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Majority of covid deaths in the US are among the vaccinated (link)
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Date: December 8th, 2022 10:54 AM Author: copper school “This does not mean the vaccines don’t work,” said Dr. Monica Gandhi, a professor of medicine at the University of California San Francisco.
“The truth is we always knew we would see a growing proportion of vaccinated individuals among our COVID admissions,” said Dr. Shira Doron, infectious disease physician and hospital epidemiologist at Tufts Medical Center. “If 100% of the population were vaccinated — and that is what we wished for — then 100% of COVID hospitalizations and deaths would be among the vaccinated.”
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/12/01/more-deaths-among-vaccinated-americans-not-reason-avoid-vaccines-experts-say/ |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:57 PM Author: fluffy indirect expression The vaccine not working is proof that the vaccine is working. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604381) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:59 PM Author: copper school RC challenged? The vaccine works (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604391) |
Date: December 8th, 2022 10:56 AM Author: Ultramarine Disrespectful Parlour Hairy Legs she’s not wrong. do we have the data by relevant demographics? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603377) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 10:57 AM Author: snowy legend rehab 1. majority of country is vaccinated
2. the unvaccinated who survived mostly caught it and now have strong immunity whereas the vaccinated probably mostly wore masks religiously and never caught it |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:35 AM Author: copper school "Other factors affecting COVID deaths include waning vaccine protection, low numbers of people receiving updated boosters and natural immunity protection among the unvaccinated population" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603558) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:13 AM Author: white hyperactive home internal respiration At best, the vaccines did nothing.
At worst, the vaccines contributed significantly to excess mortality are are currently seeing. |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:15 AM Author: Fishy abode (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603460) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:24 AM Author: Deranged Piazza The latest data from the Centers for Disease Control shows that the death rate per 100,000 people among unvaccinated people was 1.32 on Sept. 25. By comparison, the rate for people vaccinated but without the updated bivalent booster is 0.26 per 100,000 people. And among those who have received the bivalent shot, it is 0.07 per 100,000 people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603509) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:43 AM Author: Umber Persian They literally just make shit up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603611) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:51 AM Author: Deranged Piazza So the same source of data can be trusted for one purpose (the subject of the OP) but not another purpose (the data i quoted)? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603673) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:29 PM Author: Ultramarine Disrespectful Parlour Hairy Legs are you saying they’re an infallible oracle or that it’s inconceivable they might report certain data in a misleading light that’s more favorable to them? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604243) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:42 PM Author: Lascivious point stick to stuff you know about like checking commas and testing new buttplugs. data analysis clearly isn't your wheelhouse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604312) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 10:36 PM Author: transparent national security agency field it's more interesting to split up the results by demographics -- i do think the vaccines saved lives in older populations, but this paper suggests that in <29yo people vaccines were a net harm https://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249547&mc=4&forum_id=2
edit: and i agree with the commenters below saying that due to mis-classifications as to which deaths are covid virus or vaccine related, and which aren't, a death rate "from covid" isn't helpful -- we need to see mortality or excess mortality from all causes during last year or two by vaccinated vs unvaxxed |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:24 AM Author: Deranged Piazza The latest data from the Centers for Disease Control shows that the death rate per 100,000 people among unvaccinated people was 1.32 on Sept. 25. By comparison, the rate for people vaccinated but without the updated bivalent booster is 0.26 per 100,000 people. And among those who have received the bivalent shot, it is 0.07 per 100,000 people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603504) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:30 PM Author: vivacious slimy forum From COVID or for all causes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604249) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:58 PM Author: copper school Covid. Why would this be for all causes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604385) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 2:04 PM Author: Exciting fighting range In your opinion, how reliable has the medical establishment been on parsing out COVID deaths from non-COVID deaths? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604412) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 3:02 PM Author: copper school Very reliable. Only alex jones-types would disagree (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604712) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 10:38 PM Author: transparent national security agency field cr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45606778) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:19 AM Author: unholy site death wish Deaths and hospitalizations basically track the percentages of vaccinated and unvaccinated.
