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Fun Talmud Hypo (From Are Country IRL) - Prole Goy Damaged Entryway

we had some flooring replaced, and hired a demo company with...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
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Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
you owe him $1,000 + whatever the cost of additional labor f...
aggressive self-absorbed kitchen trust fund
  04/18/24
we can't be responsible for the additional labor bc he didnt...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
Sounds like you forgot to ask about the labor. Not his prob...
Vibrant half-breed french chef
  04/18/24
he said they'd cover the labor no matter that material we ch...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
nah man youre responsible for the labor
aggressive self-absorbed kitchen trust fund
  04/18/24
that we used his guy for the labor shows he's agreed to cove...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
idk youre letting him do it, he didnt hold a gun to your hea...
aggressive self-absorbed kitchen trust fund
  04/18/24
cr.
Vibrant half-breed french chef
  04/18/24
poor rc? "and he'd install it" he clearly meant...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
that might work in tel aviv but youre done here in ARE count...
aggressive self-absorbed kitchen trust fund
  04/18/24
that's why i said in ARE country, the way to go might me be ...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
He contemplated that. He gave you the option for "good...
Vibrant half-breed french chef
  04/18/24
i agreed to pay the difference in materials for best. the...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
You seem dumb. You're getting the whole package of material...
Vibrant half-breed french chef
  04/18/24
if he's fixing the damage he created with his workers, why w...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
are your guys from Tel Aviv?
Vibrant half-breed french chef
  04/18/24
no, i'd never hire a jew to do blue collar work. i've got es...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
I hired one to install a ductless system years ago and he wa...
Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio
  04/18/24
i bet you bought his extended warranty, too!
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
I did not. There was a great standard warranty.
Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio
  04/18/24
Agreed. If it is much more labor intensive why would DBG exp...
Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio
  04/18/24
because 1) he agreed to cover the additional labor, and 2) i...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
I would see what he even asks for. If he asks for $1000 or $...
Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio
  04/18/24
i don't think he's gonna ask for MORE than $100. i bet he'll...
Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge
  04/18/24
If he offers that then you should thank him and just take it...
Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio
  04/18/24


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Date: April 18th, 2024 12:08 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

we had some flooring replaced, and hired a demo company with a big machine to do the demo of the tile. in getting their big machine into our house, they cracked the front row of tiles on our entryway.

demo company was super proactive and nice about it, and owner without me even asking apologized and told me they'd make it right. owner told me that there's no way to match those tiles and they'll have to give me me an entirely new entryway.

owner told me to go to the flooring store and pick out tiles we want and he'd install it, and he'd pay for something in the normal range of tiles but if we wanted something fancy we could pay the difference. owner said to hold off on paying the $1000 bill for the demo, and we'll settle up everything at the end once the repair is done.

wife and i went to the flooring store, and decided we wanted to do mini bricks on the entryway, which are $12/SF. normal tiles equivalent to what we had seemed to be ~$3/SF.

i went with the owner to the flooring store and we figured out how much material we needed (bricks, "thinset" [still dont know wtf that is these goy terms mean], grout, "sealant" [ibid.]). i paid for the materials on my card.

owner has been really nice about it, but did note that it's a lot more labor to install the bricks than tiles. the install job has been taking a ton of labor time, and his guy doing the install is really, really good and it's going to turn out great.

question is how much do i owe the owner, under talmud law and prole goy fairness law?

i think i owe him $1000 less ~3/SF * the size of our entryway less the what thinset/grout would have cost to do this kind of job with tile (i have no idea how much that is).

i think a prole goy fairness answer would be to be happy we got a brand new entryway that looks awesome and just be happy covering ALL the materials myself with no deductions, and pay him the original $1000.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592888)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:18 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592937)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:27 PM
Author: aggressive self-absorbed kitchen trust fund

you owe him $1,000 + whatever the cost of additional labor for installing the faggy bricks instead of prole tile is - $3/sq ft

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592958)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:35 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

we can't be responsible for the additional labor bc he didnt say we would be, and relied on the labor being covered.

