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Any Reason to Buy Anything More than a Glock 19 for Home Defense?
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:00 AM Author: vibrant indirect expression (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695115) |
Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:05 AM Author: Ocher Parlor Coffee Pot honestly not really (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695142) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:06 AM Author: vibrant indirect expression I have a P226. Is that good enough long term or should I switch to a polymer striker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695146) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:10 AM Author: Ocher Parlor Coffee Pot what you have will work fine forever
just know how to operate and shoot it, that's the most important part |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:48 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button No reason to get rid of what you have unless it's West German and you don't care and can sell it to a panicked idiot on gunbroker for a profit. The DA/SA is nice for not shooting oneself imo but opinions vary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696574) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 8:25 PM Author: talented vermilion dilemma cuck I came ITT to poast exactly this. I haven't read the remainder of this thread, but I know it will contain poasts (from the same poaster? sockpuppets?) saying that you need an AR with red dot or a tactical shotgun (weird... and it's also weird that I've never seen him specify the load of shot to use, which I would expect as someone who hunts with shotguns). This is silly; your uses will be (1) to kill someone 0-10 feet away; or (2) to scare away someone by taking a potshot at him from the stairs down into the kitchen or whatever. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40712206) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:05 AM Author: Deranged Indecent Rigor Garrison If you can get one today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695144) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:07 AM Author: odious brindle sandwich dopamine two guys with AR15s approach your home through the front and back doors. good luck.
you need a short-barreled auto shotgun for proper home defense. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:12 AM Author: mildly autistic circlehead You're fucked anyway if that happens. And why on earth are two guys with AR15s approaching your home?
I have a PPK/S just because I like how it carries versus the Glock (shorter barrel, in particular), but if you get to the point where the specific gun type matters, you have bigger problems. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:14 AM Author: odious brindle sandwich dopamine if you are awaiting them from an elevated position (outside roof, lofted bedroom/office indoors) or around the corner from a bulletproof door. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695185) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:16 AM Author: mildly autistic circlehead This is not a scenario I anticipate ever coming to pass in my daily life. If they're coming to kill me, for some unfathomable reason, then I'm fucked. And if they're coming to steal my TV, then, uh, have at it guys. I am not worth robbing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695190) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:20 AM Author: odious brindle sandwich dopamine and if they're coming to kidnap your wife and daughters...have at it fellows i just didn't want to spend a couple hundred on a quality shotgun. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695203) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:22 AM Author: Olive karate some examples of quality shotguns? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695216) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:28 AM Author: odious brindle sandwich dopamine saiga 12 if you want something "scary" looking but a mossberg 12gg is fine. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695244) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:32 AM Author: Olive karate mossbergs are pretty cheap... am I giving up a lot quality going with mossberg? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695256) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:33 AM Author: odious brindle sandwich dopamine benelli m4 is a "go-to" quality shotgun that will never fail for home defense if you have even decent tactics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695260) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:36 AM Author: Olive karate and on that note... how much am I losing going with s&w m&p9? I'm leaning towards a p226, but am curious about s&W (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695269) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:37 AM Author: odious brindle sandwich dopamine p226 is a great good. never shot mp9 but hear it's fine. i don't think the difference would be notable, just make sure you have good range time with whatever you buy. personally, i only have .45 handguns...a glock, springfield xd and a kimber. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695281) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:43 AM Author: Olive karate I've never liked the feeling of glocks in my hand. Too light and I dont like the plastic feeling of glocks. I might go with a combo of a mossberg and mp9 instead of shelling out for just a p226. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695303) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:46 AM Author: odious brindle sandwich dopamine i keep my shotgun in my bedroom and my glock .45 on me at all times. i have a long rifle accessible in my car if shit goes down. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695310) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:50 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story M&P 9 2.0 is probably the best commonly available striker fired polymer pistol on the market today. That or the CZ P10F - both have proven track records and are issued to police and militaries the world over. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696577) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:49 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button I've never heard anyone say it was the best. VP9, PPQ, FN 509, P320 all come to mind.
M&Ps are decent and can be found for reasonable prices unlike some others. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:58 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story VP9 failed a rudimentary mud test, the P320 had the drop firing problem, PPQ has funky controls and the FN 509 might actually also be a good option because it's not mentioned often. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696873) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:00 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button PPQ has two variants, one with a paddle release, one with a button. Certainly they both can't suck irl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696890) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:01 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story Imo the button mag release one is OK but I found the slide release to be a little on the slick side for my liking. I have the same bitch about Glocks being too small, fwiw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696895) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:07 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button VP9 is still probably the best one of these. Said to be a good suppressor host which many of these are not. Do you usually drop your guns in mud. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696911) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:32 PM Author: Wild lay bbw What do you think of this?
