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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:15 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage just a quick link will do (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886815) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:18 AM Author: flesh corn cake Your flavor of denigration of a faith is particularly sour. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886839) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:18 AM Author: stimulating stag film (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886842) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:19 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage link brother? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886846) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:20 AM Author: Aqua stead easy. take the visitation and then read the 10 commandments. you should be good from there. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886850) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:20 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Just need a quick link (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886858) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:21 AM Author: Aqua stead i just gave you two. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886870) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:22 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage sounds catholic and jewish. looking for something from jesus the christ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886881) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:35 AM Author: Aqua stead if jesus in utero acknowledging his cousin doesn't implore on you the idea that those are people who, in turn, are protected by the commandment to not kill, i got nothing for you, bruh. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887001) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:37 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage I should write a book called 12 Rules for Knowing God. It would sell a million copies and no one would be any closer to him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887015) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:04 PM Author: Transparent garrison seems like a reach. I think you mean Elizabeth's baby John was excited at the prospect of fetus Jesus.
How far along in pregnancy was Elizabeth at the time her baby leapt? Seem like it was pretty far along, no? |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 10:21 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage i think hes saying the 10 commandments where some kind of pre-incarnation labor pains of the logos, which is exactly why it will not do as an answer (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40890144) |
Date: September 8th, 2020 11:17 AM Author: stimulating stag film It’s the Blessed Virgin’s birthday and you’re implying, at the very least, that Jesus is indifferent on the topic of abortion. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886834) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:18 AM Author: flesh corn cake MIG, putting his full weight against the rod, trying to keep both fish on the line. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886844) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:21 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage exceptional analogy gotta give credit here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886863) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:18 AM Author: Aqua stead (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886845) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:20 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Just looking for a quick link
mary wasn't a virigin
nor is she god
100% chance today is not her "birthday" lmao |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:24 AM Author: stimulating stag film Mary isn’t God. She was a virgin when she gave birth to Christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886897) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:26 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage and the molecules comprising the body of christ vaporized in his ascension give me a break (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886906) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:20 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner what happened to his molecules when he resurrected? Be careful about going down that path brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887268) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:23 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage I'm not going to feign ignorance for the sake of retaining some post-Christ/man-made religious "mystery". this person who was the Christ died a natural death and his post-death body was subject to natural laws including those of biological decomposition. he was not resurrected in the body, and not the marys nor the apostles nor Paul nor the 500 believed he was. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887281) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:25 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Brother, neither of us know what exactly happened in the resurrection and there is some disagreement about how to characterize it (e.g. what Paul said), but lets be clear: the general consensus was that it was a bodily resurrection. Just read Luke. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887294) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:29 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage You're assuming a hermeneutic that I don't, namely that when Luke says "he was resurrected in the body" he was using precise and literal language, and not using symbolic religious language readily available to him from Judaism, Greek and Egyptian cults to describe a psychological phenomenon in him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887324) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:31 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Please explain to me how "he was resurrected in flesh and bones" can be interpreted as anything but a literal bodily resurrection. you are either painfully stupid or a troll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887339) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:36 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Serious question are you a fundamentalist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887365) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:43 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner You play very fast and loose with terminology. Depends on what you mean by fundamentalist. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887405) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:45 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Do you think the only way to read the bible is by looking each word up in the dictionary, forming a mental picture by their definitions, and imposing that mental image onto history as an exact picture of events as they happened? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887414) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:46 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner As best as can be done while deferring authority to those who have studied the issues better than I and have complied a catechism that largely does much of the analysis and legwork. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887421) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:49 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage enjoy sacerdotalism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887437) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:51 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Wrong. When James Martin goes prancing around saying shit I look in my bible and know that he is wrong.
Deferring to authority on how Greek translations of words should be interpreted is not the same thing as never questioning what a priest says. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:04 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage The bible's only purpose is the revelation of the Christ. If you're looking in there for bare propositional resolutions to moral problems you need to learn to read better. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887499) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:08 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry the bible reveals christ but we're supposed to ignore what it actually says, got it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887529) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 9:47 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage If i were to take your rationalist reading of the bible to the extreme - i.e. take as fully binding any bare moral proposition contained in its text - I would have to memorize the entire book, enumerate the relationships between all of its parts, and resolve each of its hermeneutic indeterminacies.
