Does Obama have a "legacy" anymore?
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Date: March 1st, 2024 10:44 AM Author: Boyish church
1. forced buying of health care insurance for all
2. russia isnt a threat followed by his party claiming a few years later that russia is the biggest threat to the world
3. his wife transitioned to a man and 1 of his 2 kids is a weirdo
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Date: March 1st, 2024 4:15 PM Author: concupiscible hairless cruise ship queen of the night
Michèle Angélique Flournoy
In 2011, Flournoy, then Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, helped persuade President Obama to intervene militarily in Libya,[22][23][24] despite opposition from members of Congress and key White House advisors, such as Joe Biden, Vice President; Tom Donilon, National Security Advisor; and Robert Gates, Defense Secretary.[23] Flournoy supported the NATO-led imposition of a no-fly zone over Libya to oust resistant leader Muammar Gaddafi, accused of ordering the killing of demonstrators and promising to "hunt the rebels down and show no mercy."[23] Flournoy said imposition of a no-fly zone necessitated first destroying Libya's air defenses with US and British cruise missiles targeting the Libyan missile defense system, and US B-2 bombers attacking Libyan airfields.[25]
Code Pink co-founder Medea Benjamin argued in December 2020 that Flournoy would be the wrong choice for Secretary of Defense because she would "steer the American empire farther down its current path of lost wars, corrupt militarism and terminal decline".[56]
In a webinar hosted by the Israel Policy Forum in June 2020,[45] Flournoy expressed concern that Israel's proposed unilateral annexation of the West Bank could lead Congress to deny almost $4 billion in annual U.S. aid to Israel. "I would hate to see some in Congress decided they are going to hold hostage our security assistance to Israel as a way of protesting their policies in the West Bank."[46] Flournoy added that a fraying of the U.S.–Israel relationship would be disastrous for U.S. interests.[45]
As of December 1, 2020, Flournoy was an advisor to Pine Island Capital, a private equity firm. In December 2020, Pine Island raised $218 million to pay for investments in military and aerospace and other industries. In its September 2020 SEC filing, Pine Island forecast that the Defense Department "will prioritize rapid technological advancements" in artificial intelligence and other technologies.[37]
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47454296)
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:22 PM Author: Cyan senate
Public option has consistently polled at 60+% for 15 years.
https://pro.morningconsult.com/articles/medicare-for-all-public-option-polling
Bernie bros are fucking retards who live to cut off their noses to spite their faces. They are the domestic policy equivalent of pro Palestinian maximalists who will except nothing other than a Jew free Palestine under sharia law.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47453894) |
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Date: March 1st, 2024 5:32 PM Author: slate hospital laser beams
i agree this is probably his biggest accomplishment and his legacy, but please don't act like it's a good thing.
the government has no business creating positive rights, with the necessary exception for criminal legal representation.
just because republicans don't have the stones or votes to overturn this crap doesn't mean it's not crap.
speaking of crap, this topic makes me want to take a big dump on mccain's gravesite
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Date: March 1st, 2024 4:38 PM Author: Internet-worthy Digit Ratio Jap
"Obama WH with the ACA is that they made the entire focus on covering uninsured poors and youngs and didn’t emphasize the much more important feat of destroying pre-existing conditions and lifetime limits."
I thought they pushed the whole "pre-existing conditions" thing a lot. I think they also expected that red state governors wouldn't be as craven as they initially were and would gladly accept expanded medicaid and subsidies for working class to buy plans. So that's why they pushed the whole "cover the uninsured". By 2016-17 the red state governors did come around and actually helped save ACA. The irony in ACA is that the biggest beneficiaries are the poor and working class in deep red states. Those states had the most barebones Medicaid programs that basically covered no one.
Agreed on everything else. I'm glad it worked for you and your family. We need to transition to a public option.
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Date: March 1st, 2024 4:48 PM Author: Cyan senate
They pushed pre-existing conditions as like the third or fourth good thing in their talking point litany about the bill. They should’ve literally had ads with people like my family saying “we would be bankrupt but for Obamacare bc our baby came 8 weeks early.” And in putting all the emphasis on coverage they also left themselves open to get smacked 10x harder when they fucked up the website launch.
