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where is best place to get old as fuck oil paintings that are not expensive?
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:05 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station I have a few 100+ year old paintings inherited from family (one is a priest painting that is probably over 200 years old, we are not sure, another is an 1899 painting of some badass old black dude that an ancestor of mine painted, to name a few).
I'm not trying to buy a Picasso. But where can I get really badass old oil paintings that aren't really expensive? I'm talking a few hundred bucks even. |
Date: March 1st, 2021 10:10 PM Author: laughsome abode thrift stores (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031916) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:11 PM Author: gold french chef almost every old oil painting is worth at least $10,000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031921) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:13 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap link to extremely old ones for sub-20k? i am interested (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031927) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:14 PM Author: gold french chef Here's one on a deep discount I've been eyeing. Please let me know if you're going to buy it first.
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/wall-decorations/paintings/large-antique-oil-painting-sheep-shepherdess-antique-giltwood-frame/id-f_7073083/ |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:17 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station this one caught my eye https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/wall-decorations/paintings/mid-19th-century-spanish-oil-painting-saint-francis/id-f_21542652/ |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:18 PM Author: gold french chef I've been following this one too with a lot of interest
https://www.1stdibs.com/art/prints-works-on-paper/figurative-prints-works-on-paper/after-egon-schiele-masturbating-woman-surrounded-black/id-a_1809203/ |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:19 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station i went to some picasso museum in spain and like half the paintings there were shit like this, up closing vagina paintings, etc (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031969) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:20 PM Author: gold french chef It was the pornography for creative deviants of the early 20th c. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031972) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:20 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap I'm confused
is this an actual doodle by _the_ pablo picasso for $795 or am I misreading this? https://www.1stdibs.com/art/prints-works-on-paper/abstract-prints-works-on-paper/pablo-picasso-pour-roby-lage-de-soleil-1950-bloch-680/id-a_7647532/ |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:28 PM Author: gold french chef This is an actual (shitty) scribble by Picasso. Picasso was much more prolific than people realize; he was constantly scribbling shit out for people, signing napkins, doing 30 second drawings on notepads and sheets. The public has this impression that "great artist" = "few works" and for some artists that's true but Picasso isn't one of them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032028) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:29 PM Author: motley friendly grandma it's an etching i.e., a print (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032035) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:30 PM Author: gold french chef But this is something actually done by Picasso. It wasn't done in a workshop. It's his hand. Or at least his "hand." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032040) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:32 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap what do you mean "'hand'" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032052) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:36 PM Author: gold french chef Picasso was notorious for having like 100 intern slaves who contributed to many of his works especially as he got older. There's a very complicated art history that gets studied here. Sometimes they'd just start the work and then he'd take over; at other points they were basically functioning as a creative assembly line with Pablo just adding a few finishing touches. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032075) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:36 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap how do you know it was actually done by picasso (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032073) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:37 PM Author: gold french chef Because it says so otherwise it would attribute it to a reproduction factory or else they're going to get sued. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032080) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:44 PM Author: Soul-stirring institution Read “The Goldfinch”. Lawsuits settle, and dealers have ways of protecting themselves. It’s a neat niche to get into. Lawsuits often end up “no harm no foul” quiet reimbursements. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032122) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:44 PM Author: gold french chef ty (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032125) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:45 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap hmmmm... so you're saying I should buy this and file a lawsuit? what's my basis for saying they lied in the complaint? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032129) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:46 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station thinking out loud here - fraud claim backed up by an expert testifying that its fake and that they knew about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032136) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:46 PM Author: gold french chef I'll do the representation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032142) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:48 PM Author: Soul-stirring institution But they had chain of title and independent verification and all their assurances were quitclaimed. And they didn’t know it was fake when they sold it. And they invited you to do your own investigation before buying. How can they know other than to confirm and represent the bonafides as presented to them. Also the art gets cache simply by being owned by famous collectors, if only for a little while.