This is impossible as a practical matter. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 10:29 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage This was the credited response (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40890202) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:20 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry He clearly opines that marriage is between a man and woman and that divorce is bad. You really think he was pro gay marriage? Lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886852) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:20 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage link pls? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886859) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:23 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry You’re a retard. HTH https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2019&version=NIV |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:24 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage that looks like a link to a book the catholic church edited. looking for something from jesus the christ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886895) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:26 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry The Catholic Church to my knowledge had no role in editing the NIV translation of the Bible. Your shtick is lame. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886913) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:28 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage the bible was compiled in 382 by a pope (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886933) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:29 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry From existent texts drawn from the teachings of Jesus. If that isn’t sufficient evidence for you, you’re out of luck. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886945) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:31 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Not really. No reason to have blind faith in "existent texts drawn from the teachings of Jesus."
If Jesus is the true Christ and his resurrection is real, then there is every reason to believe it is by his spirit alone that we have knowledge of god's will. "existent texts drawn from the teachings of Jesus" may well help in our ritual incantation of his spirit but the words on the page are in no way authoritative. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:33 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry Is the New Testament inspired? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886976) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:33 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage i just gave you the precise definition of inspiration (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886981) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:38 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry So no. Ergo, (1) you’re not a Christian; and (2) demanding proof that Jesus opined on gay marriage outside of the gospels is disingenuous. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:39 AM Author: Appetizing national sound barrier he's jewish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887025) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:46 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage the board defines jewish as enlightened over/against gullible (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887063) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:45 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage you don't have the right definition of christian, because your definition has been inherited from man and not god
morality does not come from the analysis of a text but the presence of the spirit of christ himself. you've inherited a horrible tradition. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:46 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry You inherited yours from your asshole. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887065) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:33 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner A yes, does your "presence of the spirit of christ" what allows you to accept gay marriage and abortion? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887355) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:37 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage That's right (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887374) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:45 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Good to know. Funny how the spirit of Christ is telling you to accept gay marriage and abortion a few years after it was accepted by the majority of Americans after having been rejected for hundreds of years. Its almost as if the spirit of Christ is really just a proxy for "I believe whatever a general populace believes about moral questions" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887415) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:54 AM Author: Motley submissive french chef mental disorder That's the best you got? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887103) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:55 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’[b]? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
Yeah, surely Jesus was pro gay marriage. Gimme a break. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:56 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Uh in what universe does opining on a class of behavior as moral exclude other classes as immoral? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887117) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:57 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry In the context of marriage, Jesus is clearly contemplating only men and women. As Adam and Eve. Are you dumb? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887121) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:59 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage again, only a simpleton would think defining a class of behavior as moral excludes other classes as immoral. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887129) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:13 PM Author: Motley submissive french chef mental disorder Also, look at the context. Jesus is addressing men using some legalistic religious ju-jitsu to leave their wives for selfish reasons. Jesus comes to the defense of the weaker or lower-status party, which I think is a theme in the gospels. I'm far from an expert on biblical interpretation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887231) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:56 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry Yeah you def aren’t an expert for sure lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887476) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:57 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Bro you are embarrassing yourself here. I don't blame you, you are a godless "moderate" who self-admits to not knowing anything about the bible, but that should mean you should likely do more reading. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887480) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:01 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry it's hard to tell whether libs actually believe this stuff or it's just subversive trolling (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887491) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:05 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage an IRL fundamentalist tells a genuine dude reading and interpreting the bible that he's "embarrassing himself". Jesus fucking Christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887509) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:06 PM Author: Transparent garrison whats wrong w what he said. That's exactly what a pastor would say. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887521) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:09 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry a pastor who had his head up his ass maybe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887531) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 10:34 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage this might have been the best response in the thread.
marriage is between a man and a women, except if your wife cheats on you, then you can divorce her. by any coherent definition of marriage this is adultery and fornication, yet Jesus allows it. I would be surprised if 19:9 wasn't just tacked on at some point.
