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If you had like 12 mil in a Trad IRA would you retire and take the penalty

Taxes + penalty under 59.5 years old
orange drunken immigrant den
  05/08/24
Light it on fire
Well-lubricated histrionic dopamine
  05/08/24
I would just borrow money and pay it off when I can withdraw...
bright reading party
  05/08/24
...
honey-headed bateful mad-dog skullcap
  05/08/24
wow
Jade Startled Cuckoldry Whorehouse
  05/08/24
(guy getting the ENTIRE IRA amount treated as a distribution...
Poppy roast beef doctorate
  05/08/24
Can’t you use a SEPP to avoid penalty
Hairraiser Greedy Meetinghouse Multi-billionaire
  05/08/24
Yes Also I'm pretty sure you don't have to aggregate your...
Glassy Center
  05/08/24
gay marry a 59.5 yo man, have him withdraw it, and then gay ...
Jade Startled Cuckoldry Whorehouse
  05/08/24
HIV
Hairraiser Greedy Meetinghouse Multi-billionaire
  05/08/24
...
bright reading party
  05/08/24
...
swashbuckling tripping locale
  05/08/24
...
Well-lubricated histrionic dopamine
  05/08/24
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Dashing gay wizard stage
  05/08/24
I will never retire and withdraw socially like that. I don't...
Effete kitty persian
  05/08/24
this thread isn't about you stupid mopey fat fuck
Provocative pea-brained incel
  05/08/24
I just don't think anyone should ever retire. It's not a goa...
Effete kitty persian
  05/08/24
nobody cares what you think Mr Houston, TX.
Provocative pea-brained incel
  05/08/24
That's not my name and not my town, brother.
Effete kitty persian
  05/08/24
...
Amethyst coffee pot
  05/08/24
I think it's niggaz and Jews.
bright reading party
  05/08/24
Pick one: abundant homeownership, retirement at a reasonable...
Appetizing transparent stead striped hyena
  05/08/24
agree but owning real estate is good, just it shouldn’...
bat-shit-crazy selfie puppy
  05/08/24
I don't disagree with owning real estate as an asset in some...
Effete kitty persian
  05/08/24
...
Heady Henna Theater
  05/08/24
stfu
orange drunken immigrant den
  05/08/24
Today I would still plan to work for at least 10 more years....
saffron rigor orchestra pit
  05/08/24
I can't believe people still plan on sending their kids to c...
Heady Henna Theater
  05/08/24
Or they can max out loans and do IDR w/ maxed out 401k.
honey-headed bateful mad-dog skullcap
  05/08/24
Not requiring college, but I strongly suspect that predictio...
saffron rigor orchestra pit
  05/08/24
Yes
gold french chef giraffe
  05/08/24
I liquidated my IRA in my late 20s and used it to travel the...
Passionate mexican
  05/08/24
How much?
Well-lubricated histrionic dopamine
  05/08/24
It wasn't a lot it was like 50 For some reason I started ...
Passionate mexican
  05/08/24
It doesn’t matter there’s going to be a massive ...
Well-lubricated histrionic dopamine
  05/08/24
can you use an IRA to secure a LOC? maybe not a great idea n...
Pearl curious toilet seat bawdyhouse
  05/08/24
IIRC the interest you pay on a traditional IRA LOC is paid t...
honey-headed bateful mad-dog skullcap
  05/08/24
i meant using the assets in an IRA as security for a separat...
Pearl curious toilet seat bawdyhouse
  05/08/24
I don’t think you can because of federal anti spendthr...
Brass dingle berry shrine
  05/09/24
spaceporn could just go ahead and retire, no penalty
talking half-breed
  05/08/24
u stoopid faggot u dont have to take the entire amount out, ...
Carnelian parlor cuck
  05/08/24
fuck u chink
orange drunken immigrant den
  05/09/24
FYI you can avoid the penalty if you take substantially equa...
offensive black telephone
  05/09/24


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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:12 PM
Author: orange drunken immigrant den

Taxes + penalty under 59.5 years old

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644918)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:13 PM
Author: Well-lubricated histrionic dopamine