“Whoops, sorry, I’ll quietly give you your money back,” is how these things go whenever they are called out on a fake. And that only happens some 5 percent of the time. |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:52 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station explain quitclaiming an assurance. I thought that was just for real property but maybe they have some unique art rules for this shit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032189) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:57 PM Author: Soul-stirring institution I don’t know what the term is. Really all I know is that dealers have ways of covering their asses, and when it gets bad and they’ve screwed up they just quietly reimburse the money. We are all art lovers here. Same thing happens w antiques. It’s a fun business to get into. |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:40 PM Author: motley friendly grandma it's a printed copy of an etched plate, dude. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032100) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:41 PM Author: gold french chef Yeah I get that it was done in his workshop. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032106) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:18 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station uunnngghhhhh mid 17th century https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/wall-decorations/paintings/17th-century-italian-oil-painting/id-f_20433362/ |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:19 PM Author: gold french chef https://www.1stdibs.com/art/drawings-watercolor-paintings/figurative-drawings-watercolors/keith-haring-untitled-original-ink-watercolor-keith-haring-1986/id-a_6992022/ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031968) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:20 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station lol $45k (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031970) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:20 PM Author: gold french chef Right it's totally underpriced right now there's an opportunity for someone with some courage of conviction. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031976) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 8:37 AM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033745) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:13 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station apparently back in the 60s you could go to Europe and buy several hundred year old paintings for ridiculously cheap. They had so many and no one wanted them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031931) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:14 PM Author: gold french chef Right they were the tchotchkes of mid-20th c. Europe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42031941) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:27 PM Author: gold french chef Baby Boomer booming w/ a $4m Norman Rockwell purchase:
https://www.1stdibs.com/art/paintings/figurative-paintings/norman-rockwell-santa-on-train-saturday-evening-post-cover/id-a_1766363/ |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:32 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032048) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:37 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032077) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:37 PM Author: swashbuckling violet halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032084) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:40 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032092) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:40 PM Author: swashbuckling violet halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032098) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:41 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032105) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:42 PM Author: swashbuckling violet halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032114) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:45 PM Author: Citrine Mad-dog Skullcap (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032131) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:41 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station how do you even get that authenticated? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032108) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:42 PM Author: gold french chef https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/163854966/muhammad-ali (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032113) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 9:14 AM Author: gold french chef holy shit u actually bought it didn't u (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033880) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:32 PM Author: swashbuckling violet halford (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032050) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:35 PM Author: metal mewling keepsake machete site Abebooks has some cool stuff (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032063) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:37 PM Author: gold french chef This is now a 1stdibs thread. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032082) |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:39 PM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station rate some of my current top pieces (some of my others are in storage right now when I moved to a smaller place) https://imgur.com/Zq1N9B2 - my pride and joy. Really really old, frame is even super old. Inscription on the bottom says it used to be owned by Richard E Berlin, former long time CEO of Hurst Foundation
https://imgur.com/M6vW3uR - 1899 painting done by one of my ancestors. No clue who he was
https://imgur.com/iuQtrDj - another old one that we have no idea what it is
https://imgur.com/mPcftuP - drawing by Benny Goodman (the jazz artist) of him and my grandmother hanging out, they used to date
also have a framed autograph of King George III |
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Date: March 1st, 2021 10:46 PM Author: Soul-stirring institution Neat. How do u folks have fancy ancestors like that. Mine were just smart enough to roll from one superpower to the next over the course of millennia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032139) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 3:32 AM Author: Insecure Party Of The First Part Death Wish Those are awesome
An autograph of king George wtf that must be worth money |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 3:39 AM Author: thirsty multi-colored theatre famous landscape painting holy shit 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033270) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 7:00 AM Author: Glassy very tactful ratface dirte's chad grandmother banging Harmon Killebrew doodikoff's melvin grandmother-Benny Goodman |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 8:40 AM Author: Amber Cruise Ship 180000 last one looks straight out of where the sidewalk ends |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 8:50 AM Author: Vibrant tantric lay sandwich Last 2 are awesome bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033795) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 12:35 AM Author: Charcoal office persian When you buy old European paintings look at the back for seals or auction numbers and also to see if it’s painted on board or on canvas. If you can see the piece in person some dealers say you should smell it because new paint will have a distinct odor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42032771) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 3:33 AM Author: Insecure Party Of The First Part Death Wish Great thread (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033266) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 7:33 AM Author: cruel-hearted library tank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033529) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 8:45 AM Author: fragrant frum stead cuckoldry (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033775) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 9:37 AM Author: gold french chef (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033980) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 11:17 AM Author: yapping chapel reading party (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42034546) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 8:17 PM Author: Insecure Party Of The First Part Death Wish (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42037761) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 3:46 AM Author: indigo forum new version Hotel furniture liquidators.