sacrificial association with the lowly seems to be one of the major themes of Christ's ministry. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:24 AM Author: Dull address bbw Matthew 19:24 (New Halford Translation): "Again I tell you, it is easier for two fags, or multiple fags who met online for the purpose of playing with each other's feces, to go through the eye of a needle, or through an untrained virgin asshole, than it is for such degenerates to enter the kingdom of God." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886898) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:30 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886946) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:28 AM Author: Twinkling drunken tanning salon idea he suggested Coalition of Faggots v. City of Antioch, 28 A.2d 387 (Eastern Prov. 28). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886932) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:28 AM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886935) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:30 AM Author: Appetizing national sound barrier OP (MiG) is aggressively more stupid as of late after his most recent rejection (and creep out) of another "church girl", thus confirming his status as incel and genetic dead end. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886953) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:31 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry What’s mig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886963) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:33 AM Author: Appetizing national sound barrier OP = Metaphysics is Gay (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40886980) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 11:39 AM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry He’s frustratingly stupid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887024) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:01 PM Author: Garnet Striped Hyena Stage hes just a troll (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887145) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:06 PM Author: flesh corn cake (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887181) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:09 PM Author: crystalline clown masturbator I'd like a similar quote with him coming out against mutilation of toddler genitals. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887201) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:10 PM Author: flesh corn cake or cannibalism (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887215) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:12 PM Author: crystalline clown masturbator Tbf, I think we know where he stood on that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887224) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:13 PM Author: flesh corn cake i demand mig give me a link. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887226) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 6:56 PM Author: crystalline clown masturbator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40889252) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:14 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage if your argument is simply that Christ need not opine on each moral issue for some behaviors, not so enumerated, to be immoral, you are exactly correct.
however your correctness comes not from the absence of such an enumeration in some historic text and inference from other so enumerated moral commands, but in the appearance and significance of Jesus as the Christ itself.
i.e., all moral certitudes can be deduced simply from the appearance of Jesus as the Christ, ahistorically, i.e. in an interpretation of the event divorced entirely from its historic context. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:17 PM Author: flesh corn cake no. i picked that one because jesus specifically did instruct us to do that (the label was picked purely to get you to give the wrong answer).
sophistry aside, Jesus does instruct his followers to consume his flesh and blood. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:18 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage yeah if you want to talk within the biblical-mythological language game. the text on communion is so thin i can't believe people get so up in arms about it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887258) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:21 PM Author: flesh corn cake So you only want to discuss Jesus outside of the Bible?
26 While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”
MiG: MYTHOLOGICAL LANGUAGE!!!!! |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:23 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage are you a 6 day creaionist? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887286) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:30 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Except that Jesus always clarified confusing metaphors when people who were listening to him were confused or upset by what he said.
Guess what happens when he tells them to drink his blood and eat his body? ALL the people around him leave and he doesnt clarify that it was a metaphor. Its interesting that for the first 1500 years of the church transubstantiation (in different names) was totally accepted. Its only after that some poorly formed priests started to question it. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:41 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage You're brute forcing a literary text into a closed system of legalistic codifications. There are no perfect utterances, and that includes the bible.
And again, that some people didn't understand the religious symbolism is not a basis for concluding it wasn't symbolism. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:01 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Read that section again.
1. Christ always clarifies metaphors when people are confused 2. Christ did not clarify this as a metaphor when people came up to him to and questioned him 3. Most of Christ's followers leave him as a result of this comment 4. Christ reiterates that this is his body and blood. 5. Every single theologian and church father that we know believed that it was a literal teaching up until a couple hundred years ago. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:05 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887516) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 10:38 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage text is just thin here this is reading too much into what's not there (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40890269) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:22 PM Author: nofapping obsidian ceo God and Jesus are one and the same and God is quite clear.
QED. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:28 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner I mean the old testament mentions this multiple times (and the old T was reinforced by Jesus under a new covenant). Jesus also frequently talks only about marriage being between a man and a women. Finally, Paul talks about it and if you are christian you believe the writings in the bible were divinely inspired.
