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Why are boats so fucking expensive?
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Date: July 10th, 2020 9:49 AM Author: ..,..,..,...,,,...,..,.,,.,..,.,, Forget about storage/operating costs, the cost to buy a boat is unreal, yet they are basically a big hunk of plastic with a motor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579052) |
Date: July 10th, 2020 9:50 AM Author: We live in a clown world and I am a clown girl Why are airplanes so expensive, they're just sheets of aluminum foil with a motor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579057) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 9:53 AM Author: ..,..,..,...,,,...,..,.,,.,..,.,, aircraft actually have to do something that is unstable and complicated, i.e. stable flight
boats just have to float - that's accomplished pretty easily - styrofoam floats |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 9:54 AM Author: Live Free or Die. you are stupid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579069) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:04 PM Author: .,.,..,,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,.,..,:,.,.:.:.,:.::,. (🦈) I read this and loled irl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579873) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 9:57 AM Author: We live in a clown world and I am a clown girl You know nothing about boats. They are also basically flying while moving at high speed and need to be stable in rough water. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579095) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:04 AM Author: Judas Jones Just strap a battery-powered fan to a styrofoam block and you have a "boat". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579126) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:05 AM Author: We live in a clown world and I am a clown girl Carve it into the right shape and you also have a "plane" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579128) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:06 AM Author: ..,..,..,...,,,...,..,.,,.,..,.,, Flex Seal can make a boat - I guarantee it can't make an airplane
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=httSHnNXN10 |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:10 AM Author: We live in a clown world and I am a clown girl You can make an airplane out of cloth and toothpicks (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579152) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:11 AM Author: """"""""'' (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579158) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:13 AM Author: Industrial Society and Its Future (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579162) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:20 AM Author: ..........,.,,.,.,..,...,.,.,.... (luis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579188) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:08 PM Author: ;;;.;..;;;.. (luis) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579892) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:40 AM Author: ~~(> ' ' )> I'd actually like to see a real study of aircraft purchase revenue.
If you've ever been around something like a little Cessna, it's laughable how rudimentary they are. There's absolutely no doubt that a $25,000 Honda Civic is vastly more sophisticated than a $400,000 Cessna. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:56 AM Author: We live in a clown world and I am a clown girl The big thing with aircraft is certification and traceability. Every single nut, bolt, washer, and piece of electrical tape has been inspected and tested and has a serial number. You're exactly right about design being fairly simple and static for popular single engine planes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579796) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:58 AM Author: ..........,.,.,......,....,.,...... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579820) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:57 AM Author: ..........,.,.,......,....,.,...... New cessnas are outrageous and they are in a vicious cycle of having to recoup their certification costs with fewer and fewer aircraft sold. Homebuilts are much more affordable since certification isn't an issue anymore. At that point you are paying more for the avionics and engine, two things you cannot lose in a flight (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579809) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:11 PM Author: .....,.,,,,,....,,,.,., you can lose both of those in a small cessna and you will gently glide back to earth and be able to land the plane. i know this, because my flight instructor once turned the engine off and intentionally stalled the plane. he turned to me and said "see how its still fully under control and nothing bad is happening? you will not kill yourself in this plane unless you actively do something stupid." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579909) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:15 PM Author: ..........,.,.,......,....,.,...... You won't die unless you panic. But it's likely the plane will be totaled unless you butter the bread on a highway and manage to avoid trees/cars/powerlines.
You should be fine if your avionics go out especially if you have a tablet backup running Foreflight. But never underestimate the power of the boomer to freak out |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:05 PM Author: The Buzz Aldrin Spacelaw Fellowship Probably liability, insurnace, compliance.
