Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale (NYT)
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:02 AM
Author: :.::>>:;..;:>>.:.:>.;>:>>
Its decision to carry on in the face of the pandemic has yielded a surge of deaths without sparing its economy from damage — a red flag as the United States and Britain move to lift lockdowns.
By Peter S. Goodman
July 7, 2020
LONDON — Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.
This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
The results of Sweden’s experience are relevant well beyond Scandinavian shores. In the United States, where the virus is spreading with alarming speed, many states have — at President Trump’s urging — avoided lockdowns or lifted them prematurely on the assumption that this would foster economic revival, allowing people to return to workplaces, shops and restaurants.
In Britain, Prime Minister Boris Johnson — previously hospitalized with Covid-19 — reopened pubs and restaurants last weekend in a bid to restore normal economic life.
Implicit in these approaches is the assumption that governments must balance saving lives against the imperative to spare jobs, with the extra health risks of rolling back social distancing potentially justified by a resulting boost to prosperity. But Sweden’s grim result — more death, and nearly equal economic damage — suggests that the supposed choice between lives and paychecks is a false one: A failure to impose social distancing can cost lives and jobs at the same time.
Sweden put stock in the sensibility of its people as it largely avoided imposing government prohibitions. The government allowed restaurants, gyms, shops, playgrounds and most schools to remain open. By contrast, Denmark and Norway opted for strict quarantines, banning large groups and locking down shops and restaurants.
More than three months later, the coronavirus is blamed for 5,420 deaths in Sweden, according to the World Health Organization. That might not sound especially horrendous compared with the more than 129,000 Americans who have died. But Sweden is a country of only 10 million people. Per million people, Sweden has suffered 40 percent more deaths than the United States, 12 times more than Norway, seven times more than Finland and six times more than Denmark.
The elevated death toll resulting from Sweden’s approach has been clear for many weeks. What is only now emerging is how Sweden, despite letting its economy run unimpeded, has still suffered business-destroying, prosperity-diminishing damage, and at nearly the same magnitude of its neighbors.
Sweden’s central bank expects its economy to contract by 4.5 percent this year, a revision from a previously expected gain of 1.3 percent. The unemployment rate jumped to 9 percent in May from 7.1 percent in March. “The overall damage to the economy means the recovery will be protracted, with unemployment remaining elevated,” Oxford Economics concluded in a recent research note.
This is more or less how damage caused by the pandemic has played out in Denmark, where the central bank expects that the economy will shrink 4.1 percent this year, and where joblessness has edged up to 5.6 percent in May from 4.1 percent in March.
In short, Sweden suffered a vastly higher death rate while failing to collect on the expected economic gains.
The coronavirus does not stop at national borders. Despite the government’s decision to allow the domestic economy to roll on, Swedish businesses are stuck with the same conditions that produced recession everywhere else. And Swedish people responded to the fear of the virus by limiting their shopping — not enough to prevent elevated deaths, but enough to produce a decline in business activity.
Here is one takeaway with potentially universal import: It is simplistic to portray government actions such as quarantines as the cause of economic damage. The real culprit is the virus itself. From Asia to Europe to the Americas, the risks of the pandemic have disrupted businesses while prompting people to avoid shopping malls and restaurants, regardless of official policy.
Sweden is exposed to the vagaries of global trade. Once the pandemic was unleashed, it was certain to suffer the economic consequences, said Mr. Kirkegaard, the economist.
“The Swedish manufacturing sector shut down when everyone else shut down because of the supply chain situation,” he said. “This was entirely predictable.”
What remained in the government’s sphere of influence was how many people would die.
“There is just no questioning and no willingness from the Swedish government to really change tack, until it’s too late,” Mr. Kirkegaard said. “Which is astonishing, given that it’s been clear for quite some time that the economic gains that they claim to have gotten from this are just nonexistent.”
Norway, on the other hand, was not only quick to impose an aggressive lockdown, but early to relax it as the virus slowed, and as the government ramped up testing. It is now expected to see a more rapid economic turnaround. Norway’s central bank predicts that its mainland economy — excluding the turbulent oil and gas sector — will contract by 3.9 percent this year. That amounts to a marked improvement over the 5.5 percent decline expected in the midst of the lockdown.
Sweden’s laissez faire approach does appear to have minimized the economic damage compared with its neighbors in the first three months of the year, according to an assessment by the International Monetary Fund. But that effect has worn off as the force of the pandemic has swept through the global economy, and as Swedish consumers have voluntarily curbed their shopping anyway.
Researchers at the University of Copenhagen gained access to credit data from Danske Bank, one of the largest in Scandinavia. They studied spending patterns from mid-March, when Denmark put the clamps on the economy, to early April. The pandemic prompted Danes to reduce their spending 29 percent in that period, the study concluded. During the same weeks, consumers in Sweden — where freedom reigned — reduced their spending 25 percent.
Strikingly, older people — those over 70 — reduced their spending more in Sweden than in Denmark, perhaps concerned that the business-as-usual circumstances made going out especially risky.
Collectively, Scandinavian consumers are expected to continue spending far more robustly than in the United States, said Thomas Harr, global head of research at Danske Bank, emphasizing those nations’ generous social safety nets, including national health care systems. Americans, by contrast, tend to rely on their jobs for health care, making them more cautious about their health and their spending during the pandemic, knowing that hospitalization can be a gateway to financial calamity.
“It’s very much about the welfare state,” Mr. Harr said of Scandinavian countries. “You’re not as concerned about catching the virus, because you know that, if you do, the state is paying for health care.”
