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🚨 A Professional Statistician Weighs In On Biden/Trump Voting Trends 🚨

To be fair, https://mobile.twitter.com/statsguyphd/status...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
Statisticians have known the Benford's law test is flame for...
Milky persian
  11/05/20
tl;dr come on, man
brass flirting crackhouse national security agency
  11/05/20
To be fair, I’m assuming you’re a liberal so ...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
"Whether the tests are useful for detecting fraud remai...
Milky persian
  11/05/20
To be fair, So... it’s *not* been established as &l...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
here's another paper by other researchers, showing that when...
Milky persian
  11/05/20
See also http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678341...
razzmatazz garnet heaven liquid oxygen
  11/05/20
why don't you take a nice nap, maybe even call it a night? t...
mind-boggling pisswyrm theatre
  11/05/20
Check snopes its already been debunked
glittery selfie trailer park
  11/05/20
To be fair, This is a “Please Respond”. You c...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
...
Yellow field
  11/05/20
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Bright Fragrant Den Gaping
  11/05/20
To be fair, Update: I realize it’s probably not fai...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
TBF, do you have "To be fair," macro'ed to somethi...
Rose Razzle-dazzle Skinny Woman
  11/05/20
To be fair,
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
You are asking posters on a law school chat board to provide...
sooty swashbuckling house
  11/05/20
...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
his tweets arent in order this is impossible to read
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
To be fair, Oh fuck sorry you’re right nm
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
some dude just organized them for him lol sup jesse
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
To be fair, Oh sweet that’s nice So now that tha...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
everyone is criticizing his code lmao
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
To be fair, Weird, I don’t see any criticisms in th...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
probably easy to argue that the anomalies in biden counts ar...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
To be fair, Oh so they’re just “artifacts&rdq...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
the analysis seeks to determine whether there are statistica...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
Thanks for showing youre a dumbass.
Doobsian ape
  11/05/20
relax i figured it out below
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
no i missed the plot. what is the ID he used to look at the ...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
Ok so hes looking at the leading digit for the the number of...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
So the claim is that because there are more wards that had a...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
It implies the number of votes for that ward is manipulated
Doobsian ape
  11/05/20
too bad that simulations have shown it's total retarded flam...
Milky persian
  11/05/20
To be fair, The paper you’re implicitly citing here...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
nope. it's not just one paper, it's a whole body of literatu...
Milky persian
  11/05/20
To be fair, OK well I’m not fluent in the nuances o...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
LOL that you have no substantive retort to getting your assh...
Milky persian
  11/05/20
he's being glib. its sick
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
180
Supple indirect expression death wish
  11/06/20
What if there are many wards with 1000 people, 60% of whom v...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
yes, and this test has been known to be flame and no better ...
Milky persian
  11/05/20
i am not convinced but im retarted so whatever
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
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zombie-like comical pozpig
  11/05/20
does Benford's law change based on number of twitter followe...
pearly effete fortuitous meteor
  11/05/20
#ifuckinglovescience
Fluffy Dead Boltzmann
  11/05/20
To be fair, This would be an absolutely devastating respo...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
...
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  11/05/20
does the analysis on Ohio come out any different? or does th...
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  11/05/20
To be fair, Good question. I’m not very smart and I...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
the left has the guy that basically invented computer, the r...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
To be fair, Sorry, is this a naked appeal to authority? L...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
Based
charcoal twinkling uncleanness
  11/05/20
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white gay wizard
  11/05/20
Can't fuck with Benford!!!
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  11/05/20
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bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
How is this your life little guy? Spend some time away from ...
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  11/05/20
trumpmos CRYING LOSING HOAP
Supple indirect expression death wish
  11/05/20
much harder to steal an election from PA than FL
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
Love some good outsourced diligence. Isn’t this pretty...
lavender background story
  11/05/20
its an analysis of the literal string of numbers of the tota...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
"The law states that in many naturally occurring collec...
galvanic purple location foreskin
  11/05/20
yeah maybe im wrong about the values whose leading numbers h...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
if this guy had a real point, he would run the numbers for W...
galvanic purple location foreskin
  11/05/20
To be fair, Well if he doesn’t do that, guess we&rs...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
you sure are one of those useless gen x middle-man nobodies ...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
To be fair, Yep. Not sure why you seem so worked up about...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
i love squnaching you types in front of the boomers whose bo...
Charismatic hospital volcanic crater
  11/05/20
Got it, I have it a quick glance and don’t understand ...
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  11/05/20
To be fair, Maybe so, I don’t pretend to know shit ...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
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To be fair, Honestly no clue, not being sarcastic. I&rsqu...
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bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/05/20
The argument that Benford's law shows electoral fraud when a...
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  11/06/20
(drooling retard)
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  11/06/20
...
Yellow field
  11/06/20
Ok obviously liberal men are shorter but not following you o...
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To be fair, I’m not a numbers guy, but even I have ...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/06/20
Let me spell it out more for the slow children. Benford ...
Crawly indian lodge legend
  11/06/20
In that case Trump should have a bunch of 4s, which he doesn...
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  11/06/20
Are you not able to see the bump in the Trump line at 3? ...
Crawly indian lodge legend
  11/06/20
As you stated above, if the districts are mostly ~1000 peopl...
gaped autistic stage organic girlfriend
  11/06/20
I’m not saying every district is literally exactly 100...
Crawly indian lodge legend
  11/06/20
Yeah, that makes sense. But I don't see how Biden would have...
gaped autistic stage organic girlfriend
  11/06/20
Here's a paper showing that the chi-square Benford test is t...
Milky persian
  11/06/20
The stats guy did the analysis with first digits, when you'r...
self-centered coldplay fan nibblets
  11/06/20
Dude, we agree. But the paper I cited is actually better be...
Milky persian
  11/06/20
You're making an awful argument. Unsound and invalid.
Excitant hyperventilating brethren
  11/06/20
Go investigate why so many third graders’ weights in l...
Crawly indian lodge legend
  11/06/20
LOL
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  11/06/20
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Glassy Preventive Strike Market
  11/06/20
I'm not arguing from the normal distribution. I'm arguing f...
Crawly indian lodge legend
  11/06/20
I thought statistics were flame?
Cerebral school cafeteria
  11/06/20
Hey back off, we've gotten some internet tough guy sleuths w...
Crawly indian lodge legend
  11/06/20
To be fair, OK cool so no fraud nothing to see here. Got ...
bespoke yarmulke stag film
  11/06/20
This site it my outlet for this kind of stuff. There is no h...
Crawly indian lodge legend
  11/06/20
To be Claire is not bright.
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  11/25/20
If we can't trust twitter user statsguyphd who can we trust?
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Date: November 5th, 2020 6:51 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