The Medicaid thing is still astounding and it also led to anomalous results like Beshear’s success in Kentucky. But it’s also the kind of thing that can be easily fixed with a little more stick paired with the carrot, which should go in the public option bill whenever it finally passes. Ie states that refuse the Medicaid funds also lose highway funds because they are making all the accidents that happen on their highways more expensive for the rest of the country.
I would still argue that the biggest beneficiaries are all people who have to be hospitalized for more than 5 days or receive any kind of medical services where the initial bill is in excess of $50k. Literally the system we had as children and in our 20s set all the incentives of health insurers to make certain that you lose coverage once you cost them more money than they charged you for premiums.
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Date: March 1st, 2024 11:20 AM Author: wild rough-skinned nibblets
“He gave great speeches!!”
“What are some of the best quotes from his speeches?”
*blank stare*
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47453646) |
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:29 PM Author: violent meetinghouse keepsake machete
The police acted stupidly
We tortured some folks
You didn't build that
If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon
Cool clock, Ahmed. Want to bring it to the White House?
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Date: March 1st, 2024 11:25 AM Author: 180 pistol
What even is a legacy in a culture with no short term memory, no consistent "content" behind its tribes? Dems are anti-war with Bush, pro-War with Biden, cons the reverse.
Obama's legacy could perhaps best be summed up by the response you'd get to the question by someone one second out of a deep sleep, barely articulate:
1. Lib: "obama... black... good guy... our team"
2. Con: "Obama... black..." *pukes a little*
There's nothing deeper
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47453656) |
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:50 PM Author: Cyan senate
Trump’s major issue and brand since June 2015 is immigration. During Obama’s second term we entered this current phase of our 6+ decade run of broken immigration policy, where single men looking for work were replaced by families and children crossing illegally and then making bullshit “asylum” claims to be able to stay. Trump has been the leading figure on this issue for literally a decade and has driven the entire debate. He fixed nothing despite being a POTUS with a federal trifecta and today it’s worse than ever.
See also the neocons and neolibs of the MIC and Deep State fighting hot and cold wars in Europe, the Middle East and Asia simultaneously. Trump’s anti-globalist foreign policy has been completely routed before, during and after his POTUSy.
I know you like his cultural impact because he did massively change GOP politics. Neocons and corpcons are shoved to the back row of the bus and most of them already fell out the emergency exit door and went splat on the highway. That’s a massive cultural achievement. He still was and is a policy failure on every issue other than passing a tax cut from which 98% of the benefits went to large corporations and tax payers in the highest tax bracket.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47454020) |
Date: March 1st, 2024 12:00 PM Author: Domesticated Chapel Selfie
His biggest legacy in non political. It is solidifying for american culture and history that public office, even the highest public office in the world, should be used solely by its occupants to personally enrich themselves as much as possible after they leave office.
We are accustomed to this on the house of representatives, and even senators, but the speed with which he sought to immediately trade in the peoples office for billions of dollars is staggering. The clintons had an amazing run at it too, even if they tried to wrap some of it up in the 'clinton foundation' for appearances, and bill getting a billion dollars for his crap memoire.
but the Obamas were the ones to absolutely no pretense about it: they are going to get rich as fuck as quickly as possible by trading the peoples office in for shekels. sign netflix deals worth $100 million, buy mansions in the most expensive zip codes of every high cost coastal state, seven figure speaking fees.
posters had more wealth than obama entering the oval office in 08 (appx $1.3 million based on his filings). he is now soon to be a billionaire.
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:01 PM Author: razzle-dazzle area therapy
obama's legacy is being a demoralization agent for the left which contributed to breaking their brains. i've always seen obama as the oil being poured into a bin of rags and trump being the spark that set it on fire.
it's impossible to overstate the enthusiasm people had for obama in 2008. the world was collapsing and our future was uncertain. those are the conditions that led to people choosing a black guy offering "hope and change" over the establishment bitch with a recognizable name.
and what did he do? just the same shit clinton would have done anyway. nothing meaningfully different. they got 60 senate seats for a minute and still nothing big happened.
to any democrat paying attention, it was hugely demoralizing. they finally *did it* and got a radical candidate in and the requisite number in congress to accomplish things and... they didn't do anything. in the wake of the financial crisis the elite got bailed out and the poor got fucked harder than ever, leaving us with the neoliberal technodystopia we're in now.
thanks obama.
