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How to get good at cross examination

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aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/02/22
Do tree learn exact steps on how to do impeachment from d...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/02/22
What’s tree?
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/02/22
heavily leading yes no questions where you can do good stuff...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/02/22
Yea I generally get this. I guess I just need more practice
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/02/22
there are groups like NITA (expensive) or NITA-ish that put ...
Boyish National
  12/02/22
Make a list of concessions you need, then figure out what qu...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
Not good on my feet. Low verbal IQ I suppose. If I could be ...
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/03/22
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wine narrow-minded resort
  12/03/22
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Clear Stock Car House
  12/03/22
fair point
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/03/22
Start with carefully writing out all your questions. Youll ...
Thriller fantasy-prone public bath messiness
  12/03/22
im gay
crusty marketing idea legend
  12/03/22
I did that but had my asshole boss passing me notes the whol...
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/03/22
Yeah, that would fuck up my flow too
Thriller fantasy-prone public bath messiness
  12/03/22
Credited. That’s the worst. It’s anxious for eve...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
This is exactly the point I try to make below -- if you writ...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
You can prepare for every possible answer by only having &qu...
Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster
  12/03/22
Yeah, but OP needs to work on question construction and deve...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
Oh fo'sho. He needs to get wording down, otherwise the wi...
Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster
  12/03/22
Or even worse, preemptively mitigate any damage he's trying ...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
watch Matlock
Cerebral translucent step-uncle's house
  12/02/22
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aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/02/22
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aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/02/22
Don’t take any tips from spaceporn for starters
filthy adventurous giraffe
  12/02/22
Seems like the opposite
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/02/22
How many cases have you tried, bub?
filthy adventurous giraffe
  12/02/22
Hundreds. Maybe 1000.
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/02/22
Sure bub sure
filthy adventurous giraffe
  12/03/22
Cross is easy. Have points you want to argue in closing that...
Burgundy Passionate Hominid
  12/02/22
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heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/02/22
Hm ok
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/03/22
Remember in cross you only want to get one point or fact in ...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
does this example help Poastradamus? Figure out what points...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Almost all of those are phrased wrong, hth.
Alcoholic Pale University
  12/03/22
It might help. How do you believe they are incorrectly phra...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Go ahead ... Seriously. If there's a better way I'm all ear...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
You never start a question with "do you remember" ...
Alcoholic Pale University
  12/03/22
Okay. What else.
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
"Premies have desat signs all the time, right?" ...
Alcoholic Pale University
  12/03/22
he's actually going to have to agree with me there. Reme...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
"But despite this left shift ratio you didn't suspect i...
Alcoholic Pale University
  12/03/22
He told me in depo he didnt suspect it at all--wasnt on his ...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
"Suspect" is too vague and allows for innumerate w...
Clear Stock Car House
  12/03/22
I dont think so. IT's in a medical context. It's a medical...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Then agree on the meaning of "suspect" during cros...
Clear Stock Car House
  12/03/22
Already done at this point. Its in opening from both si...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Okay, maybe youve got a point. I'll add a quesiton after th...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Seriously. Help me tighten it up. My thought is that it's ...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
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heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Go ahead. This is a no judgment zone
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
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heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Obv I don't know your case, but if the point is that the sta...
Alcoholic Pale University
  12/03/22
Okay. will cut out the extranous bit at the beginning as t...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Poastradamus, this should be instructive: don't question peo...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
Cr. Golden rule of witness examination is that the witness w...
balding point
  12/03/22
The answer is yes or no. They can and will always fight the ...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Depends on the context. If the judgment precipitates an acti...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
No. This is stupid, as I would expect from you, and is the p...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/04/22
Lol DK all over the place. I’m going to call you Mr...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/04/22
This is so incoherent that I stopped reading halfway through...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/04/22
lol sure bud
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/04/22
Seems like it would be pretty obvious 1. Make a list of c...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
Yea this is basically my approach. I still stumble sometimes...
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/03/22
Lol you just need reps probably. Do drills with somebody, an...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
Agreed. I’m definitely more than prepared and have all...
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/03/22
Every question should be prepared verbatim (so you can ensur...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
See edit to above
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
Engage in Xo subthread wastelands until 50 msgs deep no fewe...
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Irv Younger's 10 Commandments of Cross Exam: Be brief Us...
Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster
  12/03/22
Yes.
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aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/03/22
have a big cock and make sure it's semi hard under your trou...
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aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/03/22
The big cock won't affect the witness. However, the women...
Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster
  12/03/22
Where most lawyers mess up is not controlling the witness. I...
balding point
  12/03/22
the witness is gonna wiggle, regardless in a Depo. they ...
Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster
  12/03/22
Yeah, but impeachment with a deposition (assuming the depo w...
balding point
  12/03/22
Yeah. I fucked up once many years ago. In depo I had a docto...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/04/22
Better would be: - "Mr. Faggot, you've said right her...
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
Drop two of the three of the corrects and this is good
balding point
  12/03/22
Yeah, bad habit of mine
saffron hairraiser azn codepig
  12/03/22
I get into it too, especially in the moment, and have to cor...
balding point
  12/03/22
180
Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster
  12/03/22
During Cross, you are simply trying to get the witness to ag...
Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster
  12/03/22
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heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/04/22
Also, this is more advanced, but it helps to have your quest...
balding point
  12/03/22
Yeah but sometimes you need the “right?” as a so...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/03/22
Learn from experienced attorneys and watching good cross exa...
Clear Stock Car House
  12/03/22
This is always a good idea but remember that most attys coul...
heady lilac chapel juggernaut
  12/04/22
Get married
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  12/03/22
didn't a texas lawyer make a billion calling opposing counse...
Cerise odious stage
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Yeah, but he backed it up by legit being ready to throw down...
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I hate EPAH but he's probably the only poaster who I would a...
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Clear Stock Car House
  12/03/22
I hate litigation
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  12/04/22
Tell me about it. What a stupid charade trials are. So much ...
aromatic impertinent market laser beams
  12/04/22


