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Cheapest full frame interchangeable lens camera to buy used?

Tired of dealing with crop sensor focal length bullshit. Jus...
avocado splenetic mother coffee pot
  11/26/20
Sony a7, though I would go with the a7 ii and cop IBIS since...
sickened locus
  11/26/20
ty. Copped the a7 because I got a good deal on one and IBIS ...
avocado splenetic mother coffee pot
  11/27/20
WTF IBIS is cr
maniacal onyx cuckold
  11/27/20
A7ii only gives you 5-axis with Sony lenses. If you're using...
avocado splenetic mother coffee pot
  11/27/20
I'd get a D750, great size and capability + huge market of u...
awkward principal's office
  11/26/20
Looks like it's a pain in the ass to adapt vintage lenses to...
avocado splenetic mother coffee pot
  11/26/20
What don't you like about APS-C? I looked into this extensiv...
Scarlet shitlib garrison
  11/27/20
1. Fewer wide angle options for APS-C unless you buy lenses ...
avocado splenetic mother coffee pot
  11/27/20
I suspect that 99% (and maybe 100%) of XO is the target audi...
Mentally Impaired Curious Knife
  11/27/20
there's gotta be a ton of old canons dslrs and you can't bea...
Massive lodge really tough guy
  11/27/20
Already have plenty of lenses. I was using them on an APS-C ...
avocado splenetic mother coffee pot
  11/27/20
If you're tight on cash, APS-C Fuji is tcr.
Mentally Impaired Curious Knife
  11/28/20
a6000 actually, though I'm one of those people who likes Fuj...
big pit
  11/28/20
For Sony glass you either pay a ton or have to use crappy th...
Mentally Impaired Curious Knife
  11/28/20
Contax g mount is crappy glass??
big pit
  11/28/20
ok if you want to shoot legacy lenses manual focus style ful...
Massive lodge really tough guy
  11/28/20
Option A sounds miserable.
Mentally Impaired Curious Knife
  11/28/20
maybe he shoots landscapes. in which case you can ever ge...
Massive lodge really tough guy
  11/28/20
I can manual focus fast as fuck on my DSLR, though I added a...
big pit
  11/28/20
well really manually focusing has never been easier because ...
Massive lodge really tough guy
  11/28/20
I'm very familiar with the benefits of EVFs wrt manual focus...
big pit
  11/28/20
that's cool. i will admit that trying to capture kid will r...
Massive lodge really tough guy
  11/28/20
I do rule of thirds maybe 75% of the time. My subject is rar...
big pit
  11/28/20
Edit: nm
orchid prole parlor
  11/28/20
yeah AF does suck too. that's true because it doesn't do we...
Massive lodge really tough guy
  11/28/20
Number one complaint with any DSLR, even the highest end mod...
sickened locus
  11/28/20
Calibrating AF is a real thing and it really has to be done ...
Demanding translucent hairy legs legal warrant
  11/28/20
You're talking about DSLRs with phase detect here. A Sony mi...
orchid prole parlor
  11/28/20
Cool which tak? You ain't shit till you've used a lens ...
sickened locus
  11/28/20
35mm f2 mostly. I also have the radioactive 50mm 1.4. Not hi...
big pit
  11/28/20
...
sickened locus
  11/28/20
I'm hoping the price of used K-1s fall when the replacement ...
big pit
  11/28/20
any of you photography faggots shoot film still?
Massive lodge really tough guy
  11/29/20
Still?
Mentally Impaired Curious Knife
  12/03/20


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Date: November 26th, 2020 12:39 PM
Author: avocado splenetic mother coffee pot

Tired of dealing with crop sensor focal length bullshit. Just want something to horse around with. I mostly shoot manual and DGAF about megapixel count.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41440508)



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Date: November 26th, 2020 12:54 PM
Author: sickened locus

Sony a7, though I would go with the a7 ii and cop IBIS since there's no real price difference between the two at this point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41440590)



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Date: November 27th, 2020 10:42 PM
Author: avocado splenetic mother coffee pot

ty. Copped the a7 because I got a good deal on one and IBIS on the ii seems like flame.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448217)



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Date: November 27th, 2020 11:55 PM
Author: maniacal onyx cuckold

WTF IBIS is cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448516)



