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Will university trouble "work itself out" as # of HS grads plummets?

After the class of 2025, the baby bust begins and may never ...
maize senate
  04/30/24
They seem to be doing ok just taking more and more full-pay ...
Zippy irradiated school cafeteria
  04/30/24
someone Online claimed that 40% (!) of current Columbia stud...
odious bonkers codepig
  04/30/24
This says 30% are international students. And then yeah, pr...
Zippy irradiated school cafeteria
  04/30/24
born in other countries but are domestic students
odious bonkers codepig
  05/01/24
the brands won't survive being "the indian and chinese ...
maize senate
  04/30/24
Well, they segregate most of them into masters programs that...
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  04/30/24
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Angry dilemma degenerate
  05/01/24
This is why prestigious schools push back on relying on stan...
Heady Indian Lodge Kitty
  05/01/24
itll work out in 20 years after all these migrants have 5 ki...
maroon temple travel guidebook
  04/30/24
I’m gay
Sinister gay wizard school
  04/30/24
As a huge dork, I follow this issue closely. The majority of...
zombie-like trip private investor digit ratio
  04/30/24
Where do you see things going? I follow this issue too. Se...
indecent church round eye
  04/30/24
Nathan D Grawe is a professor who covered this in his book &...
zombie-like trip private investor digit ratio
  04/30/24
all birthrates are decreasing. Black fertility is down to 1...
odious bonkers codepig
  05/01/24
180 million moniker
Angry dilemma degenerate
  05/01/24
Plenty of TTT's are already cutting majors or shutting down ...
Topaz Theatre
  04/30/24
Probably true, but there are a lot of these TTT's (at least ...
laughsome red address
  05/01/24
I don't really get the reason for these liberal arts college...
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Zippy irradiated school cafeteria
  05/01/24
Rich kids who want small class sizes (and whose parents are ...
Topaz Theatre
  05/01/24
they're just going to let anyone with a pulse in the kind...
odious bonkers codepig
  05/01/24
Second part of my op didnt really get addressed. Say coll...
maize senate
  05/01/24
I don’t see how online learning can perform any of tho...
zombie-like trip private investor digit ratio
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-trains young people to vote the way the ptb want them to ...
odious bonkers codepig
  05/01/24
People keep saying that online learning will make traditiona...
Topaz Theatre
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i have little doubt that not much "learning" goes ...
maize senate
  05/01/24
I'm not convinced. Sure, one can learn to code online and be...
Topaz Theatre
  05/01/24
None of these places help anyone or do anything useful
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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:16 PM
Author: maize senate

After the class of 2025, the baby bust begins and may never really end.

Waves of colleges will go out of business and those on the top may actually have to compete for students, right about the time that virtual learning becomes credentialed enough for hiring.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47622393)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:17 PM
Author: Zippy irradiated school cafeteria

They seem to be doing ok just taking more and more full-pay international students (basically a way to pay for a visa).

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47622401)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:19 PM
Author: odious bonkers codepig

someone Online claimed that 40% (!) of current Columbia students were born in other countries

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47622415)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:22 PM
Author: Zippy irradiated school cafeteria

This says 30% are international students. And then yeah, probably another 10% born in other countries but are domestic students.

https://www.usnews.com/education/best-global-universities/columbia-university-190150#:~:text=Around%2030%20percent%20of%20students,for%20graduate%20students%20as%20well.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47622422)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 2:54 PM
Author: odious bonkers codepig

born in other countries but are domestic students

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47625479)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:22 PM
Author: maize senate

the brands won't survive being "the indian and chinese place".

maybe the prestige remains a little bit at first, but not past a generation.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47622419)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:23 PM
Author: Zippy irradiated school cafeteria

Well, they segregate most of them into masters programs that are basically 100% Indian/Chinese, and still keep the UG programs majority US. For now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47622430)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 3:49 AM
Author: Angry dilemma degenerate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47624018)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 1:59 PM
Author: Heady Indian Lodge Kitty

This is why prestigious schools push back on relying on standardized tests and HS grades. Even extracurriculars are iffy. Total blind admission on "academics" leads to a school full of pajeets and chongs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47625274)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:53 PM
Author: maroon temple travel guidebook

itll work out in 20 years after all these migrants have 5 kids each.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47622527)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 5:59 PM
Author: Sinister gay wizard school

I’m gay

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47622546)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 7:56 PM
Author: zombie-like trip private investor digit ratio

As a huge dork, I follow this issue closely. The majority of colleges already admit everyone with a pulse who applies. The State of New York just gives college admission to all in-state students now, whether they ask for it or not. Many private colleges will fail. What will really be interesting is how good a state school will need to be to survive this period.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47623013)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 8:21 PM
Author: indecent church round eye

Where do you see things going? I follow this issue too. Seems like things will be especially brutal in the Northeast and Midwest.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47623145)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 11:54 PM
Author: zombie-like trip private investor digit ratio

Nathan D Grawe is a professor who covered this in his book “Demographics and the Demand For Higher Education”. Download it, it’s fascinating. He agrees that the Northeast and Midwest will pay a heavy price for their low birth rate, compounded by out-migration. The Sunbelt states will do better, with the best schools experiencing no serious decline in head count. The elite universities are in a league of their own and will prosper as always.

Flagship state universities will most likely steal all the best students and faculty from regional colleges as the pool of eligible students slowly contracts.