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:10 PM Author: Cyan senate
It’s going to be lost on the average poaster that Obama’s bar was always going to be lower relative to other POtUSes because he was always going to get credit for being first. His major achievement was winning the election in a landslide in 2008, just like anyone who is first to do or go or be anywhere gets shit named after them. For XO poasters the fact that he won was a tragedy, but in reality most Americans look back on their vote for him in 2008 with pride, and he is still extremely popular in an environment where virtually no one associated with partisan politics is: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/Barack_Obama
Compare: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/explore/public_figure/George_W_Bush
It’s also lost on people now how shitty and dark things felt in Nov 2008 and how dark it stayed for many months afterward. It was like the whole country used patting itself on the back for defeating racism as a cope for the whole world economy melting down. By March of 2009 he just had to avoid a massive catastrophe that took that feeling away and he managed to avoid doing that.
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:13 PM Author: 180 pistol
the first point is what I stated above. There are no more policy-based legacies anymore. Oh, Reagan tore down the wall. Whether the wall would be "good" or "bad" is no longer objective, and really could change based on the month. There's no principled partisanship.
The entire legacy even available to someone like Obama is that he is BLACK and GOOD for libs, BLACK and BAD for cons.
For ex, Trump probably agrees with every Obama position on gays.
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Date: March 1st, 2024 3:49 PM Author: Cyan senate
I get that the voices in your head say this, but 60% of the actual real people who live in America say that they support Obamacare.
https://www.kff.org/affordable-care-act/poll-finding/5-charts-about-public-opinion-on-the-affordable-care-act/
The talking point of “premiums are way up” has been a bs conflation of health care cost inflation (which the public option would provide a means for consumers to reject, which is probably why it enjoys 70% support) for 14 years, but it also hasn’t been true for a decade that premiums were outpacing inflation except for the two years of spikes that were driven by Covid. Deductibles is a better argument to attack Obamacare as a policy intervention, but once again, public option is the best available path for consumers to fight this. And the health insurance companies knew this at the time, which is why they made sure Lieberman got millions from them in exchange for doing their bidding.
https://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/employer-premiums-and-the-aca/
Bottom line is that while I know you and Paul Ryan read The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged in high school and it changed your lives, in reality actual policy analysis is more complicated than old, ugly, smelly Ayn made it out to be 70 years ago.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47454191) |
Date: March 1st, 2024 12:23 PM Author: violent meetinghouse keepsake machete
NYT: Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor: A Unique Balancing Act between Law and the Pizzeria
July 5, 2023
The Supreme Court of the United States, known for its solemnity and tradition, stands as an emblem of American justice. Justices don the black robes, wielding the power to shape the nation's laws. Behind the scenes, their lives, though somewhat shielded from public scrutiny, are mostly perceived as comfortable. Sonia Sotomayor, however, the Supreme Court's first Latina justice, is breaking this mold in an unusual way — by clocking hours at a Sbarro pizzeria.
In a revealing interview, Justice Sotomayor confided about the financial pressures that have pushed her into this second job. It's a startling admission that shatters our collective perception of the lives of Supreme Court Justices, usually assumed to be secure and privileged.
With her gavel in one hand and a pizza paddle in the other, Sotomayor is navigating a double life that is nothing short of extraordinary.
"I never imagined that I would be in this position," Sotomayor confessed. "Serving on the Supreme Court is an honor and a privilege, but it does not make one immune to financial pressures."
This surprising revelation has ignited a conversation about the compensation of federal judges. Despite their pivotal role, they are not among the highest earners in the legal field. As of 2021, an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court earns $265,600 annually, a sum dwarfed by the seven-figure salaries enjoyed by top partners at prestigious law firms.
While this may be a princely sum for most Americans, Justice Sotomayor has found herself grappling with financial challenges. A combination of ongoing health issues, family obligations, and a commitment to aiding disadvantaged students has strained her resources.
The unique scenario has, however, unveiled the extraordinary character of Justice Sotomayor. Despite the grueling schedule that comes with holding a job in the food industry and being a Supreme Court Justice, she remains passionate and unyielding.
"At the end of the day, it is not about the paycheck, it's about service — whether it's serving justice or serving pizza," said Sotomayor.
Sbarro, a popular pizzeria, is now a part of her identity. After a long day of hearing cases, Sotomayor can be found behind the counter, shaping dough, and serving customers.
