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Who believes the United States is a country on stolen Indian land?
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:02 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: Taken from them by white European settlers? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575058) |
Date: July 9th, 2020 3:04 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. this is true of every country, as it was true for the indians in 1492 who stole that shit by murdering previous inhabitants.
answer isnt to claim legitimacy, its to keep killing. Libs get this |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:05 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: But did the Indians really steal it? They were the native people of the land now occupied by the United States. That's why they have reservations. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575087) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:07 PM Author: ;..;.;;;.;;.;.;.;;;.;;;.;.;;;....;. Until they prove that they did not steal it, we have to presume they did (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575100) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:07 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. dont have any of the links handy, but there were successive waves of migration over tens of thousands of years down from the strait, and for sure those with better weapons and tools merked the more primitives.
the people the first europeans encountered were far from the first arrivals. matter of fact, boundaries were so contested even as the euros arrived that it was easy to divide and conquer |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:08 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... Yes, they'd been here battling each other for thousands of years. The for eg Comanche displaced and brutalized their enemies.
In any event small pox basically liquidated the native population. They were doomed. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:09 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: So they way we get around saying the United States is on land stolen by white Europeans from Indians, is that all land was stolen from another group at one time or another? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575117) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:11 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. in theory, it is to ask why are we starting the clock at 1491? why not give the land back to the tribes who held it in 500AD or 1500 BC or whenever?
in actuality, it's not a good faith argument. Libs are just engaging you while they do their own genocide and steal the land. Don't answer, just have babies and fuck libs |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:12 PM Author: :.::>>:;..;:>>.:.:>.;>:>> so why aren't you pro-open borders? what's the difference between modern immigrants and European settlers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575155) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:14 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. because I recognize the only way to control land is by force. europeans have no "right" to north america, neither do whatever passes for "native american".
Use every tool at your disposal to steal it back from euros and we will use every tool at our disposal to maintain control
if we really stop having babies, well then we deserve to lose |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:15 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: Do Europeans have a right to Europe? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575199) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:17 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. so long as they can hold it.
long story short, I dont believe in "rights" |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:20 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: So 'nations' are just made up things which are more like just a set of rules that govern a given area. And people who call themselves "Europeans" because they're literally native to Europe, don't actually have a "right" to live in their native land and if Chinks came in and wiped them out with coronavirus, that's just how the cookie crumbles? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575228) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:23 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. "literally native to europe".... see, they are not. It would be like if you left your kitchen sink running while on vacation and it slowly flooded the whole house.
"But this water is NATIVE to the bedroom!"
No. As people spread everywhere (whether from one point of origin or twelve), they evolved differently based on whatever pressures they were facing. Sometimes these differences gave advantages when travel tech improved, sometimes disadvantages.
Id be the last to champion european supremacy when it appears euros evolved some suicidal susceptibility to lib religion, which will ultimately ensure our loss.
But no, the bedroom belongs to whoever can take and hold it. Always has, always will. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:26 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: But the native people of Africa are African. Groups did emerge and settle into areas, their native areas, and identify with them. I don't understand how you're denying a basic fact of reality. Native American, Native European, Native African. This "flow" of human migration was the first time people ever went to a land, so it could not have been taken. Once things settled, that's when theft and conquer began.
America was formed during a time of European competition for colonies and riches from around the world to siphon wealth back to Europe. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:31 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. isnt it odd that things "settled" five minutes before europe had good enough boats to travel across oceans?
why did it settle then? Why not say it settled in 1945?
im no anthropologist, but I guess I dont buy your thesis that everyone spread to virgin lands and then somehow inextricably rooted themselves there. I like my running-sink metaphor better. People were always moving, even at the neighborhood level. The Johnsons had 12 boys and so eventually started dominating that region of farms. Too bad for the Millers who had three surviving daughters |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:33 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: They were there way before 1945. Everyone was where they were way before 1945. They were there since humanity started migrating out of Africa. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575334) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:37 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. we won't agree, but I think you fall into a fallacy that evolution (or human migration) somehow stopped or had a moment of final definition, rather than the ebbs and tides of constant migration, admixture, warfare, each family or tribe or "race" battling like fuck to have another baby, breath another breathe
where I differ from white nationalists is that I agree there is no "white", no "european". There are just temporary victories of one genetic expression |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:41 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: Nation-states have been the most recent evolution and they seem to work well, though now you're seeing bigger things like the EU, and maybe one day we will have a world government or something.