In the 50s, any doctor or lawyer or engineer could buy a Cessna 172 or Beechcraft Bonanza. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:53 AM Author: .,,,.,.,..,.,:,..::,,...,:,...,:,.,..:.,:.::,. just go build your own boat then if it's so simple you dumb faggot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579753) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:56 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy site https://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/wooden-sailboat-kits/Jimmy-Skiff-II.html
It’s actually not that hard. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:57 AM Author: We live in a clown world and I am a clown girl It's actually going to be my winter project this year.
https://www.clcboats.com/shop/strip-planked-kayaks/ |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:04 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy site 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579865) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:04 PM Author: TWO WEEKS AWAY ungh i used to know a chill bro who moved to the cayman islands, married a hot as fuck light skinned WOC with frizzy hair, and built custom 20' wooden kayaks while exploring the crystal clear waters where you could see the seafloor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579867) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:01 PM Author: .,,,.,.,..,.,:,..::,,...,:,...,:,.,..:.,:.::,. (old man fashioning a kayak out of a log) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40580821) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:42 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.;.:.:.,:.::,. Compared to the utility of a boat, airplanes are cheap. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579655) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:46 AM Author: ~~(> ' ' )> Compared to the utility of a car, airplanes are lulzy mega overpriced. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579704) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:03 AM Author: ,..,,,,,,....,,,..., You can get a kayak for $100. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579119) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:20 AM Author: animeboi They're not mass-produced on the scale of automobiles so you don't get the efficiency of scale. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579187) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:22 AM Author: Tim Daotua Some of them are essentially mass produced and sold at an insane markup. There are basically two markets for boats: the big name brands are outrageously overpriced and old boats are basically free. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579194) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:23 AM Author: alive girl have you ever owned a boat? the old ones are basically free because at any given time, something is always wrong with them, and you need to fix it constantly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579200) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:36 AM Author: Tim Daotua You have to fix new ones constantly too. That’s boats. And when you pull up in your new boat for repairs the yard is going to see dollar signs. The only way to make it reasonable is to do the work yourself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579263) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:12 PM Author: animeboi total powerboat sales in 2018 = 280,000 total auto sales = 17,300,000 That kind of mass production. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 10:52 AM Author: .."........?...????((()). This seems to be mostly it. Plus credit availability. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579356) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:18 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy site Just be a man, get some plans for Chesapeake Light Craft, and build your own. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579509) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:25 AM Author: ..........,.....,.,.....,........,.,,..... who knows. i can understand yachts that are outfitted like a medium size house.
but a small boston whaler runabout costs like $50k
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:29 AM Author: Frank Lloyd Wrong Boats, jet skis, ATVs, motorcycles all have the powergoy price premium. Anything proles call "toys" that they can haul around with their big truck costs way more than it should because these people love to "splurge".
My grandpa owned 4 boats that way at least 1 was sure to be working at any given time |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:35 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy site Cr. Add RVs/Campers to the list. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579603) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:36 AM Author: diamond dood (💎🙌💎) Thread title could have been slightly improved by placing "boats" in quotation marks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579610) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:41 AM Author: ...,,.;/.,.,.,;: boat: bring out another thousand (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579649) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:41 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,,,:::,.;,.,:,.;.:.:.,:.::,. Aren't they basically all hand-made? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579651) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:50 AM Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.; Yes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579733) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:47 AM Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.; I don't know but damn man boats are awesome. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579716) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:48 AM Author: Booger Lasagna real men canoe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579719) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:54 AM Author: bat-shit-crazy site I want one of these quite a lot: https://swiftcanoe.com/boat/keewaydin-16-combi/
Thinking about ordering one in time for the fall. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:58 AM Author: .,.,..;.;'..,';,..,.,;., this looks nice! but it's $3800 -- cliffs on why it's worth it, aside from the finishes (which I can see are very nice carbon accents, or cherry wood, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579815) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:06 PM Author: bat-shit-crazy site Weighs 35 pounds and can be fitted with very comfortable carbon fiber kayak seats vs a 90 pound Old Town canoe.
If I had a lake house and was just dragging it right down to the water, these wouldn’t even be a consideration. But I have to transport it to local lakes and rivers from my SUV roof. And I also want to do some tripping that could involve portages (carrying the boat on your back for up to a couple of kilometers).
If you want something in between the two extremes, look at Nova Craft’s canoes. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:46 PM Author: .,.,..;.;'..,';,..,.,;., ty. that all makes sense (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40580178) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 11:54 AM Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.; Answer: boats are produced in very small numbers, some companies only make a few dozen of each models per year. For instance, if you wanted to buy a Parker 2300, there are about 6 new ones for sale right now nationwide.