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Date: November 27th, 2020 11:56 PM
Author: avocado splenetic mother coffee pot

A7ii only gives you 5-axis with Sony lenses. If you're using random old lenses you only get ttt 3 axis

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448522)



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Date: November 26th, 2020 12:58 PM
Author: awkward principal's office

I'd get a D750, great size and capability + huge market of used Nikon lenses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41440615)



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Date: November 26th, 2020 1:04 PM
Author: avocado splenetic mother coffee pot

Looks like it's a pain in the ass to adapt vintage lenses to that one. I have a bunch of old screw mount lenses that i can use pretty easily with Fuji, Olympus, Sony and I think Canon, but not so sure about Nikon or other brands.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41440659)



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Date: November 27th, 2020 11:43 PM
Author: Scarlet shitlib garrison

What don't you like about APS-C? I looked into this extensively and decided that full frame is flame for most of my needs, and I actually like the fact that the crop sensor gives my lenses longer range.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448470)



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Date: November 27th, 2020 11:50 PM
Author: avocado splenetic mother coffee pot

1. Fewer wide angle options for APS-C unless you buy lenses made specifically for APS-C sensors,

2. I shoot mostly with old manual lenses, and there is a relatively poor selection of 35mm prime lenses vs all 50mm's floating around out there. I want my cheap oldb50mms to shoot at 50mm, not 75mm.

3. Low light performance - I shoot a lot indoors and don't like to fuck around with flashes. Tired of shooting everything at 3200 ISO and then trying to clean up the noise in lightroom.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448497)



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Date: November 27th, 2020 11:59 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Curious Knife

I suspect that 99% (and maybe 100%) of XO is the target audience for APS-C.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448532)



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Date: November 27th, 2020 11:45 PM
Author: Massive lodge really tough guy

there's gotta be a ton of old canons dslrs and you can't beat the lenses

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448476)



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Date: November 27th, 2020 11:51 PM
Author: avocado splenetic mother coffee pot

Already have plenty of lenses. I was using them on an APS-C fuji with $15 adapters. Sony seems to be the most compatible with them. With canons you can get adapters but you run into issues with some of the lenses hitting the mirror when focused to infinity.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448500)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:01 AM
Author: Mentally Impaired Curious Knife

If you're tight on cash, APS-C Fuji is tcr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448543)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:03 AM
Author: big pit

a6000 actually, though I'm one of those people who likes Fuji's fake colors.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448558)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:13 AM
Author: Mentally Impaired Curious Knife

For Sony glass you either pay a ton or have to use crappy third-party glass. Fuji first party glass is great. I have the XC 15-45 kit lens and I love it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448602)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:30 AM
Author: big pit

Contax g mount is crappy glass??

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448662)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:19 AM
Author: Massive lodge really tough guy

ok if you want to shoot legacy lenses manual focus style full frame and miss at least 50% of shots then you want a mirrorless full frame, probably a sony A7 from 3 generations back, and then can use the best 35mm legacy glass. Which are typically leica and zeiss.

or just buy the a7riii or whatever 1 gen back and one of the sony GM zooms and shoot like 50MP on modern glass.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448622)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:22 AM
Author: Mentally Impaired Curious Knife

Option A sounds miserable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448630)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:25 AM
Author: Massive lodge really tough guy

maybe he shoots landscapes.

in which case you can ever get those zeiss zm manual focus lenses that don't color shift on a sony a7.

i forgot about that. at some point the a7 stopped being friends to legacy glass. it is something about the glass thickness covering the sensor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448643)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:35 AM
Author: big pit

I can manual focus fast as fuck on my DSLR, though I added a split focusing screen and a magnifying diopter to make that possible because DSLRs are just not designed with manual focus in mind. DSLRs have to be fine-adjusted for each lens or else you'll have front and back focus issues. Sometimes you have to adjust the whole body. I shoot a ton with an old takumar 50mm and I barely get more missed shots than when I shoot with a fast focusing AF lens. Once you get familiar with the focus throw on an old lens you don't even think about it.