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Date: December 2nd, 2022 6:01 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45576240)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 6:02 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Do tree

learn exact steps on how to do impeachment from depo. Or alternatively, fuck up impeachment from depo at trial, lose the case, then learn how to ask better depo questions

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45576252)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 6:05 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

What’s tree?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45576265)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 6:08 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

heavily leading yes no questions where you can do good stuff regardless of how they answer There's more to it than that but i just spent two hours rehabilitating an expert so Im tired.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45576287)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 6:17 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

Yea I generally get this. I guess I just need more practice

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45576330)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 6:18 PM
Author: Boyish National

there are groups like NITA (expensive) or NITA-ish that put on 2 or 3 day workshops. invest in yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45576340)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 11:38 AM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Make a list of concessions you need, then figure out what question will make them say it. This should be easy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579282)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 12:30 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

Not good on my feet. Low verbal IQ I suppose. If I could be a litigator who never sees a court room I’d be a happy man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579605)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:06 PM
Author: wine narrow-minded resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580006)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:15 PM
Author: Clear Stock Car House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580041)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:33 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

fair point

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580696)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:35 PM
Author: Thriller fantasy-prone public bath messiness

Start with carefully writing out all your questions. Youll obviously fuck up somehow if you’re just winging it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580704)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:37 PM
Author: crusty marketing idea legend

im gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580718)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:39 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

I did that but had my asshole boss passing me notes the whole time and I think that is what threw me off

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580731)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:41 PM
Author: Thriller fantasy-prone public bath messiness

Yeah, that would fuck up my flow too

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580748)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:31 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Credited. That’s the worst. It’s anxious for everyone but boss should be able to control himself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582195)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:32 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

This is exactly the point I try to make below -- if you write your questions carefully during your prep, with an eye for how you would avoid giving up the concession you want from a witness, and prepare for literally every possible answer for your questions, you don't have to be quick on your feet.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580936)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:37 PM
Author: Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster

You can prepare for every possible answer by only having "points" you want to address, instead of writing an entire script.

