(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47597404)

Which is why property shouldn't be taxed to begin with.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603407)

What bracket you are in, you pay that. It shouldn't matter how you finance your lifestyle or what form your compensation comes in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47597470)

Sadly, the propensity to lie increases as you gain more education, prestige, and wealth. Money really is a cancer that we should remove from them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47597424)

Both very clearly involve valuing assets at a designated point in time and assessing a tax based on that value.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603376)

idk if that's the case anymore hoss. but regardless, none of this is an argument that property tax doesn't capture unrealized gains.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603412)

Lots of reasons for this. To be clear, they should all be beheaded.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603416)

otherwise shitlibs just raise everything forever and ever it never stops

can anyone even explain or justify how the current rates got there, they i assume started at barely anything but went up and up, its ghastly bullshit, shitlibs are insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47599423)

yeah we needed to completely hollow out the country so jews can exist and have a sufficient base of shitskin nigger slaves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47599436)

anyone that sees bezos getting child care tax credits and using "loans" to avoid even paying a meager income tax but then gets yosemite sam fuming over a wealth tax for people worth over $100m is pretty dumb. we can debate about the best method to tax wealth, but if you're sending a third of your paycheck to taxes and are OK with billionaires paying ~1% you're just dumb and a complete cuck.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603386)

i'd say taxing wage earners but not taxing the wealthy is a far bigger impediment. that's why people always says the first million is the hardest. it's way harder getting from $0 to $1m then $1m to $2m because even passively wealth compounds, but having money opens up all other sorts of doors, like access to more leverage.

wealth people already have a huge advantage in competing with you in the same market. and then the government taxes the wage earner to death and doesn't tax the wealthy at all? how does that make sense?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603400)

The rich will always have a way to manipulate assets. It's kind of like gun control. You can't just "ban guns" or "ban assault rifles." "We're going to tax the rich" > ends up taxing the middle class more. Also dramatically increases government spending which leads to more entitlements which leads to more government dependency. Then God forbid we can never get rid of these programs. - But can't we go back to the well and get more money from the rich? Meanwhile they have all moved or hidden assets in shell corporations etc.

For example when Francois Hollande tried to raise taxes to 75% for millionaires in France they all began the process of moving to Belgium. These are outs that middle class people don't have, will never have. Only the rich can move to Belgium.

The cycle just repeats over and over. You're never going to capture their assets. All burdens fall back on cucks. The best thing to do is wind down government spending and give middle class people their money back, and let rich people donate to organizations if they want to improve society. Just let them donate. But stop government spending now. It's the only way to get regular people their money back is to stop taking it from them and using it for dumb bullshit. You're never going to "seize" the wealth of the rich it won't happen and even if you did it would lead to many disasters.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603410)

Taxes to target the (((elites))) don't get passed. What happens is that "taxing the (((elites)))" is used as a rallying cry to tax the upper middle class.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603422)

if that's how you feel i'd say you should just open your asshold to the elites and stop even participating in political discourse. wealth and power has ebbed and flowed from the people to the elite throughout history. you guys are like gilded age people digging coal in company towns saying "gosh, but if we tax the boss the price of goods at the company store might be even higher."

fine, argue about gendered bathrooms and wokeness while all of your resources and sapped away and spent on propping up a regime that hates you and wants you dead. better not to fight back against masta, it could backfire! wouldn't it suck if wage cucks who currently bare the entire tax burden changed tax policy and made them bare, idk, 110% of the tax burden!!? ackshualllly the problem is spending, if we can just convince the elites to stop spending our money on enriching themselves then maybe we can get them to stop stealing from us somewhat!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603436)

To be clear, what people in my camp want is equal opportunity to become wealthy. We want what boomers had. Low CoL, affordable healthcare and education that doesn't bankrupt us. We want competition. We want a path to become that billionaire. You certainly don't do it by draining the middle class of its resources and making life unlivable. The average self made billionaire comes from UMC. Second most common is LMC. And all this businesses create tons of high paying jobs for thousand of people. We have to create the conditions that make people prosper. And we never created hose conditions from high taxes and entitlements. The great opportunities were created by safe suburbs and affordable education and the ability to do things like drop out of Harvard and start a tech company because you weren't working just to survive. Taxing the rich doesn't move the needle on any of this. It's really not even clear what it would accomplish beyond being a feather in Liz Warren's headdress.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603441)

this type of argument of insisting on a perfect but unachievable solution is common. massively reducing spending is significantly more challenging than equalizing tax rates. and, even regardless of *WHAT* level of spending there is, the rate should be bared equally. it doesn't matter if the government spends $10b or $10t, it should be sourced in a fair way. the only argument people make against this is "but if we target wealthy it might target us instead", which is so silly considering we already bare the entire rate.

and this has nothing to do with hating rich people or socialism. i'm not a socialist. hell, you're ideal flat tax would be better than this -- at least the rich would pay the flat tax! it's really not that difficult and the concept was invented hundreds of years before marx was born. but again, "hating the rich" (by insisting they pay taxes at the same rate i do?) and "socialism" are just scary words designed to avoid discussing this in good faith.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603443)

Philosophers have long been preoccupied with creating a fair society. In the early Soviet Union they made a hypothetical machine to display that would "engineer" the perfect society. They really drank their own kool-aid. It was all based on class resentment, which you clearly have.

The Anglo-American tradition takes the opposite tack. In doing the most good for the most people it's broadly understood in Western history that the ability to obtain wealth for the individual is paramount to maximizing individual freedom. Any time you inhibit that you are swimming upstream from the very thing that creates human happiness. You should never tax anything that must not be taxed without sufficient reason. Being eternally hung up on fairness leads to violent revolution. It leads to oppression and immiseration every time. It's a genuinely dark and terrifying road to be constantly worried about who has what and why.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603455)

i'm not talking about engineering a communist utopia, i'm talking about taxing people equally. you're equating this to communism and overarching concepts of fairness and class resentment because you can't make a cogent argument about why someone making $200k a year should be taxed 33% and someone making billions a year taxed 0% aside from "it would be hard to accomplish." which is a practical consideration when we're discussing the concept itself.

i'm talking about literally the same system we have except people are taxed equally. this isn't about "hating the rich" or "resentment." again, you haven't made any argument why a simple proposition like "tax people at equal rates" and resort only to broad non-sequiturs. this is literally like watching me pay a 0% sales tax and you get to the register and pay 33% and wonder "why is that?" it has nothing to do with me per se.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603481)

let's say hatp's burger stand is getting charged 35% tax. then mcdonald's moves in and not only get's taxed 0%, but also receives a bunch of incentives and funding because ronald mcdonald is politically connected. how the FUCK does that give hatp a better shot and competing with mcdonalds? it fatally handicaps it because all things being equal you'd never be able to compete. that's how the system works as is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603452)

how can something so simple as equalizing the tax code by unfathomable and unachievable but you think reforming the whole system from the bottom up is a better first step?

hint: you're already living in a dystopian hellworld where the elite enrich themselves off your dime. if your first step is "well perhaps the elites in charge should stop enriching themselves so much", good luck. that's what the entire system is. and you won't even bother to tax them. good luck cutting through the gordian knot of unfathomable grift.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603483)

I think there's a fundamental concept to the American way of life to where once you pay tax on earnings those pennies are safe at home plate. There are other ways to fight the gordion knot, just not this one.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5519686&forum_id=2#47603500)