I can also shoot in aperture priority mode must of the time with old glass, same as I do 90% of the time with modern lenses. Even in program mode I can get optimal metering with the press of a button.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448680)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:40 AM
Author: Massive lodge really tough guy

well really manually focusing has never been easier because of EVFs with mirrorless, which can let you zoom with touch controls.

i don't actually believe you because if you ever focused a fast lens with an EVR zoomed in you'll see how crazy shallow focus can truly be even if you stand there for like 30 seconds barely leaning in and out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448695)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:46 AM
Author: big pit

I'm very familiar with the benefits of EVFs wrt manual focusing and use it for basically every still shot. With moving shots though it's really not an issue to use the ttl viewfinder. If I'm taking pictures of my kid on a swing I set focus distance at the point where I want to capture the image and do high speed continuous shooting. If the subject is moving towards me or away from I can do continuous shooting while slowly turning the focus right left or right. But really that's usually not necessary because once you're familiar with the focus throw on a good lens you develop an intuitive sense of how much you need to twist the ring to bring your subject into focus at a given distance. I learned to shoot on a spotmatic and I find many AF implementations frustrating, especially since they often focus on the wrong part of the image and you have to fuck around with a d-pad and focus lock if your subject is not dead center in your composition. I would rather just twist the focus ring and use my eyes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448715)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:55 AM
Author: Massive lodge really tough guy

that's cool. i will admit that trying to capture kid will result in many more missed shots any way. on a swing or something in the fall months, probably will miss a lot of them. maybe get lucky.

now on a swing in the winter months you can't realistically stop down much.

now maybe you are a practiced manual focus masterman. I can say that I've missed a "perfect shot" more than once because I had to manually focus and part of me thought, why?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448743)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 1:05 AM
Author: big pit

I do rule of thirds maybe 75% of the time. My subject is rarely dead center. That's where manual focus really speeds things up for me. With AF I have to either center on my subject, hit focus lock and hope the subject doesn't move while I shift back to the center (and hope my AF-L settings aren't fucked up), or Ib have to use that gay d-pad thing where you choose a focus point on the viewfinder and tell the camera to track the subject in that focus point. The latter works great but it takes me 20x longer than just flicking the focus ring. I guess I could do the former with AF-C but that's another switch I have to flip, which again takes more time than slightly twisting the focus ring.

Admittedly AF is superior for sports and low light settings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448777)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 1:20 AM
Author: orchid prole parlor

Edit: nm

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448832)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 1:23 AM
Author: Massive lodge really tough guy

yeah AF does suck too. that's true because it doesn't do well with non-obvious subjects. at least i don't have the latest and greatest 1 million point AF or whatever. maybe need that instead.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448842)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 1:45 AM
Author: sickened locus

Number one complaint with any DSLR, even the highest end models, is always something to do with the autofocus. Switching to mirrorless solves most of these issues because it allows for faster and more accurate focusing (assuming you are using a modern lens).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448897)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 1:16 AM
Author: Demanding translucent hairy legs legal warrant

Calibrating AF is a real thing and it really has to be done with each AF lens or else you will get a bizarre number of oof shots. There are a few different ways of doing it but the conventional process requires a focus chart, which costs $70 and requires a tripod.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448809)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 1:22 AM
Author: orchid prole parlor

You're talking about DSLRs with phase detect here. A Sony mirrorless will focus plenty fast and does not need calibrating

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448838)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 1:38 AM
Author: sickened locus

Cool which tak?

You ain't shit till you've used a lens spanner and ammonium hydroxide to clean your old lens elements though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448890)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 2:01 AM
Author: big pit

35mm f2 mostly. I also have the radioactive 50mm 1.4. Not hipster enough to CLA my own lenses, I just don't buy dirty ones. I have an old Zeiss with bubbles in the glass but I barely use it because the focusing ring is too stiff.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448922)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 1:57 AM
Author: sickened locus



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448915)



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Date: November 28th, 2020 12:03 AM
Author: big pit

I'm hoping the price of used K-1s fall when the replacement comes out next year, but that's mostly because I'm addicted to Pentax menus and control layouts and I like real viewfinders. A7 series seems cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41448554)



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Date: November 29th, 2020 1:04 AM
Author: Massive lodge really tough guy

any of you photography faggots shoot film still?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41454158)



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Date: December 3rd, 2020 10:59 PM
Author: Mentally Impaired Curious Knife

Still?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4699152&forum_id=2#41482773)