Light it on fire

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644924)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:14 PM
Author: bright reading party

I would just borrow money and pay it off when I can withdraw without penalty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644926)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:21 PM
Author: honey-headed bateful mad-dog skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644955)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:24 PM
Author: Jade Startled Cuckoldry Whorehouse

wow

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644967)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:48 PM
Author: Poppy roast beef doctorate

(guy getting the ENTIRE IRA amount treated as a distribution in the current year and having to pay taxes and getting penalty-pwned LJL)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645499)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:23 PM
Author: Hairraiser Greedy Meetinghouse Multi-billionaire

Can’t you use a SEPP to avoid penalty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644962)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:02 PM
Author: Glassy Center

Yes

Also I'm pretty sure you don't have to aggregate your IRA balances for purposes of calculating the SEPP - you do the SEPP calculation on the account value. So if doing a SEPP on the full 12 milli would make your income too high, you can just break off a chunk into a separate account.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645075)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:26 PM
Author: Jade Startled Cuckoldry Whorehouse

gay marry a 59.5 yo man, have him withdraw it, and then gay divorce him

what would be a reasonable fee for this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644973)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 12:27 PM
Author: Hairraiser Greedy Meetinghouse Multi-billionaire

HIV

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47644975)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:11 PM
Author: bright reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645112)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 4:23 PM
Author: swashbuckling tripping locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645828)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:29 PM
Author: Well-lubricated histrionic dopamine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645185)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 3:02 PM
Author: Dashing gay wizard stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645554)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:04 PM
Author: Effete kitty persian

I will never retire and withdraw socially like that. I don't see the appeal.

It's not a question of money.

"Retirement" is not a math problem or even a desirable place to end up.

It's a real-life problem that we should all work hard to avoid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645085)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:05 PM
Author: Provocative pea-brained incel

this thread isn't about you stupid mopey fat fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645089)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:11 PM
Author: Effete kitty persian

I just don't think anyone should ever retire. It's not a goal worth having.

In fact, I think it is things like obsession with retirement and obsession with home ownership that's destroying America.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645111)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:17 PM
Author: Provocative pea-brained incel

nobody cares what you think Mr Houston, TX.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645131)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:18 PM
Author: Effete kitty persian

That's not my name and not my town, brother.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645137)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:18 PM
Author: Amethyst coffee pot



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645138)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:19 PM
Author: bright reading party

I think it's niggaz and Jews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645148)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:22 PM
Author: Appetizing transparent stead striped hyena

Pick one: abundant homeownership, retirement at a reasonable age, and all niggers and jews deported, *OR* live in pods, work until death, but you get to keep the niggers and jews

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645403)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:31 PM
Author: bat-shit-crazy selfie puppy

agree but owning real estate is good, just it shouldn’t be your own very expensive coffin

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645426)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:35 PM
Author: Effete kitty persian

I don't disagree with owning real estate as an asset in some situations. I just disagree with the mass marketed idea that homeownership is some kind of "American Dream" or some key feature of American economic exceptionalism.

Homeownership hurts more people than anyone lets on in this country and it's full of pitfalls for the unwary. SFH ownerships causes financial hardship, divorces, child abuse, spousal abuse, mental health crises, hospitalizations, suicide, etc. It's toxic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645438)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:53 PM
Author: Heady Henna Theater



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645523)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:52 PM
Author: orange drunken immigrant den

stfu

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645294)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:59 PM
Author: saffron rigor orchestra pit

Today I would still plan to work for at least 10 more years. If I was over 50 and kids were on their way/attending or admitted to good colleges that I could afford to pay for without borrowing, then I would work for like 1-2 more years and get to where I had 200-300k in cash and then would buy 2-3 tear down/fixer upper houses to flip. Would do 3-4 rounds of flips and would always borrow and take losses I could carry forward to offset taxes on 401k withdrawals. Beyond that it would give me a way to teach my kids to work with their hands and would set me up with better lending relationships for future businesses. Would try to have a couple flips be properties that family could keep long term like a ski/mountain place or hunting lodge, a beach house or lake house, and a 2 bdrm apartment in MFH, and set those up as airbnbs and then expense as many family vacations for the extended family and friends as possible, call them business trips to scout new flips and probably come up with 2-3 other businesses that could also give me deductible expenses to use against 401k. If I’m 60 with 15M in cash and a few valuable properties for short term rentals that have solid equity I think I’d be ready to retire and just write or make music the rest of my days.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645316)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:56 PM
Author: Heady Henna Theater

