Alex Berenson Pointing Out Something Insane About Trump NY Charges
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 10:06 PM Author: Fishy boistinker
Wtf - I just checked this and its true. The entries and payments were made after the election. How on earth can any of this stand up on appeal?
https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-lawfare-against-donald-trump
But it has an even bigger hole factually. The heart of the underlying crime - the reason that the case is being charged as a felony - is that Trump supposedly engaged in a "conspiracy" to win election.
BUT TRUMP IS NOT BEING CHARGED FOR ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED IN 2016. He's charged for misclassifying the repayments he made to Cohen in 2017.
And in 2017, at the time of the payments to Cohen, Donald Trump had already beaten Hillary Clinton. He was president of the United States. He didn’t need to engage in a conspiracy to win the 2016 election. He COULD NOT engage in a conspiracy to win the 2016 election, not without a time-travel machine, which is not mentioned in the indictment.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605886) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:13 PM Author: Fishy boistinker
That's correct - but the state is not charging Trump with anything related to the payments. The crime is only related to his alleged mis-classfication of the payments on his internal records.
So how could that misclassification be in furtherance of an election he already won?
I mean the whole thing makes no sense - it's all really tenuous circular claims.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47605993) |
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Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:23 PM Author: Fishy boistinker
(i) Assuming everything is true that Trump paid Cohen money for (a) the reimbursement, (b) Cohen's taxes, and (c) Cohen's fees, why is fraud for Trump to characterize all of this as "legal fees" on his internal documents of a private company?
(ii) Who was harmed by this? You say Cohen got to claim it as income rather than reimbursement - but that just means Trump paid more money in taxes. Isn't that good for the government?
(iii) In what way was the C&K ever illegal? It's only a felony because they're alleging it was part of some conspiracy to steal the election. But all the alleged illegal aspects occured after the election?
(iv) Michael Cohen is Trump's attorney and structured the deal. He could easily have structured this transaction legally. Why is Trump being charged criminally for Cohen's alleged incompetence?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606014) |
Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:28 PM Author: brass ticket booth
Goddamn xo is low-IQ. The charge isn't "conspiracy to influence an election." That's the apparent *theme the prosecution is pursuing. And when the payments were clearly *arranged before the election, it's a pretty decent theory of the case.
How WiLL iT HolD UP on AppEaL If the ProSEcutIOn's Theme Is LoGICallY UnpERSuaSivE THo???
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606016) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:40 AM Author: Talented friendly grandma den
Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:43 PM
Author: Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband (oppose bitch bois)
Well, *I'm* not sure what they are. But there are many lawyers on both sides who know the details of the facts and law better than me.
I suppose AB imagines that he's smarter and savvier with the law than all of the lawyers on Trump's side put together, and came up with a unique insight that will inevitably set the Orange Man free?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606029)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606307) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 1:03 AM Author: Dull Chest-beating Coffee Pot
just delay the paid back bribe until after the election!
ONE | WEIRD | TRICK
disclaimer: i have not been paying attention to the charges or trial at all and have no idea what he's actually being charged with or how it all fits into NY law and am just assuming i'm right with the above mockery based on XO being genuinely fucking retarded in general
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606073) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:39 AM Author: Talented friendly grandma den
Date: April 23rd, 2024 11:28 PM
Author: Emotionally + Physically Abusive Ex-Husband (oppose bitch bois)
Goddamn xo is low-IQ. The charge isn't "conspiracy to influence an election." That's the apparent *theme the prosecution is pursuing. And when the payments were clearly *arranged before the election, it's a pretty decent theory of the case.
How WiLL iT HolD UP on AppEaL If the ProSEcutIOn's Theme Is LoGICallY UnpERSuaSivE THo???
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606016)
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606306) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:32 PM Author: Tantric Cracking Trust Fund
To be fair,
OK EPAH, please give us retarded mouth breathers the high IQ “I’m a real lawyer” take:
1 - 10, how legally sound do think this this case is against Trump? (1 is complete bullshit, 10 is ironclad slam dunk.)
Tyia.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609804) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 8:18 PM Author: Fishy boistinker
"But the nice thing for the prosecution is that part doesn’t matter since hes not being charged with influencing the election."
But they do have to prove that it was done in furtherance of a crime to make it a felony.
Presumably at some point a judge is going to say that in order to raise it from a felony because it was in furtherance of a crime, the prosecution is going to have to specify a crime?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47607827) |
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Date: April 24th, 2024 9:51 AM Author: Arousing fluffy point
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if the robbery was part of the conspiracy then the conspiracy was still alive.
maybe you were being sarcastic in which case i apologize brother.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606328) |
Date: April 24th, 2024 10:16 AM Author: Unhinged space chad
there's like one substantive, intelligent comment in this entire discussion, jfc how far this place has fallen
everything else is retards crying
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47606351) |
Date: April 25th, 2024 3:30 PM Author: Mind-boggling Startled Prole
First degree falsifying business records may be predicated on the falsification being intended either to further another crime or to conceal it. So they could prove an unlawful campaign contribution and that the falsification of the business record was done with the intent to conceal the campaign finance violation.
However, it seems like they aren't even focusing on the campaign finance violation now, and are trying to say the predicate crime is conspiracy to promote or prevent election:
"Any two or more persons who conspire to promote or prevent the election of any person to a public office by unlawful means and which conspiracy is acted upon by one or more of the parties thereto, shall be guilty of a misdemeanor."
I'm not sure how this theory works, but it seems circular.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47609407) |
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Date: April 25th, 2024 8:49 PM Author: Fishy boistinker
This is the most evil and repugnant line of thinking that people advance on issue like this.
Look what they did to Michael Cohen. They basically walked over attorney client privilege, went hunting for a crime, found mortgage application he lied on (even though he paid the loan in full - seem familiar?).
Then they saw his wife signed the mortgage application, so they go to him and say "plead guilty to the campaign finance charges or we'll throw your wife in jail."
And then these evil, corrupt people point to this and say "Clearly it was an illegal campaign finance contribution Michael Cohen plead guilty to it!"
It's moral corruption at the highest level.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5520947&forum_id=2#47610182) |
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