But nation-states work pretty well. In any case, that doesn't mean there wasn't a phase where groups violently displaced other groups and took their native territory. The US was never a European territory - there were never any Europeans there until one day they sailed boats across and set up colonies like kids set up lemonade stands. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:34 PM Author: Supple hideous jap There used to be dozens of distinct groups in Africa. The Bantu have been slowly wiping the other groups out of existence and taking their land. There are entire genetic populations from Africa that have been completely wiped out and no longer exist even as admixture to another group. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575343) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:24 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... Sure. The fiction of rule of law is just that. At the end of the day might is right. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575260) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:27 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: So China = right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575282) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:31 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... Yes, if we don't like it then we can do something about it. It's like the line how war is just an extension of diplomacy.
Go back a thousand years and tell the Mongols they're breaking international law. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:35 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: "might" has nothing to do with morality and can't "make right" In fact, it's usually used for wrong. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575349) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:43 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) Yeah, and wtf does that actually mean in practical terms? HK is now China, no one is doing shit, and they won. Full stop. All you can do is cry about it but your tears are irrelevant. You can't even go to HK and publicly cry about it because you'll get arrested and end up in a gulag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575402) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:11 PM Author: ;;;.;..;;;.. (luis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576226) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:41 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) Practically, yes. Hong Kong is just like any other part of China now. A lot of us realized it was going there, exactly because China had might on their side.
Everyone else was bleating about "human rights in HK." How did that go? |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:21 PM Author: aurelien Do you believe in "laws"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575238) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:26 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... They're helpful for a regulated society but nature doesn't recognize them. This is a dog eat dog world. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575279) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:27 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: Isn't that precisely why there are laws? You're not making sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575286) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:34 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... Rule of law allowed European societies to function more efficiently and become more productive than their adversaries. But that system was only allowed to exist because they could protect themselves from outside forces. At the end of the day it's a fiction though. It's not recognized by nature. A bear doesn't care about homicide statutes. War is an extension of that survival impetus in humanity. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575347) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:36 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: There is no such thing as Justice either, but does that mean we don't strive for it? Rule of Law is simply a set of rules we agree on, do you not enforce them? They're not perfect but they're all we have. The Bible is fiction too, but what of how you shape your view of the world and what it means to be alive? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575366) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:50 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... History has demonstrated that a society that adheres to rule of law is more successful. Humans also have an innate sense of justice and that's admirable. But it's only useful to the extent it protects your interest. But it is a fiction and at the end of the day nature doesn't give a fuck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575470) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:29 PM Author: .,.,,..,..,.,.,:,,:,...,::,....,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,. It’s also not about the land. Modern invaders want the society we’ve created. Do you think if we relinquished say New Mexico and have it to Illegal immigrants that would do the trick and they’d stay there? Do you think American whites could get a land mass entirely to themselves and brown and blank people would stay out? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575304) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: Because that's when white settlers from Europe came and started claiming the land as their own from the native tribes of America.
Your rationale is maybe their ancestors stole the land from someone else, at some point, as has been the case through history so stealing land is fine.
Most likely the native people of America simply spread across the continent as they moved, not having to take land because it wasn't claimed by anyone. It was just their land.
Of course I assume there were native American groups that battled each other, that's not really the point. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:16 PM Author: ....,.,.,.,;,.,;,,,,,,,,,;,;:.:.,,,. this presumes things that are simply not true.
migrants spread south from NW canada down into south america over many thousands of years in a constant flow.
europeans tapped into this flow at one particular moment in time and their victory was not foreordained. Nor is it now.
the entire history of humans and land is like this.
Even IF the redmen encountered in 1492 were "first" (they werent), that doesnt mean shit to me |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:24 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: Every single group in the Americas speaks a European language.
Not all of these native groups (any?) stole the land that they were on. Europeans supplanted them from not only their land, but their culture.
