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What's going to happen to the incel population in 20-30 years?

Will they even be able to retire or something? I can't imagi...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
The women are also going to be single and childless so they'...
Walnut nighttime toaster stead
  04/25/24
Lmao
big cruel-hearted shrine voyeur
  04/25/24
Except our entire political class is geared towards the need...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
who do you think the Great Unhoused are? women? The future...
embarrassed to the bone sound barrier community account
  04/25/24
...
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/25/24
who cares
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/25/24
Video games and alcohol in rented bedrooms in shared houses,...
fragrant unhinged philosopher-king tanning salon
  04/25/24
Throw in weed, porn, live sports on tv and fucking a hooker ...
Impertinent cumskin electric furnace
  04/25/24
This sounds great, actually
comical church building pisswyrm
  04/25/24
(Captain Goyslop)
Chrome Razzmatazz Principal's Office Round Eye
  04/27/24
Way of the Future
Know-it-all mint theater stage
  04/27/24
none of you have uncles or aunts that just never married/lef...
Bright Volcanic Crater
  04/25/24
Some talented Jews will be able to squeeze the last dollars ...
Olive Beady-eyed Plaza
  04/25/24
Suicide as a service
Stubborn menage
  04/25/24
this is a really good post, ive never heard anyone frame the...
henna pervert jew
  04/25/24
I think GOP/Trump has the incel backing now, but only becaus...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
...
henna pervert jew
  04/25/24
good post man
henna pervert jew
  04/25/24
spiritual ascension
lilac location really tough guy
  04/25/24
...
henna pervert jew
  04/25/24
crazy way of selling getting high everyday
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
but it works
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/26/24
20-30 years? There's only 6 years left.
Drab Tank Mood
  04/25/24
i still dont understand what an "incel" is.
Glittery talking abode
  04/25/24
maybe because you're a retarded faggot
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/25/24
harsh but fair
embarrassed to the bone sound barrier community account
  04/25/24
atleast for the men, retiring becomes easier. no woman to le...
Black adulterous set deer antler
  04/25/24
what % of men do you think are going to be gainfully employe...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
probably higher than the % of men that have to worry about t...
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/25/24
...
Black adulterous set deer antler
  04/25/24
Have you seen/read A Clockwork Orange? Men with nothing to l...
splenetic electric parlour
  04/25/24
so nothing changes
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/25/24
right
splenetic electric parlour
  04/25/24
figure it into the pop graph as a whole. Ill take your 30 ye...
Bistre thriller haunted graveyard quadroon
  04/25/24
selling out workers for open borders cheap labor isnt "...
Glittery talking abode
  04/25/24
i think you're missing the nuances of what im trying to brin...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
how much uber stock do you own you peabrained kike
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/25/24
?
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
They'll be taxed to death to pay for handouts to favored gro...
comical church building pisswyrm
  04/25/24
i dont think men who know theyre going to die alone and unlo...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
you're being overly optimistic
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/25/24
what part of what i said seems optimistic to you
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
incel gamers participating in the gig economy
Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot
  04/25/24
Not sure if I met any irl “incels.” Most of my f...
multi-colored house-broken public bath
  04/25/24
i've never met anyone from idaho so i guess that state doesn...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/25/24
lollercausting HARD ITT
spectacular station
  04/25/24
i guess we'll see what south korea does since the problem is...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/26/24
yeah bro 1500 girls fucked and i am PANICKING now
nyuug
  04/29/24
it's good u can laugh at yourself, gookcel
violent pea-brained therapy
  04/26/24
They will achieve total victory and their oppressors will fa...
Clear University
  04/26/24
Major financial drain on society. No children paying tax...
Pearly Mediation
  04/26/24
Given that the 'rest of us' disproportionately includes sing...
Federal Snowy Church
  04/26/24
imagine what kind of soul thinks about this issue for a mome...
Aggressive Appetizing Locus
  04/26/24
first day? xo is full of exactly the type of people who t...
Mustard rigpig gaping
  04/27/24
How do nonincels differ here? They also get sick and rack up...
Olive Beady-eyed Plaza
  04/27/24
xo will always have azns
Blue beta lodge
  04/26/24
cant wait for sex robots that are so real u dont even need a...
geriatric private investor
  04/27/24
shrews will make them illegal
obsidian aromatic meetinghouse
  04/27/24
Retire in Thailand, Vietnam, philipjnes
floppy hateful masturbator
  04/27/24
Why Asia though? Do you like to be amongst chinks?
Olive Beady-eyed Plaza
  04/27/24
Cheap housing, cheap bj?
floppy hateful masturbator
  04/27/24
the prob is that perhaps in 15-20 years SE asia is actually ...
geriatric private investor
  04/27/24
180 pitch for CIA deep staters to get incels to support fore...
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  04/29/24