If I want to address 4 specific points, then it doens't matter if the witness veers off-topic. I can follow him, and then come back to the *POINT* I wanted to address, instead feeling like I have to ask questions in a certain order.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580945)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:41 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Yeah, but OP needs to work on question construction and develop that skill before he just works off of an outline. The purpose of him poring over precise wording is for him to eventually move past that and understand how to ask good questions spontaneously. Scripts are the first step to that. Entirely CR that it's not the desired end state though.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580961)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:44 PM
Author: Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster

Oh fo'sho.

He needs to get wording down, otherwise the witness can be a smart-ass and say, "I'm not sure what you mean by that question"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580969)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:49 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Or even worse, preemptively mitigate any damage he's trying to do, in a way that he can't overcome by reasoning the question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580993)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 6:18 PM
Author: Cerebral translucent step-uncle's house

watch Matlock

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45576336)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 7:20 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45576596)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 9:57 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45577409)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 9:58 PM
Author: filthy adventurous giraffe

Don’t take any tips from spaceporn for starters

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45577415)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 10:03 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Seems like the opposite

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45577439)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 10:04 PM
Author: filthy adventurous giraffe

How many cases have you tried, bub?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45577444)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 10:06 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Hundreds. Maybe 1000.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45577453)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 8:55 AM
Author: filthy adventurous giraffe

Sure bub sure

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45578704)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 10:08 PM
Author: Burgundy Passionate Hominid

Cross is easy. Have points you want to argue in closing that you know you can prove (either because the witness will agree or you can impeach them on it). Get in and get out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45577461)



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Date: December 2nd, 2022 10:08 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45577464)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 8:17 AM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

Hm ok

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45578635)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:36 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Remember in cross you only want to get one point or fact in with every question. Don't try to get more than one point in. So it's step by step. It's not like you score with every question. You build something up, with a number of one-fact leading questions that they either have to agree with or look like idiots by not agreeing. Then you have a question with the point at the end of that, and given the concessions that they already made it doesnt matter how they answer.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579871)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:53 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

does this example help Poastradamus? Figure out what points you want to score or emphasize and then plan the latticework behind getting to that point effectively

You want it set up so you get to the point you want and it doesnt matter what he says. LITERALLY write it out. No short cuts on big cases--defense wont let you.

Remember also you HAVE to get them to answer each quesiton. They HAVE to answer. Go back until they give you an answer that is responsive. If they are fighting and wont agree to a damn thing, just plough through even with their nos. They'll sound unreasonable.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579939)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:55 PM
Author: Alcoholic Pale University

Almost all of those are phrased wrong, hth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579953)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:56 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

It might help. How do you believe they are incorrectly phrased.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579963)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:02 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Go ahead ... Seriously. If there's a better way I'm all ears.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579990)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:04 PM
Author: Alcoholic Pale University

You never start a question with "do you remember" because it automatically invites the complete response "not really."

So the first one is "you gave a deposition in this case on [date]?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579997)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:05 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Okay. What else.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580002)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:06 PM
Author: Alcoholic Pale University

"Premies have desat signs all the time, right?"

Way too vague. WTF does "all the time" mean? The witness is going to say "all the time?" and then you'll engage in a subthread wasteland trying to clarify what you meant.

All of these need to be tightened up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580005)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:08 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

he's actually going to have to agree with me there.

Remember I want to get in and out and not fight him on the medicine. If he argues that they dont have desats all the time then that's hugely helpful for me for other reasons. If he argues that he doesnt understand the question that's in straightofard language then it doesnt hurt me and it might help me.

But in principle your point is good.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580013)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:07 PM
Author: Alcoholic Pale University

"But despite this left shift ratio you didn't suspect infection, correct?"

This is just appalling, unless you're the defense counsel.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580008)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:08 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

He told me in depo he didnt suspect it at all--wasnt on his differentials.