Her customers are often unaware that their pizza is being served by a Supreme Court Justice, but those who recognize her are left stunned. To them, Sotomayor is an emblem of dedication and humility.
However, this startling revelation has initiated dialogue about the financial security of our country's top justices. It raises questions about the viability of a system that sees those at its pinnacle needing to supplement their income to meet their needs.
In a nation that celebrates and promotes hard work, the story of Sonia Sotomayor is an embodiment of this ethos. However, it also serves as a stark reminder of the unseen financial pressures that can burden even those at the apex of American society.
Justice Sotomayor's story is undoubtedly unique. It's a testament to her resilience and dedication. As the conversation around judicial compensation continues, her example is a poignant reminder that those who serve the public — whether in robes or aprons — are more than their job titles. They are people, with real lives and real challenges, deserving of our support and understanding.
( http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2555255&forum_id=2#46512172 )
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:34 PM Author: beady-eyed immigrant
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/arts-letters/articles/david-garrow-interview-obama
Barack’s love letters to Alex, if they are actually love letters, are hard to read. Not just because they’re so poorly written, but because of the clear lack of any human interest in the person he’s writing to. The letters are completely performative. She may as well have been a tree or some kind of theater backdrop. Maybe all young men are guilty of this fault, but these examples seem pretty egregious.
It’s pretty clear to me, and this is me putting little pieces together with Alex and with Sheila, but I’m 97 percent convinced that Barack either drafted all those letters in his journal and then made them into letters, or he wrote the letters and then copied them into the journal.
The first time—again, I can say this—the first time I saw him at the White House in the Oval, he’s sitting in that usual chair back at the fireplace. I’m at the right end of that, the couch that’s facing toward Lewinsky territory. And over on the desk, the only thing on the desk is this big pile of all his journals over the years. And he’s arranged it this way on purpose—to show me that he has them, and so he can tell me that I can’t see them. He’s got this big sack, I want to call it a cloth sack or a canvas sack, in the bottom of which are the journals. And then on the top of it is the typescript printout of my manuscript. So he’s carrying them around together.
The letters to and from Sheila. Are we ever going to see them? Not in my lifetime or yours. Certainly not in Barack’s lifetime will those journals see the light of day. I wouldn’t be astonished if he burns them.
Why? What can’t he let anyone see?
He wants people to believe his story. For me to conclude that Dreams from My Father was historical fiction—oh God, did that infuriate him.
I’ve gotten the sense, from my read of him and from people close to him, that the pose of being a writer is actually one that he prefers in many ways to being a politician.
Oh God, yes. Yes, yes, yes.
So why wouldn’t he want his writerliness to be revealed?
He doesn’t want the writerliness challenged. It’s my story and I’m sticking to it. The book [Dreams] is so fictionalized.
What’s wrong with that? At this point in time, only a very naive person would think of memoir as anything other than a literary genre that is cousin to the novel. It’s not history.
It’s so inaccurate, whether about the dynamics among the guys in Hawaii or what’s going on in the community group on the far South Side. And it completely omits women. I’ve always thought that there’d eventually be a feminist critique of Obama because his mother and all the girlfriends—they’re not there. They don’t exist.
I will say, from reading your book, I had the sense that all of those women seemed like they felt betrayed by him. Even the act of giving you his love letters is itself a tremendously aggressive, hostile act. They knew exactly what his response would be. They knew what they had.
With Alex and Genevieve, it was so far in the past. Sheila is a whole different thing.
With Sheila, you could feel the hurt, but with Alex, you could too. The anecdote that obviously came from Alex about running into Barack and Michelle in Boston or New York on a street—
On Madison Avenue. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
There’s a million ways to be like, “Hi, this is Alex. She’s an old friend from school.” And then, your significant other may say later on, “Oh, did you fuck her?” You say, “Oh, no.” Or “Yes.” Or whatever.
But you don’t cross the street.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47453974) |
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:37 PM Author: beady-eyed immigrant
It’s interesting. I doubt that in the long run, Obama’s foreign-policy failures are going to be seen as the most important part of his legacy. I think future historians are going to look at the Obama presidency and see it as the moment when this new oligarchy merged with the Democratic Party and used the capacities of these new technologies and the power of this new class of people, the oligarchs and their servants, to create a new apparatus of social control. How far they can go with it, what the limits are … you see them trying to test it out every week or so.