https://mobile.twitter.com/statsguyphd/status/1324352213595181059

Libs, your response? This should be extremely easy to verify or refute mathematically—and you guys are all about “the numbers,” right? #IFuckinLoveMath

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290707)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:20 PM
Author: Milky persian

Statisticians have known the Benford's law test is flame for over a decade

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/206427437.pdf

Joseph Deckert, Mikhail Myagkov, and Peter C. Ordeshook

University of Oregon and California Institute of Technology

Looking at simulations designed to model both fair and fraudulent contests as well as data drawn from elections we know, on the basis of other investigations, were either permeated by fraud or unlikely to have experienced any measurable malfeasance, we find that conformity with and deviations from Benford’s Law follow no pattern. It is not simply that the Law occasionally judges a fraudulent election fair or a fair election fraudulent. Its ‘‘success rate’’ either way is essentially equivalent to a toss of a coin, thereby rendering it problematical at best as a forensic tool and wholly misleading at worst.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291051)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:31 PM
Author: brass flirting crackhouse national security agency

tl;dr

come on, man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291178)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:32 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

I’m assuming you’re a liberal so you might not be used to being on the receiving end of this one, but this paper has been “debunked”:

https://mobile.twitter.com/statsguyphd/status/1324491299119091720

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291186)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:34 PM
Author: Milky persian

"Whether the tests are useful for detecting fraud remains an open question"

OH WELL THAT PROVES IT!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291209)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:35 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

So... it’s *not* been established as “flame,” then? Because I thought that’s what you said above.

Guess maybe we’ll find out what other experts have to say soon! I don’t know shit about statistics, I’m just a guy asking questions and looking for answers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291228)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:37 PM
Author: Milky persian

here's another paper by other researchers, showing that when you apply the chi-squared test that this moronic twitter faggot is using, you "discover " fraud in German Bundestag elections (LJL). when they use Monte Carlo to simulate an actual distribution, the signal disappears.