If with all that you still don't think Christianity is clear on the topic of so-called gay marriage then I don't know what to tell you. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:35 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage There is no reason to believe the words of Jesus (assuming they were written as spoken) were definitive moral commands to be mindlessly obeyed. Christ was the divine logos not in speech (in his incarnation he became man, who is limited in all speech. if speech is limited then all spoken sentences are false) but in accomplishment.
LOL at having to believe Paul literally to be a Christian. Being a christian has to do with whether you posses the requisite mental states, not your pronouncement of thoughtless adherence to a man's opinions in his personal correspondences. These mental states can be, as you suggested, inspired by writings that were also inspired by Christ the logos. But inspiration is not rote compliance. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:42 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner .... and in your view the alternative is to believe whatever the spirit of christ causes you to feel. Sure thing bro.
Being a hyper literalist might have its problems, but lol if the alternative is to be like you, someone whose religious positions changes based on how they feel (and make no mistake how you feel is a reflection of society NOT Christ - which is why you are asking about gay marriage and abortion now and not in the 1200s). |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:48 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage You have very little faith if you think the presence of Christ is a subjective event. Christ is the divine logos, and his appearance to people is objective - i.e. stable - over time and across persons. You indeed have less faith than I, if you cling to the certitude of false texts constructed by man, instead of the uncertainty of the presence of Christ, with which we are blessed rarely and only by divine providence. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887428) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:53 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Occam's razor. When a guy comes to me in 2020 and states that the spirit of christ is telling him that gay marriage and abortion are fine, my first assumption is that he is full of shit, not that God has suddenly departed from his previous teachings.
Look at what it took for the Jews to follow Christ. If some random dood said, god has said that old covenant is dead, here is the new covenant, they would rightly tell him to fuck off. Christ converted the jews on the basis of a compendium of actions and statements and miracles he made.
There is a middle ground between the overly skeptic Jews that did not convert and people that blindly believe nonsense and fall into modern cults. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:11 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage I do not have the burden of proof to show you that you ought to accept your brothers even in what you allege to be their depravity. your lack of faith in the revelatory power of christ has you wound up to the point where you reject god's creation in favor of propositional moral content in an old book. the bible has moral guidance as a wellspring for the revelation of christ. when you act with hostility towards man for his alleged sin, you are not acting as a witness to christ but self-righteously engineering his second coming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887544) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:16 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry Paul says Christians shouldn't even *associate* with "brothers" who engage in sexual sin, of which he includes homosexuality:
https://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/5-11.htm "But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one." |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:21 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Paul is not Christ, and he is writing a letter to a specific church facing a specific problem. Only Christ can provide moral guidance for us today. Paul is dead and the church of Corinth is no longer what it was. Christ is resurrected and Christ is always the same. We need to listen to Christ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887585) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:25 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry Paul was an apostle of Christ and Christ bestowed authority and the holy spirit on his apostles, not on your dumbass What Paul says is infinitely more authoritative and inspired than anything you believe in 2020 You can't follow Christ without listening to the words of his apostles |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:27 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage I'm sorry, but this is a heresy. If you believe Paul has more authority than the risen Christ, you are not a Christian. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887598) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:31 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry not what i said, fool why do you ignore Christ's apostles? 17Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah! For this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by My Father in heaven. 18And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. 19I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”… |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:35 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Yeah Christ is about to die and he's giving his bro a pep talk. Paul himself tells us
"You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you."