How would you phrase? Seriously.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580016)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:13 PM
Author: Clear Stock Car House

"Suspect" is too vague and allows for innumerate ways to weasel out of the question. You can initially suspect something, gather evidence, suspect something else, gather more evidence, and suspect something entirely different. Even if you have him at depo saying he didn't suspect infection, there's an elided time element that may or may not be relevant.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580028)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:15 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

I dont think so. IT's in a medical context. It's a medical term of art. If you "suspect" it it means its on your differentials and you have to rule it out. the word is literally part of the rule of the case

But thanks for the input. In other settings youd be absolutely right (and I wouldnt do it in other cases)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580038)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:17 PM
Author: Clear Stock Car House

Then agree on the meaning of "suspect" during cross. A lay jury won't understand that without instruction on that specific term, and even then, only to the extent the judge can convince them that they must adopt this logic in their deliberations, and even then, only to the extent of the average juror's capability of suspending disbelief in a limited context.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580047)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:18 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Already done at this point.

Its in opening from both sides and all plaintiff's experts have testified that if its "suspected" you have to rule it out.

Still ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580055)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:21 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Okay, maybe youve got a point. I'll add a quesiton after the vigilance one

and maybe change vigilance to look out for while I'm at it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580067)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:13 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Seriously. Help me tighten it up. My thought is that it's fine but if you can show me something better and I think it's an improvement given the unique qualities of the case IU'll take it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580030)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:22 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580073)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:29 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Go ahead. This is a no judgment zone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580106)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:31 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580117)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:30 PM
Author: Alcoholic Pale University

Obv I don't know your case, but if the point is that the standard of care is to perform test X in circumstance Y, who gives a fuck what he "suspected" and asking him that gives him ten options for explaining why he didn't "suspect" it. The only point you need to make is that he *didn't order that test that he should have.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580113)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:32 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Okay. will cut out the extranous bit at the beginning as that seems the problem hold on

"you didn't suspect infection, correct?"

"and you didnt' order follow up testing to rule infection in or out, correct?"

End point

Same issue with the responses but he's going to do that no matter what.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580124)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:29 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Poastradamus, this should be instructive: don't question people's judgment in a way that lets them try to explain it. Focus on tangibles and then argue from those in your closing.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580928)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:38 PM
Author: balding point

Cr. Golden rule of witness examination is that the witness will always protect zherself. Getting into a fight with them about motives or judgement will always go sideways

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580951)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:31 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

The answer is yes or no. They can and will always fight the bit no matter the question but you don’t move to the next question until they commit one way or the other.

So that’s a yes? Or so that’s a no? If they fuck around too much and refuse to answer it’s not a good look for them if you’ve planned it out. Take it as a no, tell them that’s how you are taking it, and move to next question based on their response as a no.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582193)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:55 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Depends on the context. If the judgment precipitates an action or not, you have to go after the reasonableness of the judgment. Otherwise the response is always going to be that the judgment itself was within the reasonable range.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582288)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 3:40 AM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

No. This is stupid, as I would expect from you, and is the perfect example of "asking one question too many" -- no one is ever going to agree they acted unreasonably, so don't ask them to. Instead, ask them about actions they can't gainsay, and don't give them an opportunity to mitigate any damage you do with references to why it was reasonable. Make it about their judgment in your closing.

I am not a lawyer and I am better than you at your job.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582859)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 9:23 AM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Lol DK all over the place. I’m going to call you Mr. DK from now on.

But this is amusing. Tell me more about “one question too many” dude.

That “one question too many” is gonna get asked on redirect, you know. And then your credibility as truth talker goes down the tubes for not having been perceived as forthright with the jury. That’s why the cliche doesn’t work. But you don’t know that and why should you because you haven’t had 20 years experience as a lawyer but you don’t know what you don’t know and lol at how that doesn’t stop you from calling me names.

You also have to know the law in question and what’s trying to be shown. I’m not going to bother explaining it. But if person x didn’t do y, you can just ASK them that. The point is to establish the unreasonableness of the thinking behind the action or inaction in a specific context. Was it *reasonable* to have made the decision that was made. Was it professionally reasonable to have omitted a differential from consideration. And people are always going to argue that what they did was reasonable — there’s no getting around that. In cross, a counter to that is made in the questions themselves.

And you can’t impeach with literature that way. They are going to deny that the article is reliable for starters, regardless of “stipulation”, so don’t ask them. You just establish their belief and actions that were contrary to the article, and that’s about all you can do with that.