Applying chi-squared entails very strong parametric assumptions about the distribution of the data.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Susumu_Shikano/publication/227450786_When_Does_the_Second-Digit_Benford's_Law-Test_Signal_an_Election_Fraud_Facts_or_Misleading_Test_Results/links/0deec51516529c5c65000000.pdf

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291250)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 6:53 PM
Author: razzmatazz garnet heaven liquid oxygen

See also http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678341&mc=19&forum_id=2

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290722)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 6:55 PM
Author: mind-boggling pisswyrm theatre

why don't you take a nice nap, maybe even call it a night? this will be debunked by the morning

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290740)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 6:56 PM
Author: glittery selfie trailer park

Check snopes its already been debunked

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290750)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 6:55 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

This is a “Please Respond”. You can take your time, but I will go ahead and bump this periodically.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290748)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:12 PM
Author: Yellow field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290960)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:15 PM
Author: Bright Fragrant Den Gaping



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290989)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:00 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Update: I realize it’s probably not fair to ask you guys to take this apart without posting the code used to run this analysis, so here you go: https://mobile.twitter.com/statsguyphd/status/1324425072136884227

(You can also tell us why the code is all fucked up and fake and gay if that’s easier—just please remember to be specific. You guys are really into specifics because you keep asking Trumpmos to provide specifics about exactly how and where and when this alleged fraud occurred. So please show them how it’s done and be specific in your criticism of this analysis/code. Thank!)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290798)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:40 PM
Author: Rose Razzle-dazzle Skinny Woman

TBF, do you have "To be fair," macro'ed to something? Seems like after so many years you would want to limit keystrokes.

If it takes another 3 seconds per poast, and you have been poasting for ~10 years with an average poasting frequency of 100 posts / day

that is 300 hours of time you could have saved.

HOW BOUT DAT FOR SOME ANAL-LYTICS?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291286)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:50 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291407)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 9:12 PM
Author: sooty swashbuckling house

You are asking posters on a law school chat board to provide a technical response to a statistical analysis? And if I can't do it then you win because you copy pasted a tweet from someone?

Lol ok you marching band nerd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41292538)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:06 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290883)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:07 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

his tweets arent in order this is impossible to read

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290887)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:08 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Oh fuck sorry you’re right nm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290903)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:10 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

some dude just organized them for him lol sup jesse

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290916)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:11 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Oh sweet that’s nice

So now that that’s fixed, please respond?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290931)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:11 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

everyone is criticizing his code lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290935)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:12 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Weird, I don’t see any criticisms in this thread

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290944)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:13 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

probably easy to argue that the anomalies in biden counts are an artifact of mail ins

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290964)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:14 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Oh so they’re just “artifacts”

Well that does sound technical I’ll give you that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290980)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:16 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

the analysis seeks to determine whether there are statistically identifiable time periods over which the number of +biden votes varied as compared to other periods, right? well major drops of skewed mail ins would do exactly that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290991)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:30 PM
Author: Doobsian ape

Thanks for showing youre a dumbass.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291163)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:33 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

relax i figured it out below

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291192)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:22 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

no i missed the plot. what is the ID he used to look at the leading integer of?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291065)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:27 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

Ok so hes looking at the leading digit for the the number of people that voted in a given ward

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291124)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:29 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

So the claim is that because there are more wards that had a total number of votes for biden the started with 4,5 or 6, the votes are a fraud?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291146)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:30 PM
Author: Doobsian ape

It implies the number of votes for that ward is manipulated

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291157)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:31 PM
Author: Milky persian

too bad that simulations have shown it's total retarded flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291170)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:37 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

The paper you’re implicitly citing here has been (I’m quoting here) “debunked,” as discussed above. Four Pinnochios!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291247)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:40 PM
Author: Milky persian

nope. it's not just one paper, it's a whole body of literature at this point.

for instance, this more recent paper addresses that comment you linked above by using real election data. shows that when you apply the chi-squared test that this moronic twitter faggot is using, you "discover " fraud in German Bundestag elections (LJL). when they use Monte Carlo to simulate an actual distribution, the signal disappears.