If the spirit of God is in you, you have no need for moral commands like "do not associate with homosexuals," and you would not appeal to such moral commands for justification of your behaviors. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:38 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry If the spirit of God lives in you *you would not engage in homosexuality*, that's the point it's also not a "pep talk" are you even familiar with Pentecost? |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:53 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage assume for the sake of argument that paul had the spirit of god in him when he saw that it was immoral to engage in homosexuality. the only means of obeying this command is by yourself having the spirit of god in you. not engaging in homosexuality does not give you the spirit of god, confessing Christ as lord does. so if its true that if you have the spirit of god in you you would not engage in homosexuality, and there are some people who engage in homosexuality, then they do not have the spirit of god in them. but not engaging in homosexuality does not give you the spirit of god. confessing christ as lord gives you the spirit of god. so the only way to get people to stop engaging in homosexuality is to have them confess that christ is lord. if someone confesses christ is lord but they engage in homosexuality, either (1) the confession was false, or (2) it is not immoral to engage in homosexuality. to suggest (1) because someone who also confessed christ is lord said (1), and that person also claims to have had an experience of and also wrote prolifically about the risen christ is an appeal to authority. to suggest (2) is to rely on the assertions of a person the veracity of which is unverifiable. this ambiguity should be resolved not with appeal to the correct moral pronouncement of the one who rightly has the spirit of god in them, but appeal to those teachings that most reliably lead people to the spirit of christ. christ himself, who unarguably possessed his own spirit, would sit and take company with sinners including sexual sinners. he would welcome them to anoint his body with oil. indeed, he died so they could be redeemed. if christ himself took company of sexual sinners and died for them, we can take company of sexual sinners by conducting gay marriage and allowing our churches - his body - to die for them. in the alternative, if homosexuality is not a sin, then doing so will have no effect on our churches. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887713) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 3:09 PM Author: Bistre tripping cumskin station If he intended to mean all gays, why did he refer specifically to male prostitutes (pornos)?
Do you have reason to believe Paul was unaware of other types of homosexuality? Man was writing in Greek and you think he wasn't aware of the Sacred Band of Thebes? |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 3:02 PM Author: Bistre tripping cumskin station Paul ALSO says that NOBODY should be married, but that - among those who should not be married - it is better to get married than to burn with lust.
The Biblical position on gay marriage is absolutely clear. It is always better to have a sanctified monogamous sexual outlet than to be a tweaked out Tina pig into your 70s. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 3:03 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage There are plenty of moral "better thans" we can know through revelation and that are probably approximately codified in the texts in the bible. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40888065) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:48 PM Author: coiffed dopamine idiot So you’re Episcopalian now? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887426) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 12:49 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner I just want to point out that you never heard anything for 2000 years about how *maybe* abortion and gay marriage were accepted by Christ. Is it a coincidence that you have guys like the OP and others now questioning these matters just as both behaviors have become normalized in our society?
Oh yes I forgot the Spirit of Christ is moving through the OP to allow him to question the teachings on marriage and abortion. I'm sure such a Spirit just randomly picked this time to come to him and not a predecessor of his in the 1800s. Total coincidence that it happens now.
Who knows maybe in 50 years when it becomes social acceptable to fuck dogs and children the OP, if he is still alive, will feel the spirit of christ move through him to question Christianity's teachings against those things as well. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:02 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887494) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:03 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage I do not believe the existence of Christ as the divine logos is incompatible with moral progress. It is by the logos that we see our own depravity, through the logos that we approach others in their depravity, and because of the logos that we are all loved by God. The unfolding of this interpersonal process in society is a temporal one, and its continued realization constitutes moral progress and the growth of the kingdom of god.
It is therefore no surprise that hidden people (homosexuals) and novel scientific problems (abortion) are gradually brought to light. Meeting these issues with denouncement only intensifies our hostility to God. Our job as modern Christians is the continued witness to an ever-revealing Christ in contemporary society, not the preservation of antiquated moral order. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:05 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry sanctioning male assfucking is "moral progress" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887510) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:07 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner 1. Abortion is not a novel scientific problem. Our ancestors knew nothing about conception or DNA, but they did know that the thing moving and kicking in the belly of a mother is a child.
2. Homosexuality was well-known and not hidden. This is why Paul explicitly talks about it.
3. The term "moral progress" is retarded and incompatible with any religion, let alone Christianity. So if in 50 years it is ok to fuck 12 year old boys, I presume the spirit of christ will impart on your the "moral progress" necessary to question his old teachings? Why didn't God spare Sodom and Gomorrah on the basis that maybe they were engaged in "moral progress"? |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:19 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Moral progress may be incomparable with religion as an historically enumerated moral list, but christianity is not belief in a moral list, it's belief in a person. Persons express themselves differently in different environments, and moral progress is Christ's personhood expressing himself into, becoming involved in, more and more real lives. One man Paul, one book the bible, cannot pronounce the power of the person of Christ in every society and every life to come. Only the divine person of Christ, in the real lives of people and the church, has that power. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887580) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:26 PM Author: Motley submissive french chef mental disorder (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887595) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:29 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner I hope you realize he is a troll and that blank bumping a guy intentionally mocking makes you look like a dummy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887608) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:32 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry lol at thinking this is good argumentation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887627) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:26 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Again, this logic means that if in 50 years society is ok with boy fucking, someone like you is going to come around and claim that because of moral progress, if Christ was here today, he would be ok with kid fucking as well.