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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:06 AM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

Will they even be able to retire or something? I can't imagine our increasingly woman-dominated/minded political class wanting to expend resources to help incel men.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608585)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:08 AM
Author: Walnut nighttime toaster stead

The women are also going to be single and childless so they'll have incentive to provide safety nets for both of them

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608588)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:10 AM
Author: big cruel-hearted shrine voyeur

Lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608591)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:11 AM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

Except our entire political class is geared towards the needs of women. Whenever women want or need something, the system cracks the whip to make it happen. The media and pols on both parties endlessly talk about abortion because it affects women. No one GAF about worsening male mortality rates. If anything the women, who want nothing to do with incel men, would prefer to let the incel dudes starve so they can have their share of social security.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608593)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:29 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone sound barrier community account

who do you think the Great Unhoused are? women?

The future is here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609401)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:30 PM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609405)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:09 AM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot

who cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608589)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:11 AM
Author: fragrant unhinged philosopher-king tanning salon

Video games and alcohol in rented bedrooms in shared houses, living off meager savings and government assistance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608594)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:02 PM
Author: Impertinent cumskin electric furnace

Throw in weed, porn, live sports on tv and fucking a hooker 2-4 times a year and you’ve described a plausible Man Utopia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609732)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 5:10 PM
Author: comical church building pisswyrm

This sounds great, actually

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609752)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 7:20 AM
Author: Chrome Razzmatazz Principal's Office Round Eye

(Captain Goyslop)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612763)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 1:31 PM
Author: Know-it-all mint theater stage

Way of the Future

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47613297)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:19 AM
Author: Bright Volcanic Crater

none of you have uncles or aunts that just never married/left home/stayed back to take care of the parents?

i remember a great uncle died when i was a kid. smallest funeral id ever been to. it was just my immediate family and grand parents/few cousins. like 15 people total. one of the few coffins i had to carry from the funeral home to the grave.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608614)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:23 AM
Author: Olive Beady-eyed Plaza

Some talented Jews will be able to squeeze the last dollars out of them by providing them with quick deaths or some similar way to escape dying poor and alone. We just have to wait for that new service to be created (biz idea).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608626)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 11:51 AM
Author: Stubborn menage

Suicide as a service

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608777)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:33 AM
Author: henna pervert jew

this is a really good post, ive never heard anyone frame the incel question this way wrt women dominating the political class and long term ramifications of huge swathes of incel precariats being at their mercy

its not just a funny 4chan/hyper online thing anymore ... incels who plan to/who will live out their lives aren't going to organize politically to get their gibs or do anything to mitigate the damage shrews will do to them with their votes

where does the incel vote go? trump? whos taking care of single male working class slaves?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608652)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:59 AM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

I think GOP/Trump has the incel backing now, but only because they see it as a reflexive punch against the women who loathe them (because those women also loathe Trump).