Why do we have to deny this? It's a bad look. I'm not saying we have to give anything back. I'm just saying let's look at the reality of history. Of course America was built by European white guys on land taken by force and imposed European values on the new 'nation'. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:11 PM Author: ;,;,;;;,;,;,,,;,;;;,;,,;;;;;,;, (𓀐𓂺👩🏻🎤) They were in a Constant State of “theft“ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575150) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:14 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: How do you figure? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575184) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:51 PM Author: ;,;,;;;,;,;,,,;,;;;,;,,;;;;;,;, (𓀐𓂺👩🏻🎤) People’s constantly redrawing borders between countries, totally replacing other peoples and forming new countries
Constant “theft” |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... I don't even think we need to go that far. Tragically native Americans were genetically fucked. Small pox was like 80-90% lethal in some communities. It was just a matter of time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575181) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:14 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: A disease spread by Europeans who then took their land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575194) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:20 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... Are you flame? They were nature fucked. Eventually the diseases they were sheltered from for thousands of years were going to find them. Our ancestors paid a heavy price for us to survive them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575232) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:28 PM Author: IronMonkey I don't know if that's "getting around" it, but it's true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575297) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:27 PM Author: IronMonkey Who are "they?" Not all Indians are the same. Indians conquered other Indians and took their land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575291) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:34 PM Author: Guy Debord Yeah, Jesus Christ UJ is being thick in this thread. It is as if he believes there was nation of North America where all Indians lived in harmony together. The different tribes would take land from each other all the time. Take England. Nobody is saying, "Give England back to the Celts or, even better, the Bell Beaker people!"
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:39 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: Lol, obviously Indians has their own battles, but they basically all had their own denoted regions within the US, like the Navajo in the southwest or the Lenni Lenape in the northeast. But they didn't go around on warring quests to take land from the others and impose their language, rules, values and religion.
It's like saying "well all the Europeans were in Europe but they were always fighting. Then the Africans came, converted them all to Islam, imposed sharia Law and wiped out 80 percent of Europeans with a disease they had no immunity to. But it wasn't really "their" land anyway!" |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:47 PM Author: Guy Debord It is only European land until Africans come and take it from them, which they very well might. This is why a nation that wants to survive as a nation has sane immigration restrictions. Again, nobody talks about how the Visigoths displaced the Latins and Celts in Spain and that, therefore, the modern Spanish "stole" the land. It is ridiculous. Europeans came and take the land in North America from disparate, less economically and technologically developed tribes. THIS IS HOW HISTORY HAS ALWAYS WORKED. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:49 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: So you agree, they stole the land. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575451) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:51 PM Author: Guy Debord Sure. But I don't see it as a pejorative thing. It would be like accusing the lion of murder against an antelope. It is the nature of things (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575472) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:52 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575483) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:51 PM Author: IronMonkey "but they basically all had their own denoted regions within the US, like the Navajo in the southwest or the Lenni Lenape in the northeast."
Um, you think that was the same for 10,000 years? There's historical evidence for tribes displacing others. I can't tell if you are flaming or just legit naive/dumb. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:52 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: For 10,000 years? No. At the time of European settlers? Absolutely. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575486) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:54 PM Author: IronMonkey Again, can't tell if flaming or just dumb.
So, if at the time of 2020, we have designated "state" and "national" borders, that means we didn't steal the land from prior inhabitants?
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: Guy Debord That is the point though! Why are you drawing the line at the time of European settlers? Go back 100 years from Europeans landing on these shores and the arrangement of the tribes would be different-- the Iroquois "stole" land from the Leni-Lenape and on and on through time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575508) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... Far from it. They often used whites to settle grudges with native tribes. The Comanche didn't create their empire of rape and pillage until after they managed to capture Spanish horses and so on. These were not Nobel savages. They have done the same to Europeans if the shoe was on the other foot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575510) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:59 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) And indeed, there are numerous stories of them doing some unfathomably barbaric things to settlers they were able to capture (as well as to captured enemy tribes). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575538) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:05 PM Author: .,.,,...,,....,,....,,.,,,,.., Once peace was achieved with the French, the Iroquois returned to their westward conquest in their continued attempt to take control of all the land between the Algonquins and the French. Eastern tribes such as the Lakotas were pushed across the Mississippi onto the Great Plains in the early 18th century, where they adopted the horse culture and nomadic lifestyle for which they later became known. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575563) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:05 PM Author: ~~(> ' ' )> Some people who refuse to leave it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575079) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:06 PM Author: .,,,.,.,..,.,:,..::,,...,:,...,:,.,..:.,:.::,. they didn't farm, build cities, or do anything meaningful with the land. it sort of was just there for the taking. at the time, the indians probably couldn't even prove they were there first. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575095) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:10 PM Author: ~~(> ' ' )> I've literally never heard anyone seriously articulate the basis for their original ownership.