Do you understand that is the logical extension of your comment? You are just advocating for moral relativism, or at the very least, a morality based on consensus or democracy. That is antithetical to Christianity.
Also I find it amusing that you started this thread asking for when Christ spoke about marriage and abortion (with the implication being that if he did you would listen to it) and now you saying "actually it doesn't matter what Christ said 2,000 years ago because a person changes based on their environment so we cannot follow what he said back then but rather imagine what he would say today and follow that". |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:29 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage This again reduces to your lack of faith in the risen Christ. you do not believe Christ is risen, so you dismiss a straw-manned subjectivist notion of his enduring spirit.
Thank you I am here for entertainment and for his kingdom. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:30 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner I have faith that Christ rose. What I do not buy is that I can dispense with his teachings and instead do whatever I feel like and post-hoc rationalize that as being the mandates of what the spirit of Christ in me allows. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887611) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:56 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage did he not teach us to take company of sinners and to die for them? of course the counter argument is he died so we wouldn't have to. but does that not mean that in our taking company with sinners, we are assured freedom from death? or are we to also ignore that example of Christ and listen strictly to his teachings? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887733) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 6:48 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Non sequitur, trying to form relationships with sinners (which is all of us btw) says nothing about tacitly accepting their sin. How do you get from that to -> Christ would've been ok with two doods fucking each other in the butt and moving onto their 1,000 sexual partner the following night meanwhile in a "health clinic" nearby a little black baby is ripped apart inside her mother's womb and a "doctor" fishes out each limb to make sure nothing is leftover. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40889227) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 7:05 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage You are only a vehicle for the acceptance or conviction of sin by Christ. Only Christ can do the actual work. You’re attempting to engineer yourself into God but thinking you have the power to accept or convict someone of sin yourself.
I don’t have the slightest idea what you mean by “Christ wouldnt have been ok with” x. That’s not a mental state of much relevance nor do I think we could ever know what Christ the man thought. The question is not whether we should “be ok” with sin - of course we must be. The only question before us is whether we are making way for the living Christ. |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:32 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry so you're calling Christ a liar? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887628) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 7:52 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage I don’t understand where you’re drawing that implication, but the consequence of the nature of the logos as infinite is that the utterances of the finite man Jesus the Christ are “lies” in the strict sense. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40889556) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:30 PM Author: nofapping obsidian ceo But 2500 years ago gay sex was normal and chill. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887614) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:31 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage time is a flat circle (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887625) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:33 PM Author: onyx passionate den dingle berry all the more reason christianity's rejection of it then would also stand today (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887637) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:35 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Exactly. Paul explicitly refers to Greek homo sex when condemning it. He was operating in a society which partially allowed it and still attacked it. So why would that change today? It wouldn't (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887641) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:36 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage What if people have american homo sex? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887647) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:38 PM Author: cruel-hearted tantric corner Even worse. At least Greek homosex was one of mentorship and bonding. American homosex is just pure degeneracy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887650) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:54 PM Author: nofapping obsidian ceo Paul was just a gay drama queen whose heart had been broken too many times. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887720) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 1:39 PM Author: Exhilarant trust fund *yawn* (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40887651) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 8:00 PM Author: Smoky rehab Sad thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40889581) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 8:16 PM Author: french hot juggernaut foreskin The funny thing about these threads is OP is always some 10th grade atheist who thinks all scripture is bullshit anyway. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40889634) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 9:36 PM Author: Puce church jew mig do you ever pray (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40889879) |
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Date: September 8th, 2020 9:38 PM Author: provocative embarrassed to the bone menage Not lately I have been discouraged (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4620451&forum_id=2#40889892) |