he even acknowledged that nobody would want crappy tile and all the women want faggy bricks now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592971)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:38 PM
Author: Vibrant half-breed french chef

Sounds like you forgot to ask about the labor. Not his problem.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592975)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:44 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

he said they'd cover the labor no matter that material we chose, and we'd only be responsible for the difference in the material cost.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592989)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:40 PM
Author: aggressive self-absorbed kitchen trust fund

nah man youre responsible for the labor

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592982)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:45 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

that we used his guy for the labor shows he's agreed to cover the labor.

if the labor was on us and the materials are on us less $3/SF, why would we use his guy for labor?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592993)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:48 PM
Author: aggressive self-absorbed kitchen trust fund

idk youre letting him do it, he didnt hold a gun to your head. you agreed that "if you want something fancy youll pay the difference", that means difference in material and labor to any reasonable person

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47592999)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:51 PM
Author: Vibrant half-breed french chef

cr.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593009)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:51 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

poor rc? "and he'd install it"

he clearly meant pay the difference in materials. at best, he meant materials. at worst, he didn't contemplate the possibility of a different material resulting in a significantly higher labor cost.

and if he didn't contemplate that, once i informed him that i wanted the "faggy bricks" and he realize the labor cost would be significantly higher, his failure to say that he'd expect me to cover more of the labor -- and my reliance on his silence -- results in an agreement that he's coverign the increased labor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593012)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:54 PM
Author: aggressive self-absorbed kitchen trust fund

that might work in tel aviv but youre done here in ARE country

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593020)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:56 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

that's why i said in ARE country, the way to go might me be just paying the $1000 bill, i cover the materials costs myself (that i've already paid for), and he covers the labor (that he's already paid for) -- no deductions or credits. any deductions and credits is very tel aviv, and your suggesting that i get a $3/SF credit for the tile but pay extra for some increased marginal labor cost is VERY tel aviv.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593026)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:56 PM
Author: Vibrant half-breed french chef

He contemplated that. He gave you the option for "good" and you chose best, which you agreed to pay the difference for.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593025)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 1:58 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

i agreed to pay the difference in materials for best.

there couldn't have possibly been a meeting of the minds for me to pay the difference in the labor for best. i obviously didn't expect to pay the difference in labor, and at worst he didn't even contemplate it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593032)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:02 PM
Author: Vibrant half-breed french chef

You seem dumb. You're getting the whole package of materials and labor. Why would you expect to only pay the difference in materials and not labor? Did you expect to install the new flooring yourself?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593046)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:05 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

if he's fixing the damage he created with his workers, why would i expect to pay any labor? if i expected to pay for labor, i would have hired my own guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593072)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:07 PM
Author: Vibrant half-breed french chef

are your guys from Tel Aviv?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593075)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:14 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

no, i'd never hire a jew to do blue collar work. i've got estimates from israelis before -- i know to run the fuck away. i'd never trust a single one of them. they don't even hide that they're gonna rip you off. it's amazing the goyim ever hire them.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593104)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:21 PM
Author: Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio

I hired one to install a ductless system years ago and he was legit.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593118)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:27 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

i bet you bought his extended warranty, too!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593129)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:27 PM
Author: Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio

I did not. There was a great standard warranty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593134)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:00 PM
Author: Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio

Agreed. If it is much more labor intensive why would DBG expect him to do it for free?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593040)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:04 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

because 1) he agreed to cover the additional labor, and 2) it's his responsibility to make me whole and nobody would want shitty tile anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593061)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:09 PM
Author: Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio

I would see what he even asks for. If he asks for $1000 or $1100 then just pay him that. Don't mess with the stupid deductions.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593086)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:15 PM
Author: Rambunctious Stubborn Lettuce Indian Lodge

i don't think he's gonna ask for MORE than $100. i bet he'll just ask for $1000 minus $3/SF. i could ask for a deduction for the other materials too, but maybe i wont if he's nice about it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593106)



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Date: April 18th, 2024 2:20 PM
Author: Razzle scarlet mood digit ratio

If he offers that then you should thank him and just take it, obviously. I would be surprised if he did that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519051&forum_id=2#47593116)