The materials are expensive but also there is a lot of labor involved in boat manufacturing plus you need a relatively large physical location to do this in. It's difficult and dangerous work. Further, it is skilled labor and people involved in boat building tend to demand real money. There are no mass produced boats and all good boats are basically hand made.
Also, the boat market is very small, not a lot of people can really afford a boat, have access to big water, are inclined to spend this kind of money on a hobby, or have the know-how to operate a real boat.
Compound that with financing companies basically offering the equivalent of mortgages on new boats (15 year note is about standard at this point) at sub 5% rates, financing companies doing this really jacked up the price of boats over the last decade.
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:01 PM Author: .,.,..;.;'..,';,..,.,;., ty, educational. I didn't realize so many boat owners had loans against the boat -- not sure why this surprises me as I know car loans are super common -- I guess it seems like lenders wouldn't want to repossess an "underwater boat" (tyty) so they'd charge crazy interest (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579840) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 1:23 PM Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.; Boats are terrible investments, but they hold their value pretty well. For instance, a Regulator 23 sells new for about $150k, a 5 year old Regulator 23 sells for about $110k and a 15 year old Regulator 23 sells for $75k.
Again, you're not making money on this, but the boats do keep value to where they're not worthless. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 4:52 PM Author: .,.,..;.;'..,';,..,.,;., That makes sense. And they're terrible investments because your depreciation curve includes spending $X per year on repairs and storage and gas to even hold that kind of value? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40582237) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 5:33 PM Author: http: a lot of newbie boaters in the North don't drain motor properly at end of season. Come spring they find out they have a cracked motor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40582463) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 12:16 PM Author: http: the costs of owing one are ridiculous. they require the most maintenance of all the "toys." also, some people in New England (and Minnesota, etc) can really only use them for 4-5 months out of the year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40579939) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 1:27 PM Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.; If you're a man who makes money, it seems like the main hobbies that people get into are golf, boats, airplanes, or exotic cars.
Of that, IMHO, golf is the most expensive. Guys drop 15k+ per year to be members of these golf clubs like it's nothing, that is much more expensive per year than, say, a 25 foot sportfisher.
It's all super privileged stuff and good for people who can afford to do this. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:04 PM Author: .,,,.,.,..,.,:,..::,,...,:,...,:,.,..:.,:.::,. country club analogy is stupid. even if you want to join a private club there are far cheaper ones out there than the $15K/yr example. boating has a much higher barrier even to own a shitty boat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40580849) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:08 PM Author: ;;;;.....;...;.............;;..;.;.; Good golf club for less than 15k? Brother in South Carolina it would be hard to find a good club for much less than that and you should look at the prices for decent clubs in Los Angeles.
My post said "men who make money |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:23 PM Author: .,,,.,.,..,.,:,..::,,...,:,...,:,.,..:.,:.::,. you're talking out of your asshole. initiation basically has been flat since the late 90s and is like $50K for plenty of nice clubs with annual dues under $10K. there are plenty of non-bushwood type clubs too where it's like a $4K a year for a full family, including pool, tennis, and gym and initiation is waived or minimal if you're under 40. during ITE they were practically willing to pay ppl to join. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40581042) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:25 PM Author: alive girl you can also buy a kayak for <$1k. the comparison is between nice clubs and nice enough boats.
though planes are still the most expensive. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:29 PM Author: .,,,.,.,..,.,:,..::,,...,:,...,:,.,..:.,:.::,. there's much less of a difference between golfing at a mediocre course vs. a nice course compared to having a mediocre boat vs. a nice one. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40581107) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:31 PM Author: alive girl the difference is exclusivity. i am not a golfmo, but i understand the desire to belong to an elite place like augusta is not just because the lawns are better trimmed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40581123) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:44 PM Author: .,,,.,.,..,.,:,..::,,...,:,...,:,.,..:.,:.::,. and if you just want to golf at a very nice course it will cost you a few thousand bucks a year.
Augusta is a dumb example because no one golfs there as their primary course. it's purely a prestige thing. |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:01 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,.........,,,,,,,,,,......... Hole in water you throw money in (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4580689&forum_id=2,#40580829) |