https://www.mossberg.com/product/590-cruiser-50697/ |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:34 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story No, you need a stock
Those pistol grip shotguns are designed to be used just like in the picture, with frangible rounds to shoot the lock or hinges off a door for an entry team. The man equipped with one is either not entering the building, or switching back over to his rifle after breaching the door and slinging the shotgun (which is why it has a short barrel and no stock)
This is the one you want:
https://www.mossberg.com/category/series/590a1-tactical/ |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:26 AM Author: mildly autistic circlehead I'm single and don't have kids, but I'll give you the shotgun point -- they have stopping power but also won't penetrate walls, so you don't risk accidentally hitting someone else. But at the same time, I don't view a shotgun as "more" than a handgun; I just meant that you don't need a Desert Eagle versus a basis Glock or Sig. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695235) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:43 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button Yes they do penetrate walls. Any centerfire/shotgun caliber will pierce several if not dozens of layers of drywall. There are all kinds of youtube videos on this
shotguns are cr because you can get a decent one for like $300 and it'll work. Also can shoot clays etc which is entertaining.
Mossberg is quality btw, the military uses the 590.
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:12 PM Author: Appetizing magical spot windowlicker What's the best type of shotgun rounds to use for home defense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696925) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:16 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button Buckshot and birdshot both penetrate drywall. Drywall is weak af.
There are specific 00 Buck loads meant for home defense, probably go with that. |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 7:03 PM Author: mildly autistic circlehead I'm in a building with concrete walls. Not hugely worried.
I want to protect myself but also don't want to endanger my neighbors. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:38 PM Author: Grizzly duck-like church Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696541) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:31 PM Author: Charismatic crackhouse “And why on earth are two guys with AR15s approaching your home?” You’re a local business owner who refused to sign the “contract” pushed on you by BLM. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:32 PM Author: Charismatic crackhouse (ATF agent) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696721) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:22 AM Author: Sepia electric church building gaming laptop Your wife is scared of handguns and/or can’t rack the slide
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:34 AM Author: mind-boggling forum roommate phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695263) |
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Date: November 14th, 2020 10:56 PM Author: Navy spectacular tanning salon people who are hurt (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#41368139) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:41 AM Author: Appetizing magical spot windowlicker How much have you fired your glock 19? Unless your aim is really good you'll probably be safer with a rifle or shotgun (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40695291) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:45 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button That doesn't matter at such close range imo but long gun is still tcr.
Also, quality control on *a* AR15 isn't guaranteed whereas a Glock is a Glock. Next round will probably cycle and so forth. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:54 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story This is hilarious flame, an AR-15 from a reputable brand is absolutely as reliable as any given glock off the factory floor. Shoot a few magazines through anything and you will be able to weed out the infant mortalities to send back to the factory for repairs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696583) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:48 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story The average homeowner would be best served by a long gun of some kind - either an AR-15 pattern rifle or a semi auto shotgun. If you are stuck owning only one firearm, a glock 19 makes sense since you can ccw it also - but it's not ideal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696572) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:49 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button 48 basically trumps 19 imo and is CCWable imho. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696576) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 4:52 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story For a dual-purpose gun I'd rather have the extra weight and capacity in a home defense role and sacrifice the concealability. Having a 33 round backup magazine is just such a big advantage over tiny pink 10 rounder.
The average person spends a lot more time at home than out and about, so the extra rounds and the capacity to attach a flashlight and RDS maybe even a compensator or silencer all make more sense. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:27 PM Author: Appetizing magical spot windowlicker The average person spends at least 40 hours at work bro. I'm looking at that rinky dinky shield just because it's annoying carrying a Glock 26 to work everyday. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696696) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:28 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story Who is currently working 40 hours a week face to face in COVID clown world?
I personally CCW a shield because it hides better, but OP is asking about a dual purpose gun. I would not want to use my shield to do anything other than fight my way to a rifle in a home defense situation. That's why it sits in my office, while I keep my scary black guns in my bedroom. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:30 PM Author: Appetizing magical spot windowlicker Fair enough. I still go to work though and none of my staff wanted to work remotely. I guess we are weird. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696709) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:38 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button If you literally think you'll use a gun, suppressors are tcr which all but rules out shotguns, no reason to blow out your loved ones' eardrums.
A lot of guns these days are just way bigger than they are "sold" as. The Ruger LCP is roughly PPK sized which is perfect. Everything else is bigger. i.e. fuck the Glock 19/48/43 for ccw.
TCR IMO in this order:
1. Shotgun e.g. Mossberg 500 - home (~$300) 2. Small af handgun - LCP etc - ccw (~$300) 3. Go the rest of your life without shooting anyone 4. If you still have an itch to scratch, get an AR+suppressor. 5. I still don't see a place for a Glock et al imo unless you are serious about CCW and dressing around guns. Also 1+2 combined cost about the same as a Glock.