Applying chi-squared entails very strong parametric assumptions about the distribution of the data.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Susumu_Shikano/publication/227450786_When_Does_the_Second-Digit_Benford's_Law-Test_Signal_an_Election_Fraud_Facts_or_Misleading_Test_Results/links/0deec51516529c5c65000000.pdf



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291287)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:43 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

OK well I’m not fluent in the nuances of this area so I guess I’ll defer to you. Thanks for debunking this. I assume we don’t be hearing a lot about it going forward since it’s horseshit. This random Twitter guy should be ashamed of himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291322)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 9:09 PM
Author: Milky persian

LOL that you have no substantive retort to getting your asshole blown out, only faggy sarcasm.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41292490)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 9:09 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

he's being glib. its sick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41292498)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 12:06 PM
Author: Supple indirect expression death wish

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41299104)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:31 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

What if there are many wards with 1000 people, 60% of whom voted for biden? lol seems like you have to have a set of wards with total eligible voters that obey some precise distribution

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291176)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:30 PM
Author: Milky persian

yes, and this test has been known to be flame and no better than chance at fraud detection for years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291164)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:32 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

i am not convinced but im retarted so whatever

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291184)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:12 PM
Author: zombie-like comical pozpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290952)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:15 PM
Author: pearly effete fortuitous meteor

does Benford's law change based on number of twitter followers?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290983)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:15 PM
Author: Fluffy Dead Boltzmann

#ifuckinglovescience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290985)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:17 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

This would be an absolutely devastating response if I was invoking the authority of this person alone and saying he said it so you have to trust him.

Luckily, he has laid out his entire analysis step by step and I’ve posted the code he used to run the analysis in this thread in useable form. So just pretend he’s an idiot who made it all up and tear it apart for me so I can stop bumping this thread. But please be specific. Bidenmos really like specifics, and I do too. Common ground!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291003)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:29 PM
Author: 180 theater stage cuck



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291153)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:32 PM
Author: galvanic purple location foreskin

does the analysis on Ohio come out any different? or does the same "law" only prove fraud in states Biden is winning?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291191)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:34 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Good question. I’m not very smart and I don’t know shit about statistics, so I can’t answer this. But given that Scott Adams just tweeted this guy’s analysis out to his 600,000 followers and Trump is allegedly gearing up for “total war,” I feel like we may find out before this is all over.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291213)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:35 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

the left has the guy that basically invented computer, the right has the guy that writes the dilbert comic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291224)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:38 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Sorry, is this a naked appeal to authority? Let’s stick to the numbers and the math here, you’re sounding like Donald Blompf and I fuckin’ love science. Back to the technical analysis...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291263)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:55 PM
Author: charcoal twinkling uncleanness

Based

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291483)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:14 PM
Author: white gay wizard



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290977)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:16 PM
Author: Buff wonderful casino

Can't fuck with Benford!!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41290997)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:28 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291140)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:33 PM
Author: Indecent judgmental nursing home karate

How is this your life little guy? Spend some time away from this site.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291193)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:34 PM
Author: Supple indirect expression death wish

trumpmos CRYING LOSING HOAP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291216)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:36 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

much harder to steal an election from PA than FL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291234)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:37 PM
Author: lavender background story

Love some good outsourced diligence. Isn’t this pretty easily explained by the mail-in ballots being dropped off in bunches?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291242)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:40 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

its an analysis of the literal string of numbers of the total votes for biden and trump in a bunch of wards. he finds that the total number of votes for biden beings with a leading 4,5 or 6 in more wards than you'd expect

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291278)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:49 PM
Author: galvanic purple location foreskin

"The law states that in many naturally occurring collections of numbers, the leading digit is likely to be small."

who says that # of votes is one of the data sets that "you'd expect" to follow this pattern? there seem to be plenty of statisticians arguing both sides of that point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291403)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:50 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

yeah maybe im wrong about the values whose leading numbers hes looking at

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291413)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:55 PM
Author: galvanic purple location foreskin

if this guy had a real point, he would run the numbers for WI / PA / GA and then also FL / OH so we could see if there was actually a partisan difference.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291475)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:59 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Well if he doesn’t do that, guess we’ll know it was bullshit.