We could think of reasonably bases (e.g., the land they put to beneficial use, the land they defended from others). But you never hear them articulated, probably because doing so would make it obvious that there was a lot of unclaimed land. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:11 PM Author: :.::>>:;..;:>>.:.:>.;>:>> they lived on it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575147) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:12 PM Author: ~~(> ' ' )> On *all* of it?
Obviously not.
That's why no one seriously makes that argument. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:12 PM Author: Live Free or Die. only some of it and only until they died. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575165) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:41 PM Author: birdshitlawguruXII (Poasts are exclusively artistic expression) nature was their farm? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575395) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:11 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: Wooow (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575143) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:19 PM Author: gedood persoon Some of them did (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575225) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:27 PM Author: .,,,.,.,..,.,:,..::,,...,:,...,:,.,..:.,:.::,. ok, Squanto (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575281) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:52 PM Author: gedood persoon https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_Verde_National_Park
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovenweep_National_Monument
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canyons_of_the_Ancients_National_Monument
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Date: July 9th, 2020 5:56 PM Author: .,;,,.;,,.,;,.:.,,;;.;.,.;,;,..,,:,.;;.....:..,.:: uhhh... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576161) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:09 PM Author: .,.,,.,..,.,.,:,,:,..,:::,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,. thats how land works (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575121) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:34 PM Author: Guy Debord (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575340) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:12 PM Author: GnosticBatFraudWang (guy who gets it) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575609) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:10 PM Author: ..........,.,,.,.,..,...,.,.,.... (luis) Yeah. They probably should have done a better job of preventing that from happening. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575139) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:13 PM Author: Live Free or Die. can't steal from the dead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575170) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:15 PM Author: http: What about S. Africa and Israel? Basically hardly anyone living there until someone built a decent community........and then WE ALL WANT IN!!!!!!!!! THIS IS ARE LAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575200) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:19 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) Is there an actual question here? Of course white colonists and Jews which overwhelmingly weren't from Israel that colonized Israel are colonists that took the land by force. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575226) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:21 PM Author: http: they were basically barren lands, brah (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575243) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:25 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) Yeah, that has been the colonial argument since the beginning of time. "The people were barbarians, the land was primitive, we were actually the best thing that ever happened, blah blah blah..." But they could never actually allow real democracy where the natives had a majority because they would immediately all fuck over the colonial rulers. Same with Israel, where the second you give the Palestinians a vote in a unified country is the moment people like you start getting thrown off buildings (because you're Jewish? because you're gay? because you're obnoxious? yes). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575270) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:43 PM Author: .,.,,.,..,.,.,:,,:,,.,:.,.:,...,:,.,.:...:.,:.::,. When Mark Twain visited Palestine he wrote about going days without seeing a single sign of human habitation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575404) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:45 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) Ok, so what? See my China on empty Canadian land example below. Also, Israel doesn't simply consist of "previously barren land." It includes all the previously populated areas too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575421) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:04 PM Author: .,;,,.;,,.,;,.:.,,;;.;.,.;,;,..,,:,.;;.....:..,.:: rofl at this idiocy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576189) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:27 PM Author: Live Free or Die. large parts of s. africa were actually uninhabited when the dutch arrived. some modernity was required to make it reasonably useful which the africans lacked. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575283) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:30 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) Ok, that's a pretty limited scenario ("here's an area that was generally inhabited, but here's a portion of the land that wasn't because technology was required to essentially terraform it into usable space."). Even then, could China show up to uninhabited portions of Canada, deploy technology there and setup shop? It was uninhabited before, right?