It’s hilarious and completely unsurprising that you would make the poast above. Tell me more, oh guru of everything.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45583281)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 12:57 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

This is so incoherent that I stopped reading halfway through, still not quite sure what you're trying to get across. Writing like this guarantees you're a bad lawyer, as does being worse at CX than a non-lawyer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45583968)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 1:32 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

lol sure bud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45584085)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 11:35 AM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Seems like it would be pretty obvious

1. Make a list of concessions you're looking for, or the material from them you're going to use.

2. Write lines of questioning for each.

3. Gameplan every answer they could give to any question, through your entire line of questioning, and how you'll use it / control the witness. Goes without saying almost everything should be leading and closed-ended.

4. Know their depositions thoroughly so you can impeach quickly and efficiently.

5. Once you can do this comfortably and easily, start using it to make them look stupid and unreasonable along the way, so they give you your concessions and also make your jury hate them by the end of it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579267)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 12:28 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

Yea this is basically my approach. I still stumble sometimes and ask stupid open ended questions. I always notice it as it’s coming out of my mouth. Guess I just need more practice / experience

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579592)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:09 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Lol you just need reps probably. Do drills with somebody, and don't ask a question until you know what the answer will be (not what you want it to be, but what it literally HAS to be).

Asking open ended questions means you either don't have a real plan, or they said something you didn't plan for; either is failure to prepare. Plan out even the minute wording of your questions so they don't have wiggle room. It sounds like you're not quick on your feet, so you need to prep heavily to overcome that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579765)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:11 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

Agreed. I’m definitely more than prepared and have all the dep citations I need to impeach and know the facts like the back of my hand, it’s just my phrasing of questions on the fly can be pretty stupid in hindsight

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579775)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:16 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Every question should be prepared verbatim (so you can ensure precise wording), and rehearsed well enough you don't need notes. Then drill with somebody and have them try to wiggle out / throw you off with unexpected answers.

If you do this enough, you will probably quickly reach a point where you don't need to overprep like this, but until then, do this. It'll become muscle memory.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579791)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:17 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

See edit to above

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579795)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 11:36 AM
Author: purple exhilarant love of her life volcanic crater

Engage in Xo subthread wastelands until 50 msgs deep no fewer ever time

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579273)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 12:28 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579593)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 12:29 PM
Author: peach nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579596)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 1:55 PM
Author: Alcoholic Pale University



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45579956)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:40 PM
Author: curious snowy pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580739)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:05 PM
Author: Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster

Irv Younger's 10 Commandments of Cross Exam:

Be brief

Use plain words

Ask only leading questions

Be prepared

Listen

Don’t get into a quarrel

Avoid repetition

Disallow witness explanations

Limit questioning

Save the main point for the summation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBP2if0l-a8

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580000)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 2:11 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Yes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580021)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:28 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580661)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:38 PM
Author: Stubborn godawful liquid oxygen

have a big cock and make sure it's semi hard under your trousers to intimidate the witness

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580725)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 4:39 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580734)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:31 PM
Author: Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster

The big cock won't affect the witness.

However, the women of your jury will DEFINITELY be keyed in to what you're packing if you make subtle movements to re-=adjust when you stand up.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580931)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:34 PM
Author: balding point

Where most lawyers mess up is not controlling the witness. I get that you're asking fundamentals, but where every failing cross goes wrong is where you give the witness wiggle room out of an answer.

That usually comes from two issues - overly complex questions or questions that allow a witness to explain themselves.

If you ask simple questions and make sure they're not open ended, you are 90% there.

I have no idea how civil litigators fail at cross. If you have a deposition it becomes far easier to cross examine someone. Try crossing a witness who you barely have any idea what they will say and are critical to your clients freedom

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580940)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:40 PM
Author: Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster

the witness is gonna wiggle, regardless in a Depo.

they key is to ask a question so simple that once they start with the, "well, it depends. . ." then even a 5 year old will roll their eyes at whatever the fuck they're saying.

"Mr. Faggot, according to the Medical Board of Faggots, for which you've said is a reliable and credible medical resource, a patient should not develop a stage 4 pressure ulcer if his skin is inspected every day and he's rotated every 2 hours?"