Peter S. Goodman is a London-based European economics correspondent. He was previously a national economic correspondent in New York. He has also worked at The Washington Post as a China correspondent, and was global editor in chief of the International Business Times. @petersgoodman
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:00 PM Author: setstein
NYT is likely one of the most fake news sources in the USA, and with WP, CNN, MSNBC etc etc the competition is fierce.
About 10 US states have more deaths per million than Sweden. New Jersey and New York each have well over 3x and Connecticut and Massachusetts well over 2x the Swedish rates. 5 more states have significantly >1x.
Where the Swedes failed was in not taking care of the elderly by protecting them from contaminated care and service personnel. Had they done a decent amount of that the Swedish rate would have been well below the US average. But compared to the entire US East Coast the Swedish numbers are very moderate.
The deaths/infected rate is largely unknown everywhere. What counts is finally only the all causes deaths/population rate, and that will gradually be revealed.
The no of Swedish Covid deaths are sinking rapidly, and the boycott by neighbours will not last long.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:34 AM
Author: ;,;,;;;,;,;,,,;,;;;,;,,;;;;;,;, ( ππΊπ©π»π€)
The Times lies about the numbers in a brazen and evil way
This has been threaded
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:35 AM
Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,::,....,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,.
i don't even bother with the NYT anymore after the millennial staffers soiled their diapers and threw a shitfit over being required to pretend to be objective and tell all sides of a controversial issue.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:41 AM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:42 AM Author: Bistro point (ggtp)
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington.
LOL so months of freedom and normal living is "nothing" if it doesn't show up in a GDP number. Fuck these guys.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:45 AM
Author: ;,;,;;;,;,;,,,;,;;;,;,,;;;;;,;, ( ππΊπ©π»π€)
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:08 AM
Author: ,..,..,.,,.,....,....,,,.....,....
MFCR
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:22 AM
Author: ......;,;.,;,,.,;,.,;,.;;,.,;,..,.,;,.,.;,
Brutal
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Date: July 8th, 2020 9:56 AM
Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. ( π¦)
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Date: July 8th, 2020 9:56 AM
Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. ( π¦)
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:45 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 7:07 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:46 AM
Author: ,,.,..,,.,,.,.,:,,:,...,:::,.,.,:,.,,:.,:.,:.::..
Sweden: 10 million people, 5,420 deaths
NYC: 9 million people, 35,000 deaths
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:56 AM
Author: ;,;,;;;,;,;,,,;,;;;,;,,;;;;;,;, ( ππΊπ©π»π€)
Trump Said Pussy
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:08 AM
Author: ,..,..,.,,.,....,....,,,.....,....
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:26 AM
Author: .,.,....,.,.,.,:,:,...,:::,....,:,.,.:...,:.::,.
that's ny state (pop 20m), but yeah
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:48 AM
Author: .;.;..;;..;;..,.................,;.,.,.,.,.,;.
now take into account density, you stupid piece of shit
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Date: July 8th, 2020 6:49 PM
Author: .,.,.,.,.,...,.,,.,,.....,.,..,.,,...,.,.,,...,. ( π)
so NY city fags like you, pencil, don't know how to STAY THE FUCK HOME?!
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Date: July 8th, 2020 9:20 AM
Author: ,..,..,.,,.,....,....,,,.....,....
wow so this is all OBama's fault (Obamacare)
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:36 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,.........
Lol I'm sure the expose on NYC is next on the times agenda.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 2:42 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:23 PM Author: setstein
Reasons:
even worse care of the elderly
less healthy population
racially inferior population
bad healthcare for poors
NJ /NYC hysteria vs rational Swedes
NJ/NYC celebrating all deaths as ‘bad for Trump’
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:56 PM
Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,,,,,,
blacks are 99% of those 35k deaths
real white numbers
Sweden: 10 million people, 5,420 deaths
NYC: 9 million people, 1,342 deaths
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Date: July 8th, 2020 9:57 AM
Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. ( π¦)
Protip: everyone's death numbers are the sick and old. That's what this disease is and it is also why no one should care about it (other than olds and sick people).
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:07 AM Author: ,...,.,..,..
Yes.
There are some sure poker-tells in public debate. Talking about Swedish deaths without acknowledging that it packs seniors in centers far more than other Euro countries and that their seniors died massively in those centers is one of them.
When the article debates Sweden and doesn't talk about that, the author is deceiving you.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 12:12 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 12:26 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 7:08 PM
Author: ;,;,;;;,;,;,,,;,;;;,;,,;;;;;,;, ( ππΊπ©π»π€)
But even with that Sweden did far better
Crazy how evil libs are
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:22 AM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 10:26 AM
Author: ......,,,,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,,,.
They killed off way more old people which is what they wanted to do.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 7:05 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 7:07 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 7:18 PM
Author: ;,;,;;;,;,;,,,;,;;;,;,,;;;;;,;, ( ππΊπ©π»π€)
Jfc
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Date: July 8th, 2020 7:44 PM
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Date: July 8th, 2020 8:31 PM Author: prince
ur a fucking idiot, no offense.
its obvious because of covid shutdowns that all those gdp numbers are in the red, and clearly sweden in the green because of no shut down.
q2 will not be more interesting, it will just highlight an even bigger difference and those gdp numbers will be much worse for all other countries.
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Date: July 8th, 2020 9:12 PM
Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.../.,,
no it’s a reasonable point. sweden is levered to its trading partners (the other nordic countries and germany mainly). plus swedes have begun social distancing on their own apparently
that’s why i pointed out the stuff about fy2020
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