In any event, everyone lives on previously conquered land. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 5:58 PM Author: .,;,,.;,,.,;,.:.,,;;.;.,.;,;,..,,:,.;;.....:..,.:: that's flame. the bantu arrived a couple of centuries before the Dutch and inhabited most of the country. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576170) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:18 PM Author: sealclubber stolen? like when they weren't looking? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575218) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:20 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) "Conquered" seems more appropriate than "stolen." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575229) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:04 PM Author: sealclubber (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575556) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:05 PM Author: ,...,.,..,.. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576191) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:22 PM Author: http: i thought we paid them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575245) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:25 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) Some was bought but most was outright conquered. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575271) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:28 PM Author: Live Free or Die. a lot of was treatied away, and then the white man ignored the treaty. basically CGM screaming about contract rights as soldiers marched by (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575294) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:43 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) One big reason for the revolutionary war was that the Brits wanted to more or less abide by treaties and the colonists didn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575409) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:55 PM Author: .......,,....,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. surprised libs don't play this angle harder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575515) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:58 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) Doesn't fit into their narrative. They want the original sin of the country to be against blacks, not American Indians who aren't going to riot, aren't a large voter block, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575531) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:29 PM Author: ..,,.,,.,,.,,.,,.,,,...,,.,.,.,,,,,...,,.,.. of course most white people don't believe that same way 'Christians' can sit and talk about God and Jesus and the Holy Bible but still cool with genocide, displacement, think some people just are deficient and therefore undeserving of human dignity, etc. same people that legit think Jesus would have picked up an AR to patrol the border and would be like "yeah, privatize that fucking water" |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:33 PM Author: Pumonymous Plenty of genocide in the bible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575327) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:33 PM Author: ..........,.,,.,.,..,...,.,.,.... (luis) wow hot take man (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575328) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:25 PM Author: cannon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575687) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:06 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576197) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:37 PM Author: Windsor Canadian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576375) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 7:01 PM Author: .,,...,,...,,...,,...,,...,,... stop posting (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576486) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 8:57 PM Author: ;;;.;..;;;.. (luis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40577049) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:43 PM Author: Guy Debord Whatever ethnicity you are I can almost guarantee your "people" committed genocide and displacement at some point in the past. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575410) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:57 PM Author: Drunkard (Aloha) Christians version is to convert the heathens. That’s a relatively novel concept. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575898) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:38 PM Author: Windsor Canadian Moslems converted conquered people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576379) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:32 PM Author: Pumonymous When are the Scandinavian countries gonna pay reparations to the UK for Viking raids (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575320) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:35 PM Author: Darnell did the injuns even believe in land ownership? if not, how could people who don't believe in owning land own land? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575353) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:40 PM Author: aurelien "The Indian men, when young, are hunters and warriors, when old, counselors; for all their government is by counsel of the sages; there is no force, there are no prisons, no officers to compel obedience, or inflict punishment. Hence they generally study oratory, the best speaker having the most influence. The Indian women till the ground, dress the food, nurse and bring up the children, and preserve and hand down to posterity the memory of public transactions. These employments of men and women are accounted natural and honorable. Having few artificial wants, they have abundance of leisure for improvement by conversation. Our laborious manner of life, compared with theirs, they esteem slavish and base; and the learning, on which we value ourselves, they regard as frivolous and useless." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575385) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:43 PM Author: aurelien This is the life that whites wiped off this continent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575403) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:53 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... Rule for natives; butcher your male enemies, rape their women and capture their children as slaves. It was ubiquitous. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575497) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:01 PM Author: aurelien Rules for non-natives:
Engage in biological warfare to eradicate natives to a small fraction of their number Cheat the rest out of their land successively Wipe out native buffalos to extinction strictly for sport, not even for dietary consumption Fill land and rivers with nuclear waste, dioxin, plastics, xenoestrogens, and assorted carcinogens, reduce testosterone levels and put reproduction at genuine risk Award tenure to feminist and ethnic studies 'scholars' in universities throughout the land.
Let's keep going, brother. Your turn. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:05 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... You got me (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575561) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 8:52 PM Author: .,.....,,.,.,.,,..,,.,......,..,........ We're done here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40577023) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:45 PM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: I remember after they slaughtered an animal, they would pray for its soul and deign to use every single part of it so it would not go to waste.
Imagine. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:51 PM Author: Guy Debord That spirit still lives today. See, e.g., http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=3625387&mc=78&forum_id=2 |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:57 PM Author: Henry Aaron Didn’t they basically burn half the continent and basically make the buffalo go extinct? Oh what noble savages! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575529) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:07 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... There is evidence that buffalo populations were way out of wack because natives fucked up the ecosystem so bad killing off predators and such. They certainly exterminated most of the mega fauna they encountered settling the first wave of the continent. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575575) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:53 PM Author: .......,,....,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. FUCK
Many early white colonists fled to live with the native americans and never came back. No examples of native americans doing the same. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:10 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... That's not true. Entire tribes sought to westernize and many even integrate. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575595) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:17 PM Author: aurelien Is this true? At least early on, that didn't seem to be the case. Ben Franklin, the source of the quote above, also said this:
“When an Indian child has been brought up among us, taught our language and habituated to our customs, yet if he goes to see his relations and makes one Indian ramble with them, there is no persuading him ever to return. [But] when white persons of either sex have been taken prisoners young by the Indians, and lived a while among them, tho’ ransomed by their friends, and treated with all imaginable tenderness to prevail with them to stay among the English, yet in a short time they become disgusted with our manner of life, and the care and pains that are necessary to support it, and take the first good opportunity of escaping again into the woods, from whence there is no reclaiming them.”