Maybe we’ll find out soon. Here’s hoping.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291523)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:59 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

you sure are one of those useless gen x middle-man nobodies arent you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291531)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 8:00 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Yep. Not sure why you seem so worked up about this now-debunked horseshit Twitter pseudoscience, though. You already debunked it and I already conceded above. Why keep responding here? People might start thinking your nervous or something.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291539)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 8:01 PM
Author: Charismatic hospital volcanic crater

i love squnaching you types in front of the boomers whose boots you lick

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291550)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 8:00 PM
Author: lavender background story

Got it, I have it a quick glance and don’t understand stats that well.

Seems like this is bordering on the edge of Alex Jones numerology and credible stats. But the pollsters were wrong and stats is fraud lies anyways, so who knows. Do the respect the fact that this guy is pretty smart, and is providing an analysis and not a takeaway.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291544)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 8:03 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Maybe so, I don’t pretend to know shit about this. Just thought it was interesting and libs love debunking dumb right wing bullshit so I figured I’d give them some red meat. Sounds like it’s now totally debunked and the experts would agree that it’s fake and gay and not worth worrying about, we’ll probably never hear about any of this ever again.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291582)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 7:40 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Honestly no clue, not being sarcastic. I’m not a “numbers guy” and I don’t know shit about statistics. But this random guy on Twitter says he does and he posted his step-by-step analysis as well as the code he used to generate it, so I’m just passing it along for libs (who seem very smart and like to brag about how they know a lot about science and math and fuckin love it) to debunk.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41291282)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 9:02 PM
Author: saffron boyish menage

roping ribbons of TBF sarcasm jizz smeared all over this thread.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41292402)



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Date: November 5th, 2020 9:13 PM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

Well I really am gay and retarded and bad at math but otherwise lmao I guess so I guess so

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41292546)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 1:44 AM
Author: Crawly indian lodge legend

The argument that Benford's law shows electoral fraud when applied in this manner is identical to the following argument:

1. Many men claim to be 6 feet tall.

2. Benford's law would suggest that about 30% of heights should start with the number 1.

3. Therefore we know that men are lying about their height, because approximately 30% of men are 1 foot tall.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41295654)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 2:14 AM
Author: vivacious famous landscape painting

(drooling retard)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41295769)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 10:51 AM
Author: Yellow field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41298216)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 2:40 AM
Author: soul-stirring hell old irish cottage

Ok obviously liberal men are shorter but not following you otherwise

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41295851)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 2:50 AM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

I’m not a numbers guy, but even I have to admit the application of Benson’s law to an electoral vote fraud analysis is literally exactly like this, identical in fact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41295885)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 9:10 AM
Author: Crawly indian lodge legend

Let me spell it out more for the slow children.

Benford is good for things like population of a municipality, because municipalities grow by multiplication over a long time period and span multiple orders of magnitude, so we can observe more with populations of 1x, 1xx, 1xxx, 1xxxx, etc, and not so many with populations like 9x, 9xx, 9xxx, 9xxxx.

Benford is not so good if most voting districts have about 1000 people, a candidate received approximately 60% of the vote in a lot of districts. In that case, a lot of his vote total will be 6xx and very few will be 1xx or 1xxx. To start with 1, we need him to either collect nearly every vote or a tiny fraction. That would in fact be a more suspicious result unless we know that districts are very polarized.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41297097)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 10:51 AM
Author: gaped autistic stage organic girlfriend

In that case Trump should have a bunch of 4s, which he doesn't, because the Trump vote count does follow Benford.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41298211)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 11:39 AM
Author: Crawly indian lodge legend

Are you not able to see the bump in the Trump line at 3?

6xx + 3xx = 1000, happy to help Trump voters with addition any time.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41298815)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 1:00 PM
Author: gaped autistic stage organic girlfriend

As you stated above, if the districts are mostly ~1000 people, we would not see the digit distribution shown. 1 is the most common leading digit for both candidates. Even if you assume districts were highly polarized, you would have matching numbers of 8s, which we don't. So clearly most districts are not 1,000 voters.

But in any event your disproportionate 6xx/3xx split argument would indicate a solid lead for Biden, not the tie we currently have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41299751)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 1:05 PM
Author: Crawly indian lodge legend

I’m not saying every district is literally exactly 1000 - you can look this up for yourself. Biden has 1s in big/pro-Biden districts where he made it to 1xxx or small/pro-Trump districts where he got stuck at 1xx. Trump has the opposite.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41299807)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 1:42 PM
Author: gaped autistic stage organic girlfriend

Yeah, that makes sense. But I don't see how Biden would have so many more 400-900 "wins" (vs. 200-400 for Trump) and still end up with a tie. Unless Trump is getting some 2xxx vote counts.