My mother took me to one of these and it was nonsense. All these hotel and real estate staging dining/bedroom/living room sets plus paintings/prints for low prices. |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 8:41 AM Author: Mind-boggling parlor Just about any quality museum or art gallery if you have the right tools. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033760) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 8:48 AM Author: iridescent public bath 1st dibs is probably the worst place in terms of cost. Everything is 3-5x what you would pay for it at auction. Pro antic is a similar French option, that tends to be similarly overpriced. Direct at auction from a reputable house is best from a cost perspective. US auction houses will typically list on one or both of Invaluable and liveauctioneers, except Sotheby’s and Christie’s I think run exclusively on their own platform (and cater to higher end stuff). Invaluable and liveauctioneers will also have European auctions, although some smaller French/euro houses are only on drouot or interencheres. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033791) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 8:55 AM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station Exactly why I made this thread. Thank you! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033811) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 9:07 AM Author: iridescent public bath 1st dibs is good in terms of identifying artists or styles you like, and some of the sellers are professional galleries so the selection is more curated. Other sellers are basically just flipping auction buys and cross listing on 1st dibs, ebay Buy Now, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033850) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 9:08 AM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station What’s the best way to get information about paintings that you own. Find a local art appraiser? How much do those cost?
And thank you |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 9:13 AM Author: iridescent public bath Not sure. Both galleries and Auction Houses provide appraisal services I think, don't know the cost.
If looking on your own, probably google is the place to start. Is there a legible signature on the front or back? |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 9:29 AM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station No
Only thing is the Richard Berlin inscription on the frame
My grandmother used to go to a lot of art auctions in nyc |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 9:39 AM Author: iridescent public bath If you like the one by your relative, search for "orientalist" paintings. A lot of late 1800s-early 1900s paintings of the ME (street scenes, portraits, seascapes etc.) by european painters. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42033991) |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 11:10 AM Author: narrow-minded voyeur station looked at liveauctioneers in my town, these were in the first "collection" that came up
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/98279511_tom-bianchi-signed-gelatin-silver-male-nude-photograph
https://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/98279512_tom-bianchi-couch-series-signed-limited-ed-photograph |
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Date: March 2nd, 2021 11:14 AM Author: iridescent public bath 48 bidders watching. Get in quick. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4777786&forum_id=2#42034533) |
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Date: March 3rd, 2021 10:20 AM Author: iridescent public bath You should be able to ship within the US for less than $100, so I wouldn't limit it to your city. Off the top of my head, some of the one that seem to have good art listings (outside of Sotheby's, Christie's):
Bonham's (International, but has US auctions) Doyle (NYC) Heritage (Dallas) Freeman's (Philly) Leland Little (NC) Hindman (Chicago) Toomey (Chicago) Clars (Oakland) Clarke (Outside NYC) Litchfield (CT)
Internationally: Artcurial, Osenat, Tajan, Ader, Millon, Cornette St Cyr (France) Bonham's, Cheffins, Chiswick, Roseberys (UK) Vanderkindere (Belgium), Dobiaschofsky (Swiss), Koller (Swiss)
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