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:51 PM Author: Appetizing magical spot windowlicker A "small af handgun" will suck compared to a Glock. If you're getting 1 handgun why would you get a shitty one? The rest of your post didn't make much sense either. Why do you need a suppressor for an AR-15? You realize they have these things you can use to cover your ears? Also there is a suppressor for shotguns. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696841) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 5:59 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button I mean for shooting people in your house. Do you think people reach for their ear plugs before shooting intruders lol.
The LCP-class guns aren't bad to shoot at all and are surprisingly easy to shoot well. They use a short recoil action like a Glock and most handguns, so recoil is less than something like a Makarov despite the smaller size. The main thing that really "sucks" is the ammo. Modern ammo performs better than commonly perceived (even 9mm sucked in the 90s which is why .40 was developed). 380 still sucks but not as much as is thought imho. But everyone still needs a pocket gun like this if they actually carry every day, and they are cheap af, not even $300 a lot of times, more like $250.
If you're serious about carrying irl and shooting/killing people and will dress around it then a 9mm is probably the way to go imho which is why I addressed that point, champ. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:02 PM Author: Appetizing magical spot windowlicker I see what you're saying. Get 1 relatively sps small af handgun, become an expert with it and make it your only gun + get a conceal permit. Brutally efficient and spend the least amount of $ possible. I don't think anyone has ever done that in history though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696898) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:14 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button $246. You basically can't not get one imo. https://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/ruger-lightweight-compact-pistol-3701-actn-only-polymer-grips-fixed-sights-blue-finish-p-22131.html
The size difference is just staggering. One of these will fit in your pocket and not even print, the other weighs 2 pounds loaded which is the same as an unloaded Colt Commander, i.e. it will probably sag your belt before we even talk about printing. https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/glock-g19-gen5-vs-ruger-lcp-ii |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 9:20 PM Author: Exhilarant library kitty cat I just ordered one, batgod. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40702543) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 8:14 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button Upvoted (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40712157) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 9:01 PM Author: Exhilarant library kitty cat (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40712378) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:04 PM Author: Exhilarant library kitty cat My wife has been on my ass to get a CCW permit and get a handgun soon. What is the best, cheapest handgun to buy? I want a revolver since I don't want to clean it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696904) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:13 PM Author: odious brindle sandwich dopamine a little power
https://ruger.com/products/superRedhawkStandard/models.html |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:43 PM Author: Exhilarant library kitty cat 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40697037) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:22 PM Author: Slate Adulterous Regret Background Story You will absolutely still have to clean a revolver, get something from 2020, not 1840 so you can at least fire more than 5 rounds and attach a light and night sights. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40696953) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 6:26 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button Revolvers can actually be complete shit to clean, worse than any semi. Depending on the model/ammo/cylinder gap, lead gets all but burned into the cylinder after like 50 shits and it can't be cleaned off with normal cleaning products, and looks dirty as hell. None of this matter for the most part except for looks though. Cleaning in general is overrated though imo for any gun.
See link above for cheapest/good enough imo. |
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Date: August 4th, 2020 4:23 PM Author: mildly autistic circlehead Yeah just get a semi. I have a PPK/S but anything in that family will be fine.
Whether it's worth it to get a CCW depends on your state. I'm in a shall-issue state so it's just a course (which I think is worthwhile, same as with a drivers license) and some paperwork. NYC would be a different story, it's almost impossible to even get a carry permit. |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 11:55 PM Author: fragrant deer antler degenerate I just want to point out that I at least respect that your wife is smart enough to press you to do your job rather than some ridiculous shitlib that is scared of guns and expects her appeasement strategy to work. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40698193) |
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Date: August 2nd, 2020 10:20 PM Author: poppy bateful mediation buy 🇺🇸 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40697795) |
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Date: August 3rd, 2020 9:04 AM Author: Domesticated bright half-breed LOL at the thread capitalization...is this DBG? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40698964) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 8:23 PM Author: exciting telephone native Glocks are basically illegal in my state. What’s the next best option? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40712194) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 8:35 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button Holy shit, you're a real poster? I just hear azns/pumos talking about you constantly, didn't know you existed.
Does your state have a Strict List of allowed firearms or what? |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 8:56 PM Author: exciting telephone native There’s a few lunatics who follow me around. Yeah there’s a strict list and I think the only way to buy a Glock is a private sale from a LEO (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40712336) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 8:32 PM Author: Wild lay bbw I have a 357 magnum (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40712231) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 8:40 PM Author: Offensive selfie factory reset button Enjoy lifelong tinnitus when you kill people in your house irl (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40712261) |
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Date: August 5th, 2020 8:55 PM Author: Wild lay bbw I’ll take that trade.
Also, I can load 38 special into it if I want. I have some 38 special hollow point. With the lower recoil and the hollow tips those might actually be better. What do you advise? |
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Date: August 8th, 2020 9:35 PM Author: Appetizing magical spot windowlicker Anyone swap out the trigger on their Glock? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4596227&forum_id=2#40725998) |