Where are you finding the district-level vote numbers? I only see it by county.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41300187)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 11:53 AM
Author: Milky persian

Here's a paper showing that the chi-square Benford test is trash. When you use the exact same method as the twitter dude, you conclude that random German Bundestag elections might as well be in Nigeria.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Susumu_Shikano/publication/227450786_When_Does_the_Second-Digit_Benford's_Law-Test_Signal_an_Election_Fraud_Facts_or_Misleading_Test_Results/links/0deec51516529c5c65000000.pdf



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41298981)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 12:01 PM
Author: self-centered coldplay fan nibblets

The stats guy did the analysis with first digits, when you're actually supposed to use second digits. See this paper: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237341643_Election_Forensics_Vote_Counts_and_Benford%27s_Law. On page 5-7 the author gives an example where using first digits would lead you to reject the hypothesis that first digits follow Benford's law (evidence of fraud), while using second digits would show conformity with Benford's (no evidence of fraud). Even if done properly, there are reasons to think that Benford's law is not useful for election forensics: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/political-analysis/article/benfords-law-and-the-detection-of-election-fraud/3B1D64E822371C461AF3C61CE91AAF6D



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41299054)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 12:05 PM
Author: Milky persian

Dude, we agree. But the paper I cited is actually better because it uses real data (the paper you just cited was criticized by a statistician on the basis that they use simulated data to demonstrate the poor performance of the Benford's test).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41299095)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 9:12 AM
Author: Excitant hyperventilating brethren

You're making an awful argument. Unsound and invalid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41297114)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 9:43 AM
Author: Crawly indian lodge legend

Go investigate why so many third graders’ weights in lbs start with 5. Who tampered with the scale? What did they do with all the 100 pound 3rd graders? Maybe it’s part of Pizzagate!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41297438)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 9:13 AM
Author: jade round eye

LOL

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41297120)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 10:03 AM
Author: Glassy Preventive Strike Market

Are you retarded? Honest question.

Height, Children's weight, etc, are all bounded by a normal distribution. You are much less likely to find someone whose height starts with "7" than with "5" (likewise even what number it ends in). The same cannot be applied to votes. I hope you can see that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41297651)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 10:25 AM
Author: Crawly indian lodge legend

I'm not arguing from the normal distribution. I'm arguing from the observation that like heights and weights, the answer to the question "How many votes did Biden get out of a ~1000 person district?" is not even close to scale invariant. If you multiplied all the totals by 3 you would get a totally different distribution of first digits (which might accidentally match Benford's law more or less - but it is just irrelevant to this data set).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41297910)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 9:55 AM
Author: Cerebral school cafeteria

I thought statistics were flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41297549)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 10:09 AM
Author: Crawly indian lodge legend

Hey back off, we've gotten some internet tough guy sleuths working here on why lying libs in cities like Detroit report so many temperatures that start with a 5 or a 6. We all know that Detroit is always either 10 degrees or 100 degrees. It's a law that I learned in the intro stats class before I dropped out to take math for people who argue with retards on the internet! Maybe the Fahrenheit scale is the next Obamagate!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41297707)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 11:41 AM
Author: bespoke yarmulke stag film

To be fair,

OK cool so no fraud nothing to see here. Got it.

So why do you care if we waste our time going down a retarded rabbit hole? Why bother even refuting the idiocy in this thread? Do you spend your weekends shitting on QAnon Reddit posts, as well?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41298845)



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Date: November 6th, 2020 11:48 AM
Author: Crawly indian lodge legend

This site it my outlet for this kind of stuff. There is no hope of Reddit posters understanding math or logic. Here there is a slim chance. And if these things are not refuted, people remember the headline and forget that the logic was complete innumerate flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41298909)



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Date: November 25th, 2020 9:35 AM
Author: Exciting church

To be Claire is not bright.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41433755)



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Date: November 25th, 2020 9:22 AM
Author: Exciting church

If we can't trust twitter user statsguyphd who can we trust?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41433677)



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Date: November 25th, 2020 9:38 AM
Author: Aquamarine stimulating tank home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4678409&forum_id=2#41433770)