Mr. Faggot: "well, not necessarily, because you see. . . ."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580957)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:46 PM
Author: balding point

Yeah, but impeachment with a deposition (assuming the depo was good) is pretty damn easy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580979)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 10:34 AM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Yeah. I fucked up once many years ago. In depo I had a doctor giving me these great rambling answers to my questions where she conceded all sorts of stuff but the answers didn’t track the questions. I learned real fast you can’t impeach with that.

I’m depo you have to break those rambling answers apart and get a concession on each point, if only so when you follow impeachment rules at trial you don’t get jammed up.

Boy did I fumble that one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45583418)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:46 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Better would be:

- "Mr. Faggot, you've said right here that the Medical Board of Faggots is a credible medical body, correct?"

- "And the Medical Board of Faggots state in xyz resource that the standard for patient care is daily skin inspection, and rotation every two hours, correct?"

- "And they further state that if this standard of care is met, the patient shouldn't develop ulcers, correct?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580980)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:47 PM
Author: balding point

Drop two of the three of the corrects and this is good

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580988)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:50 PM
Author: saffron hairraiser azn codepig

Yeah, bad habit of mine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580998)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:52 PM
Author: balding point

I get into it too, especially in the moment, and have to correct myself. Easy to use it as a crutch

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45581000)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:56 PM
Author: Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster

180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45581014)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:35 PM
Author: Talented Gaming Laptop Toaster

During Cross, you are simply trying to get the witness to agree with specific points that you will use to build your Closing Argument. You are not there to have a Perry Mason or Law & Order moment.

NEVER NEVER NEVER go back and forht with the witness. The second you do is the second you look like a querlous faggot who can't control the room.

If the witness starts rambling in response to your question, just walk away from them and go back to your table and pretend to shuffle around some papers. When they stop talking walk back up to them/the podium and say,

"That was not the question I asked you, I'll repeat my question..."

When you do that you send a message that you aren't going to stop the witness, but you are going to get the answer to your question.

The jury won't have any patience to hear another rambling response and they also recognize that you are in control of what you are asking and not just looking to score "GOTCHA" points.

Plus, the judge will be annoyed if hte witness starts up with that rambling shit again after being asked a very simple YES/NO question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45580941)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 10:29 AM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45583408)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 5:54 PM
Author: balding point

Also, this is more advanced, but it helps to have your questions be basically declarative instead of inquisitive.

And then you went to the car, didn't you?

And then you got in, right?

It was hot inside wasn't it?

vs.

Then you went to the car.

And you got in.

It was hot. You started sweating.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45581007)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:35 PM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

Yeah but sometimes you need the “right?” as a sort of command for them to answer. If they perceive it as a free for all you have to put the bit back in their mouth.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582205)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 8:06 PM
Author: Clear Stock Car House

Learn from experienced attorneys and watching good cross examinations. E.g., https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkxjunGJfjc

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45581494)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 10:32 AM
Author: heady lilac chapel juggernaut

This is always a good idea but remember that most attys could use tune ups, even if they are good at it. And you don’t know the specific landmines they are intending to avoid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45583414)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:31 PM
Author: garnet charismatic dog poop center

Get married

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582194)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:34 PM
Author: Cerise odious stage

didn't a texas lawyer make a billion calling opposing counsel "Fat Boy!" during a cross?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582202)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:37 PM
Author: Massive Grizzly School

Yeah, but he backed it up by legit being ready to throw down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582210)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:39 PM
Author: Cerise odious stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582217)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:42 PM
Author: Glittery Plum Lodge Gaping

I hate EPAH but he's probably the only poaster who I would actually listen to regarding something like this. Everyone else is a retard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582233)



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Date: December 3rd, 2022 10:56 PM
Author: Clear Stock Car House



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45582295)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 10:41 AM
Author: tan laughsome reading party

I hate litigation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45583446)



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Date: December 4th, 2022 1:35 PM
Author: aromatic impertinent market laser beams

Tell me about it. What a stupid charade trials are. So much faggotry and bs that i never want to try a case again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5246131&forum_id=2#45584100)