I can't believe people still plan on sending their kids to college and also paying for it knowing what we know now. The CR plan is *if* your kids want to go to college, get a scholly to local school or get the cheapest STEM degree possible.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645530)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:58 PM
Author: honey-headed bateful mad-dog skullcap

Or they can max out loans and do IDR w/ maxed out 401k.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645537)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 5:54 PM
Author: saffron rigor orchestra pit

Not requiring college, but I strongly suspect that predictions of the decline of its credentialing and signaling power for employers are wrong and it will become a luxury good to allow the rich to identify themselves while portraying it as merit. Also both my kids are going to be handsome bros and I want them to experience the joy of banging lots of girls in college. For this reason I will strongly push them toward state flagships (I attended one and it was 180), but I won’t restrict them to attending the state schools where they get a scholly. Also it’s likely that nearly all of their high school friends will go to college and they will want to keep up. But if they tell me senior year that they aren’t sure if they want to go to college and they want to do anything else that would be useful instead—start/grow a business, tour with their bands, start a website to document their year in Europe banging chicks in every major European capital, etc.—I would be all about it. I do think the “every guy should just do a building trade” school of thought is pretty stupid.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47646095)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 1:59 PM
Author: gold french chef giraffe

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645318)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:24 PM
Author: Passionate mexican

I liquidated my IRA in my late 20s and used it to travel the world. Not flame. Paid the penalty

Don't regret it even one bit and would do it again

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645405)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:44 PM
Author: Well-lubricated histrionic dopamine

How much?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645478)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:49 PM
Author: Passionate mexican

It wasn't a lot it was like 50

For some reason I started contributing to a new one again in my 30s I stopped now but now that money is stuck in there forever and I'll never see it unless I pay the penalty again. I'm retarded

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645501)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 4:22 PM
Author: Well-lubricated histrionic dopamine

It doesn’t matter there’s going to be a massive rugpull and people will get press ganged into militias

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645823)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:30 PM
Author: Pearl curious toilet seat bawdyhouse

can you use an IRA to secure a LOC? maybe not a great idea now but if you could get a great rate being that the LOC is 100% secured during the low interest days that seems preferrable to taking the 10% penalty and taxes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645417)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:36 PM
Author: honey-headed bateful mad-dog skullcap

IIRC the interest you pay on a traditional IRA LOC is paid to yourself as an after-tax contribution?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645440)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 2:44 PM
Author: Pearl curious toilet seat bawdyhouse

i meant using the assets in an IRA as security for a separate LOC, but a quick google search would have told me that's a prohibited transaction.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645476)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:20 AM
Author: Brass dingle berry shrine

I don’t think you can because of federal anti spendthrift rules. Certainly cannot with a 401k. My guess is that even if not explicitly prohibited it would trigger income recognition on the account.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47647266)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 4:30 PM
Author: talking half-breed

spaceporn could just go ahead and retire, no penalty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645845)



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Date: May 8th, 2024 4:33 PM
Author: Carnelian parlor cuck

u stoopid faggot u dont have to take the entire amount out, just keep it in the IRA tax free and each year take out whatever u need faggot, if ur gains that year are anything it prob covers the 10% on teh amount u take out

FAGGOTS

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47645855)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:09 AM
Author: orange drunken immigrant den

fuck u chink

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47647253)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:15 AM
Author: offensive black telephone

FYI you can avoid the penalty if you take substantially equal periodic payments.

https://www.irs.gov/retirement-plans/substantially-equal-periodic-payments

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526420&forum_id=2#47647262)