Another author from 1782 said:
“thousands of Europeans are Indians, and we have no examples of even one of those Aborigines having from choice become Europeans!” |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:19 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... I thought you were flame. Am i supposed to keep going along? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575657) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:24 PM Author: aurelien I was thinking you are some low IQ schtick, and here we are. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575684) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:29 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... I'm supposed to reply to anecdotal evidence? Biological warfare in colonial America? Did you ever progress past a high school history class? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575699) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:32 PM Author: aurelien wtf man. I took AP US history. That counts as a college class. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575714) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:52 PM Author: ORANGE BOOMER BAD I do not, and I am part indian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575487) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 3:59 PM Author: ,.,.,.,..,.,.,,.,.,.,..,.,.,,.,.,,:.,:.,:.::,. (Zionist mischling poisoning the well) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575537) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:01 PM Author: How to derive aut from ism I'll concede that maybe each of these tribes had a fair claim to a few square miles of land, and maybe we could've let them stay on that much and just settled around them. The idea that all the acreage of the continent was sovereign native territory is absurd though, and we've certainly given to them more than we ever actually took (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575542) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:16 PM Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.; On any given piece of land, nations come and go. Where I sit right now has been under the control of seven different nations, and that was after it was claimed from the Indians.
Spain, France, Scotland, England, Confederate States of America, South Carolina (prior to joining the CSA) and the United States.
Land constantly shifts from nation to nation as it has done since before time. This whole "we stole it from the Indians" idea is pretty weak. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:40 PM Author: buttpenis "Land constantly shifts from nation to nation as it has done since before time"
not busting balls here but explain the since before time part. there were nations before there was time? what period wasn't there time in? dude, this is heavy stuff |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 7:52 PM Author: Pumonymous (hyperliteral autist) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576711) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 8:56 PM Author: .,.....,,.,.,.,,..,,.,......,..,........ Gregorian calendar was introduced in the 16th century (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40577048) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:30 AM Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.; Before recorded history, buff musclestuds have been pumping and dumping their twinks in areas of land that they laid their massive fucksticks across. They did that until a new group of muclestuds with even fatter and girthier meatmallets came all over their aging and flacid pissworms and forced them off that area of lands and stole their sweet nubile twinkbois, with these disgraced flaccid former cockmasters covered in potent cum from the tops of their heads to the deepest crannies of their blown out asses.
It was accepted, at this time, that being dispossessed of your land in this manner was NOT GAY.
This continued until such time as gyms were invented which I believe also was the exact time that time was invented, as there was a necessity to use some sort of unit to measure the time period that one cockGod could stim a twink until the next veiny fuckram could have a turn. Also, the term "o'clock" refers to the sound that a twink ass makes when properly stimmed.
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:32 PM Author: cannon I think the stolen land argument comes up about land granted to the Indians by treaty that we later claimed and took back. But who cares? We could have not given them anything like most of human history. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40575720) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 4:59 PM Author: UhOh the notion that property can be stolen requires a belief in property rights that neither indians nor radical libs have. so this argument is silly and disingenuous.
also, real property cannot be unwillingly "stolen" like personal property. real property must be occupied and it can only be taken from those who fail to defend it. western property law recognizes this to an extent with adverse possession. indians did not recognize claims to territory and fought each other constantly over resources.
so i think it's more accurate to say that the indians lost it than it is to say americans stole it. |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 5:59 PM Author: GnosticBatFraudWang Without capacity for violence, there are no rights (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576172) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 7:24 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576579) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 7:28 PM Author: Metal Up Your Ass XII Anthrax:
Forced out, brave and mighty Stolen land, they can't fight it Hold on to pride and tradition Even though they know How much their lives are really missing We're dissing them On reservations A hopeless situation
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Date: July 9th, 2020 7:54 PM Author: Marty Ackerman everyone was war-ing and conquering other people lands and whatnot back then, nbd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40576717) |
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Date: July 9th, 2020 8:59 PM Author: ,.,.,.,.,.,...,.,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,,,,,, who cares
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Date: July 9th, 2020 9:09 PM Author: nyuug (ITT: what the third world looks sounds and feels like) ITT: what the third world looks sounds and feels like (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580169&forum_id=2,#40577097) |