I think as demographics kick in and GOP becomes less competitive nationally over the next decade, incel men are going to get screwed. Mainstream GOP will expend almost no energy to save them from getting fucked by gynocratic libs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608709)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 11:45 AM
Author: henna pervert jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608754)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 10:34 AM
Author: henna pervert jew

good post man

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608659)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 11:01 AM
Author: lilac location really tough guy

spiritual ascension

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608711)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 11:45 AM
Author: henna pervert jew



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608755)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 4:56 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

crazy way of selling getting high everyday

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609713)



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Date: April 26th, 2024 10:22 PM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot

but it works

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612355)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 11:11 AM
Author: Drab Tank Mood

20-30 years? There's only 6 years left.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608721)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 11:13 AM
Author: Glittery talking abode

i still dont understand what an "incel" is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608726)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 11:47 AM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot

maybe because you're a retarded faggot

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608761)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:31 PM
Author: embarrassed to the bone sound barrier community account

harsh but fair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609409)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 11:53 AM
Author: Black adulterous set deer antler

atleast for the men, retiring becomes easier. no woman to leech off of him. no kids also.

emotional stability is the bigger issue.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608781)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:04 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

what % of men do you think are going to be gainfully employed and productive, never mind diligently saving for retirement, if they know they're consigned to being a genetic dead end with no spouse to care for?



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609034)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:06 PM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot

probably higher than the % of men that have to worry about that stupid bullshit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609047)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 4:44 PM
Author: Black adulterous set deer antler



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609681)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 12:01 PM
Author: splenetic electric parlour

Have you seen/read A Clockwork Orange? Men with nothing to lose rape/pillage and form gangs. Society will try to control them through propaganda and technology. Everything will be really shitty and women will have purple hair and dildo statues adorning their apartments.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608796)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 12:13 PM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot

so nothing changes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608804)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 12:26 PM
Author: splenetic electric parlour

right

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608812)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 1:13 PM
Author: Bistre thriller haunted graveyard quadroon

figure it into the pop graph as a whole. Ill take your 30 years as the point

2054. The final boomers are about 100. They get a lot of media attention. "Last remaining Woodstock concert-goers attend reunion" featuring a photo of 4 of them, etc.

Xers are 75-90s. Many will have been able to retire. Probably the last retiree generation. They will be majority white, obviously. Almost all will have children, but far fewer grandkids. They will have the best economic status among living generations and will spend heavily on their very few grandkids. They will finally get an Xer potus, in her 70s. Probably someone retro, like Chelsea Clinton.

Millennials are retirement age, but largely unmarried and debt-ridden. There will be endless national conversations about how they cannot retire. As many as half of them do not have kids to help with bills. The government will eventually spend heavily to subsidize them and this will start around the late 50s.

Zoomers are now in their prime working years. They are majority non-white. Even fewer marriages and kids than millennials. They are renters. Their income will go directly to the superrich millennials and Xers who control all the subscription services and real estate. Zoomers own nothing and barely have a middle class.

Alphas are in their 20s, white a smaller minority than ever. There have never been jobs for them. Entry level jobs are all automated and AI, and professional careers seem pointless. They need massive welfare but the Millennial retirement spending and health care will eat up all the fed dollars. They will resist this and despise millennials, but lose. Without marriage, children, or money, and predominantly hispanic, they will finalize the third worldification. They will justifiably feel no loyalty or love at all for the US, which has delivered them nothing. Mass despair. Civil unrest. Unravelling.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608896)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 1:39 PM
Author: Glittery talking abode

selling out workers for open borders cheap labor isnt "automation" or "ai" lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608916)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:41 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

i think you're missing the nuances of what im trying to bring up.

the issue is that while women are making more money and having higher status jobs, more and more men - incels - are checking out of life and doing random gig jobs to pay rent for a shitbox studio and smoke weed all day. both groups loathe each other, and the former is not going to want to subsidize the retirement or welfare of the latter, which is effectively what will have to happen for any hypothetical government intervention.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609279)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:43 PM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot

how much uber stock do you own you peabrained kike

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609287)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:47 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609331)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 1:44 PM
Author: comical church building pisswyrm

