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Finished Goethe's Faust
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Date: March 26th, 2024 9:57 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot read both part 1 and 2
part 1 had a clear plot and structure and there were parts that were really interesting. one could mostly follow it although there were parts that used strange language and had many references that the modern reader wouldn't understand
part 2 is a giant, sprawling ambitious mess, not published until goethe died, and it is basically unreadable without a study guide
i'm not sure if i appreciated reading it overall. but now i have direct knowledge of "faustian spirit" and "faustian pact" instead of relying on second hand definitions
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:06 PM Author: Pearl dysfunction direct knowledge tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530392) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:09 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530401) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:10 PM Author: dashing aquamarine trailer park internet jew attempting to bash faust as a work of literature tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530404) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:11 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot i wouldn't call that a bash tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530406) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:17 PM Author: deep gas station laser beams i mean, it's no Portnoy's Complaint (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530416) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:27 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot had to wiki it, had not heard of that before (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530440) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:30 PM Author: deep gas station laser beams it's my go-to for degenerate jewish fiction praised as "art" by a certain crowd (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530445) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:31 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot did you read it?
ricky would like a copy for his birthday |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:34 PM Author: deep gas station laser beams its basically a woody allen etc. standup routine in book form. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530460) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:12 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Light Partner what did you get out of it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530408) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:17 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot part 1 is a pretty standard tragedy, but the tragedy is to gretchen, the innocent girl faust knocks up and who suffers a terrible fate (but who goes to heaven at the very end). it's strange in that it ends on a cliffhanger with the devil and faust escaping. faust comes across throughout as a selfish academic type who hasn't lived life, and it is through the devil's actions that he finally comes out of his ivory tower and *lives*
part 2 didn't come out for decades thereafter. having gotten personal love in the immediate setting out of the way, faust goes back in time seeking love with helen of troy while the devil has a lot of problems dealing with hellenist culture which had very different value systems than a europe with christian good/evil values. there's a really great part about how unbacked fiat monetary printing is demonic. the end of part 2 i think was a copout -- goethe writes faust ascending to heaven regardless of his deal with the devil and regardless of all the death and destruction he caused |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:23 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Light Partner ty but did it speak to you in any way, other than the part about unbacked fiat currency. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530430) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:25 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot yeah, the faustian spirit stuff spoke to me in the sense that it seems to animate western society, which spengler noted in the decline of the west (he calls the modern spirit of the west "faustian"). no one is satisfied with what they have, everyone wants more, bigger, now, but always remains unsatisfied (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530437) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:34 PM Author: Fear-inspiring Light Partner (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530461) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:47 PM Author: disrespectful queen of the night dilemma lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530490) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:18 PM Author: deep gas station laser beams the story of faust is much older than goethe you pleb (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530417) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:23 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot i don't really have interest in reading marlowe's version. goethe's is by far the most influential (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530431) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:19 PM Author: Crimson goal in life Yeah I read it in high school. That was pretty much my takeaway as a high schooler too. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530421) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:36 PM Author: blue dead school deer antler i've only read part I and heavily alchemical stretches of II. worth it to spend some more time with the whole play? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530467) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:42 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot i think part 1 was much stronger than part 2, so probably not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530480) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:37 PM Author: Sick Underhanded Travel Guidebook Auf Deutsch? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530469) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 10:41 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot english translation (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530477) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 11:02 PM Author: Unhinged senate I have read that Goethe's is better but the ending of Marlowe's is satisfyingly lurid and tragic.
Faustus hysterically repents and begs forgiveness during his final hour on earth. He sees the blood of Christ in the heavens, and calls out for Christ's protection. For saying God's name, Satan rends his heart. He begs God to limit his damnation to a thousand years or a hundred thousand but then remembers human souls are damned forever.
Midnight comes and the demons take him off to hell. The next morning his students find the walls streaked with his brains and blood, his mutilated body thrown on a pile of horse dung outside. |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 11:04 PM Author: claret aphrodisiac spot yes, that's a much more satisfying ending (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530554) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 11:19 PM Author: Pearl dysfunction 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530613) |
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Date: March 26th, 2024 11:21 PM Author: rose rough-skinned twinkling uncleanness 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5509734&forum_id=2#47530618) |
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Date: March 27th, 2024 7:51 PM Author: stimulating abode athletic conference To be fair,
Fucking based |