The real problem, which no legitimate author will mention but XOXO can, is not that birth rate is going down. It’s that WHITE birth rate is going down, as well as Asian. You can invite all the retarded niggers and Spics to college as you want, but they will not get the same outcomes as white students, ever. So the slowly dwindling pool of students is actually quickly dwindling once you limit the consideration to actual high achievers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47623659)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 5:42 AM
Author: odious bonkers codepig

all birthrates are decreasing. Black fertility is down to 1.67, which is the kind of number we used to mock South Korea for in 2010

Whites got a little bit of a head start but it's a decline across the board

https://www.statista.com/statistics/226292/us-fertility-rates-by-race-and-ethnicity/

also not sure if you're new to xo but we don't condone the use of racially derogatory terms here. thanks,

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47624149)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 3:49 AM
Author: Angry dilemma degenerate

180 million moniker

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47624017)



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Date: April 30th, 2024 10:44 PM
Author: Topaz Theatre

Plenty of TTT's are already cutting majors or shutting down entirely. That trend is only going to accelerate as the number of potential applicants decreases. But I doubt it is going to affect many schools other than TTT's that never should have been open in the first place. Most public schools and decent privates may need to lower their admissions standards a bit, but they will have no trouble filling their classes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47623482)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 1:11 AM
Author: laughsome red address

Probably true, but there are a lot of these TTT's (at least in the Midwest). I could even see decent private schools having some problems in the near future.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47623826)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 1:57 PM
Author: Heady Indian Lodge Kitty

I don't really get the reason for these liberal arts colleges in the 30-100 range on USNWR. What is the advantage here?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47625264)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 2:34 PM
Author: Zippy irradiated school cafeteria



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47625405)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 5:09 PM
Author: Topaz Theatre

Rich kids who want small class sizes (and whose parents are mortified at the thought of their precious son attending a state school) plus poor kids who think that the campus is pretty and don't comprehend that state school would get the same outcome for $200k less. I think that covers at least 80-90% of cases.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47626060)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 5:43 AM
Author: odious bonkers codepig

they're just going to let anyone with a pulse in

the kind of women who are going to get "education" degrees in the next 10-15 years should frighten you to the bone. just pray God it doesn't hit engineering departments

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47624151)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 8:04 AM
Author: maize senate

Second part of my op didnt really get addressed.

Say college serves the following social functions, without bothering to order them:

- contains immature adults for a while before allowing them into society

- clusters demographics / phenotypes together so that they can bond before their careers

- gives some small percentage of students pre-professional training

- creates a tiny amount of scholars / scholarship

- sorts future employees by status and potential

This last one, in conjunction with the clustering types together, grants employers enough data to make informed decisions. "Okay, time to hire 5 prestige school alumni, 10 state school high gpa'ers, exactly 3 blacks sufficiently whitened by college, and 5 hr fat women.

This function can and will be served by performance on online learning platforms.

It is employers who are sustaining the current model, but the only benefit they get out of it is well-organized data. They can get that elsewhere

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47624307)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 8:18 AM
Author: zombie-like trip private investor digit ratio

I don’t see how online learning can perform any of those functions, although I agree those are important functions of college.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47624331)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 9:19 AM
Author: odious bonkers codepig

-trains young people to vote the way the ptb want them to

this ensures a steady stream of gov't funding, rendering the rest irrelevant

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47624479)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 1:47 PM
Author: Topaz Theatre

People keep saying that online learning will make traditional universities obsolete. But we tried widespread online learning during the pandemic, and it was an utter disaster. Attrition rates were astronomical. And before the pandemic, people thought that MOOC's were the future of higher education, but they had ridiculously high attrition rates as well. Online learning is not going to be a threat to brick and mortar colleges and universities until someone figures out a way to offer online courses where students 1) don't drop out, and 2) actually learn something. So far nobody has managed to make that happen, and I doubt that is going to change any time soon. It will be very interesting to see what happens to higher education when/if it does.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47625229)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 1:54 PM
Author: maize senate

i have little doubt that not much "learning" goes on online, but not much more learning goes on on campus.

There are a few industries that hire college grads expecting proof that the grad knows something and can do something already. These future employees are the type who *will* gain the knowledge on their laptop at home as much as in a seminar on campus. Employers have no reason to indirectly support the undergrad scam except for its reliability in credentialing these smart kids, which it is doing worse every year. A dam will break when big tech just starts hiring people with online credentials.

There is the other group of students, who don't know shit, and have to be trained everything anyway. This is like 90%. Right now, a bachelors tells the employer that the person is sufficiently socialized not to be expelled, and capable of some direction, as evidenced by their GPA. But these are conditions that can be met in other ways, and I think they will be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47625254)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 5:18 PM
Author: Topaz Theatre

I'm not convinced. Sure, one can learn to code online and become a competent SWE, but I think that's the rare exception. Nobody is going to hire a doctor or nurse or physical therapist (or any other health science professional) who went to an online school. And I doubt that many employers are going to want to hire science/engineering types who got an online degree with no laboratory or hands on training. What other "professional" bachelors degrees can one do online without sacrificing essential learning? Maybe accounting? That's not going to be enough to put brick and mortar schools out of business.

And for non-STEM (and some STEM) degrees where they care more about the credential than they do about what you learned in school, given that online degree programs are almost 100% non-rigorous (and cheating is rampant), why would you hire someone with an online degree than someone with a legitimate degree, even if it's from a TTT? Someone who graduated from a brick and mortar university managed to make it to class and take tests for four years without failing out, which should weed out the most extreme incompetent people. Someone with an online degree may have just hired a dude in India to take all his classes for him.

TLDR: There's lots of issues that need to be worked out before online universities become a serious threat to brick and mortar universities.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47626096)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 9:33 AM
Author: startled macaca

None of these places help anyone or do anything useful

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47624510)



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Date: May 1st, 2024 1:55 PM
Author: Salmon stimulating crotch



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5523265&forum_id=2#47625259)