They'll be taxed to death to pay for handouts to favored groups. They will not be permitted to retain the savings they accumulate from being single, childless and keeps to themselves

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47608933)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:06 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

i dont think men who know theyre going to die alone and unloved are going to keep striving to earn income that can be taxed. i think it's far more likely that a huge % of incels will work random doordash gigs here and there to pay rent for a shitbox, smoke weed and play vidya games. it's going to be a question, IMO, of if and how the govt will do anything to take care of them at retirement age

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609049)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:37 PM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot

you're being overly optimistic

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609223)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:47 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

what part of what i said seems optimistic to you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609333)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 2:48 PM
Author: Grizzly Concupiscible Hall Idiot

incel gamers participating in the gig economy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609347)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 3:34 PM
Author: multi-colored house-broken public bath

Not sure if I met any irl “incels.” Most of my friends get married eventually or find someone. Very rare dudes just float off and don’t form any sort of “movement.”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609420)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 4:06 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

i've never met anyone from idaho so i guess that state doesnt exist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47609533)



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Date: April 25th, 2024 8:56 PM
Author: spectacular station

lollercausting HARD ITT

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47610193)



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Date: April 26th, 2024 8:22 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

i guess we'll see what south korea does since the problem is orders of magnitude worse there

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612150)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 5:05 PM
Author: nyuug (Gangnam WGWAG Playboy)

yeah bro 1500 girls fucked and i am PANICKING now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47619244)



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Date: April 26th, 2024 9:49 PM
Author: violent pea-brained therapy

it's good u can laugh at yourself, gookcel

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612330)



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Date: April 26th, 2024 8:24 PM
Author: Clear University

They will achieve total victory and their oppressors will face millennia of unyielding pain.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612156)



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Date: April 26th, 2024 8:25 PM
Author: Pearly Mediation

Major financial drain on society.

No children paying taxes.

Many will just be living on SSDI and eventually social secusiry poasting online.

Eventualy, will each rack up millions in medical bills the rest of us pay for.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612162)



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Date: April 26th, 2024 9:41 PM
Author: Federal Snowy Church

Given that the 'rest of us' disproportionately includes single women in lucrative white collar jobs, I have a feeling we'll finally get bipartisan consensus on axing welfare benefits.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612319)



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Date: April 26th, 2024 9:42 PM
Author: Aggressive Appetizing Locus

imagine what kind of soul thinks about this issue for a moment and reflexively goes to coin coin coin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612323)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 7:32 AM
Author: Mustard rigpig gaping

first day?

xo is full of exactly the type of people who think their fraud lawyer money makes them your Better

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612771)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 5:42 AM
Author: Olive Beady-eyed Plaza

How do nonincels differ here? They also get sick and rack up millions in medical bills.

It's more about the $ they generated during their lifetime. Being married doesn't make you wealthy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612728)



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Date: April 26th, 2024 9:43 PM
Author: Blue beta lodge

xo will always have azns

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612326)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 6:00 AM
Author: geriatric private investor

cant wait for sex robots that are so real u dont even need actual slimpits

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612732)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 6:22 AM
Author: obsidian aromatic meetinghouse

shrews will make them illegal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612735)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 6:34 AM
Author: floppy hateful masturbator

Retire in Thailand, Vietnam, philipjnes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612742)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 7:06 AM
Author: Olive Beady-eyed Plaza

Why Asia though? Do you like to be amongst chinks?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612759)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 7:29 AM
Author: floppy hateful masturbator

Cheap housing, cheap bj?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47612768)



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Date: April 27th, 2024 1:20 PM
Author: geriatric private investor

the prob is that perhaps in 15-20 years SE asia is actually not that cheap to live... esp if the USD goes to hell it wont seem veddy cheap

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47613265)



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Date: April 29th, 2024 4:04 PM
Author: .,.,.,...,,,,..,.,.,..,...,


180 pitch for CIA deep staters to get incels to support forever wars in the developing world

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5521352&forum_id=2#47619011)