address early 00s bergen catholic football changed all those programs and all the downstream sports at the rival schools forever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507395) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:07 PM Author: excitant reading party Suriano strikes me as kind of an ass from what I can tell watching him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507422) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:09 PM Author: Black address nah man nicky the bro is a good kid. he just likes playing hand games which piss people off. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507426) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:10 PM Author: excitant reading party Dude is tough no doubt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507430) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:16 PM Author: Unhinged fanboi Wrestling? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507186) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:35 PM Author: excitant reading party Ivy wrestling is legit D1 competition. Cornell Is a national power. Princeton had 6 national qualifiers. Penn and Harvard regularly produce AAs. You could be a hs state champ and ne ver crack the lineup at all except maybe Columbia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507275) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:38 PM Author: 180 theater jap maybe Brown too (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507290) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:44 PM Author: excitant reading party Yeah maybe. They were ok last year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507322) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:57 PM Author: red filthpig becky Sailing
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:00 PM Author: Black address this is the correct answer. But access to corinthian sailing is so self selecting to be ridiculous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506852) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:01 PM Author: Ruby motley school cafeteria sailing isn't a real college sport though unless its a dogwhistle for dynastic family wealth, which they'll figure out from the rest of the application. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506857) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:57 PM Author: soul-stirring mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506843) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 7:58 PM Author: Ruby motley school cafeteria lax or football probably (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40506844) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:35 PM Author: supple obsidian degenerate squash (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507013) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:53 PM Author: insecure dilemma actually this is probably cr
lol at someone trying to start lax in high school and thinking you can even get to D3 level let alone Ivy |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:44 PM Author: confused step-uncle's house thats a pretty competitive sport brah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507323) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 8:38 PM Author: lake alcoholic native ceo beefy midwestern white dudes who can fill space on the oline (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507029) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:15 PM Author: Swollen gunner pocket flask (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507179) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:19 PM Author: Unhinged fanboi My high school had a rowing facility, a squash court, and water polo team that I never had anything to do with. Looking back, that should have been a sign.
Also, for chicks, sports like golf are probably the way to go. |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:19 PM Author: Spectacular giraffe womens golf (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507200) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:20 PM Author: soul-stirring mediation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507203) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:42 PM Author: odious disrespectful resort (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507309) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:43 PM Author: confused step-uncle's house fencing seems pretty uncompetitive and limited to a niche group (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40507319) |
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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:53 PM Author: infuriating box office this is really just a roundabout way of asking: what is the 'least competitive' sport where Ivy League schools field a varsity team.
the scandal with lori loughlin et al makes it pretty clear that just getting 'recruited athlete' put in your file confers a decent advantage for pushing marginal maybe yes/maybe no candidates through the admissions office, even when the head coach probably won't realllllly lean into administrators on behalf of your candidacy because, for instance, you don't actually play their sport at all.
every ivy makes a pretty big show of fielding basically EVERY div I sport, except that a couple don't wrestle and a couple don't do ice hockey. and (although the recent admin scandal might change things) historically they all definitely gave a fuck about how their school performed in sport overall--cumulative ivy championships are a bragging point even when they come in things like girls LAX and anything where the ivies accept they'll never be competitive with 'big time' NCAA programs.
if you look like you have what it takes to be a standout or well above average on an ivy team and get your resume/highlight reel/whatever in front of the head coach they'll definitely expend some capital to make sure your file gets its 'best' possible look from the adcoms. knew two girls from my sister HS/other top (co-ed) private HS in my city who both punched well above their weight in admissions: had 'plausible' grades/SATs, middling ECs (for top 15 ugs) but were both top 10ish girls golfers in the state. I think the answer to the OP's question is that, numerically, the 'best' shot at a boost comes from becoming an above average player in the least played sport where your target ivy fields a team--probably squash or fencing. |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 2:03 AM Author: provocative wild theater stage fencing and squash might be gay sports but the absolute best fencing and squash players play for ivies, so i'm not sure that this holds.
i'd probably rather be a pretty good football player with a 1500 SAT. |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 2:21 AM Author: Big range idiot Just be top 1% academically and athletically? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40508602) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 2:25 AM Author: provocative wild theater stage ha, okay, change it to 1400. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40508619) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 4:13 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40510760) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 10:03 PM Author: Misunderstood Histrionic Alpha Public Bath ha, okay. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40512359) |
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Date: June 29th, 2020 9:50 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage fucker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40518727) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 4:15 PM Author: Flirting hyperventilating tattoo has to be womens soccer, which iirc has the highest number of college scholarship teams of any bullshit sport (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40510770) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 5:35 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage lol women's crew has 20 full scholarships (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40511146) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 10:01 PM Author: Flirting hyperventilating tattoo haha wow holy shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40512357) |
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Date: June 28th, 2020 10:42 PM Author: provocative wild theater stage many of them row for the first time when they get to college. it's just an title 9 equalizer sport. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40512590) |
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Date: June 29th, 2020 9:52 PM Author: Saffron stimulating lodge squash, rowing, basically any sport that only boarding schools are competitive in that exist at the college level (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40518741) |
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Date: June 29th, 2020 9:56 PM Author: Diverse nursing home (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571656&forum_id=2#40518763) |