So my question is: Is Barack Obama the author of this new machine? Did he create it purposefully? Does it report back to him? Or is it a larger phenomenon that originated partly on his watch, due to whatever combination of personal negligence and disengagement, and his sense that it benefited the Democratic Party or personally benefited him?
He has no interest in building the Democratic Party as an institution. I think that’s obvious. And I don’t think he had any truly deep, meaningful policy commitments other than the need to feel and to be perceived as victorious, as triumphant. I’ve sometimes said to people that I think Barack is actually just as insecure as Trump, but in ways that are not readily perceived by the vast majority of people. I think that’s probably my most basic takeaway.
But it does go back to Dreams being a work of fiction, that the absence of an actual personal story makes him need to compose one. For every time he says, “Oh, I spent years reading the history of the civil rights movement,” I know he read BTC, but I don’t think he read much else. This is someone who … 98 percent of his reading has always been fiction, not history.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47453983)
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Date: March 1st, 2024 12:43 PM Author: beady-eyed immigrant
What do the Obamas and their circle have in common with each other? They are Ivy League people, who ran away from whatever they came from in order to become members of the credentialed elites, whose loyalty is to the system that gives them prestige—or rather, gives prestige to their degrees, of which they are the holders. Once they pair off and reproduce under the seal of Harvard or Yale, they may find it seemly to donate money to an NGO that offers microloans to female entrepreneurs in Pakistan. So why should Obama, the ultimate winner, carry on the charade that he’s part of a community, whatever that means, with these people? He’s happy to go on NPR and talk about meaning or Marilynne Robinson novels or whatever, to make the wine moms identify with him, so he can put one over on them. Just don’t ask him to visit the hospital when you get cancer, because he’ll be hanging out on someone’s yacht, with the other winners.
But in Springfield, there’s a real community of Illinois politicos. There’s a guy named Matt Jones who was very helpful to Barack, who in fact came down with some incredibly rare cancer about two, three years ago. And the person who was the centerpiece of this was a guy who was a Senate judiciary staffer named Pete Baroni, a really wonderful man. So, Pete organized some crowdfunding thing for Matt. And so, you could see everybody in Springfield, Democratic and Republican, had donated to Matt Jones.
And then very early on in COVID, about six, eight weeks into COVID, the woman who was finance director on Barack’s Senate primary run, Claire Serdiuk, up and died at age 50, leaving behind a 4-year-old. And when I went to the GoFundMe page for Claire, you could see everybody who’d worked on the Obama primary campaign, and then Claire went to SEIU [Service Employees International Union], and the folks at SEIU all donated. Anybody whom I’ve interviewed in that situation, I would donate to, always have.
But Barack has no interest in any of that. It’s just not there.
It’s like your question “Why is he at an event with Jay and Bey? Why does he want a private plane?” And the answer is, well, because those are the things that winners get.
But you remain hollow.
They’re all hollow. That’s what the system produces.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47453996)
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Date: March 1st, 2024 1:53 PM Author: Domesticated Chapel Selfie
Obamas most lasting legacy is yet to be created but look out for it in about 10 years.
He and Michelle will get divorced and he will come out as gay. He will be celebrated for this (obviously).
This is not exaggeration or trying to be edgy on xo. He is a confirmed, admitted homosexual.
He wrote a letter to his "girlfriend" "accepting the contingency" that he is a man and thus has to appear to be interested in women, which he thought was unfortunate because he fantasized about gay sex, or 'making love to men every day'.
I am not paraphrasing. He literally wrote that.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47454075) |
Date: March 1st, 2024 7:49 PM Author: violent meetinghouse keepsake machete
JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: So are you suing them just for the pictures that are in their catalogue? Is that what you're suing them for?
MR. BURSCH: We're not suing them; they're suing us.
JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: I'm sorry. You're right. I apologize.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/oral_arguments/argument_transcripts/2016/15-866_j426.pdf
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47454764) |
Date: March 1st, 2024 8:46 PM Author: marvelous bbw ticket booth
Ctrl +F “gay”
OK - his long term legacy will be being a gay president. (I would say “first,” but come on.) I don’t know how it will come up or come out, but this guy obviously is a down low brother and it will be LOL when libs refuse to acknowledge his journey from someone who opposed same-sex marriage to the most prominent intersectional president.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5497997&forum_id=2#47454908) |
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