It’s almost as if the vaccines are completely useless. Odd case. |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:20 AM Author: passionate wagecucks The vast majority of people in this country have an inkling that this is true, but they will never admit it. Even to themselves. People will fight like hell and come up with outlandish theories to avoid the conclusion that they have been duped
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:24 AM Author: Deranged Piazza The latest data from the Centers for Disease Control shows that the death rate per 100,000 people among unvaccinated people was 1.32 on Sept. 25. By comparison, the rate for people vaccinated but without the updated bivalent booster is 0.26 per 100,000 people. And among those who have received the bivalent shot, it is 0.07 per 100,000 people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603505) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:40 AM Author: passionate wagecucks Does this take into account pre-vaccine deaths? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603589) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 12:02 PM Author: Ultramarine Disrespectful Parlour Hairy Legs LMAO if those are included. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603734) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 12:19 PM Author: copper school I don't think it does (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603831) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:24 PM Author: Electric hateful double fault Almost like people should be able to evaluate their relative risk and decide whether an increase from basically zero to basically zero matters for them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604223) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:46 PM Author: copper school Then no one would take it, resulting in a lot of deaths (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604331) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 9:43 PM Author: 180 keepsake machete People who took the vaccines have conveniently forgot that they took them and proselytized them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45606553) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:23 AM Author: Deranged Piazza The latest data from the Centers for Disease Control shows that the death rate per 100,000 people among unvaccinated people was 1.32 on Sept. 25. By comparison, the rate for people vaccinated but without the updated bivalent booster is 0.26 per 100,000 people. And among those who have received the bivalent shot, it is 0.07 per 100,000 people. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603503) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:38 AM Author: Laughsome filthpig death rate over what time period? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603577) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:41 AM Author: copper school Since the start of the pandemic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603597) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:42 AM Author: passionate wagecucks Then that is a pretty useless stat then. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603609) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:44 AM Author: copper school Sorry, i meant since start of vaccine rollout (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603622) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:11 PM Author: peach mother Link? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604143) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:31 PM Author: copper school Idk but i just have a hunch (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604254) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:43 PM Author: Laughsome filthpig (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604321) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 3:09 PM Author: Ultramarine Disrespectful Parlour Hairy Legs (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604742) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 10:39 PM Author: Cracking alpha (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45606789) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:45 AM Author: Laughsome filthpig yeah that's what I guessed. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603624) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:40 AM Author: lilac galvanic digit ratio gas station I can't believe people got vaccinated and wor$e they willingly vaccinated their children. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603587) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 11:52 AM Author: Deranged Piazza The latest data from the Centers for Disease Control shows that the death rate per 100,000 people among unvaccinated people was 1.32 on Sept. 25. By comparison, the rate for people vaccinated but without the updated bivalent booster is 0.26 per 100,000 people. And among those who have received the bivalent shot, it is 0.07 per 100,000 people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603680) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 12:32 PM Author: house-broken brilliant circlehead There's really no need to make arguments like this. The vaccine does seem to have limited effectiveness in preventing COVID deaths, and arguing the opposite is setting yourself to look retarded.
Instead, let's take the data at face value (lol) and say that the death rates are what the CDC says they are. For a non-obese individual under 60, let's assume the death rates are 5x lower than the overall death rates (realistically they're probably quite a bit lower than that, but let's go with it).
So you're going from a .000003% chance of dying from COVID to a .00000014% chance of dying from COVID. In exchange, you're giving yourself a ????% chance of other health complications.
Given that the vaccine has shown zero efficacy in preventing the spread of this "disease", what sane healthy person would look at those numbers and decide "yep, that vaccine sure is for me!" |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 12:43 PM Author: multi-colored unhinged pit mood The problem all along with the whole COVID hysteria was that they never publicly said oh BTW if you are under 60 and not obese this is NBD. And if you dared say that it was more important for kids to be in school since they weren't getting seriously ill you were branded a science denier and banned from public discourse.
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Date: December 8th, 2022 12:45 PM Author: house-broken brilliant circlehead Yep.
I still get enraged thinking about this. It was clear from the data so so early, and yet you couldn't have a rational conversation with most people about it.
Libs lots me for life with that. |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:07 PM Author: copper school The latest data from the Centers for Disease Control shows that the death rate per 100,000 people among unvaccinated people was 1.32 on Sept. 25. By comparison, the rate for people vaccinated but without the updated bivalent booster is 0.26 per 100,000 people. And among those who have received the bivalent shot, it is 0.07 per 100,000 people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604121) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:11 PM Author: peach mother http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45603577 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604141) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:13 PM Author: passionate wagecucks You might actually want to read the original post in this subthread: "Instead, let's take the data at face value ..." |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:30 PM Author: copper school I'm just parroting obeezy/npc talking points (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604251) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 10:39 PM Author: transparent national security agency field correct. policymakers chose "simplicity" in messaging rather than "transparency" (i.e. the data is nuanced) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45606795) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:25 PM Author: Electric hateful double fault That’s what drives me nuts about this. Yes, there’s maybe five times the risk but what does that mean in real terms for any given individual? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604228) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:51 PM Author: Thriller Jewess Better force 5 year Olds to wear masks for two years (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604354) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 1:21 PM Author: Electric hateful double fault All the fat old fucks who only had weeks to life anyway got vaccinated, so I can see why this is true.
What bothers me more is that no one will ever be held accountable for the mandates and other bullshit that transpired. |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 3:30 PM Author: copper school Accountable for what? Saving lives? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45604863) |
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Date: December 8th, 2022 10:33 PM Author: 180 keepsake machete 🤥 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5249465&forum_id=2#45606757) |