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Anyone else know guys who turned super beta/lib after marriage and kids?

Been catching up with an old friend the past few days who ma...
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I hope that faggot dies
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most american "men" esp birdshits are beta as shit...
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Appetizing Orchestra Pit Coffee Pot
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onyx insane rehab nowag
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I red pilled all my bros and told them to keep their bitches...
Appetizing Orchestra Pit Coffee Pot
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What do you do to keep bitches in check?
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OP, how do you square this with voters becoming much more Re...
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1. i would guess that pattern doesn't hold true in our socie...
spectacular vengeful resort
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honestly never seen this at all, of my friend group the unma...
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interesting. i have overwhelmingly seen the pattern fall the...
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yeah I believe your estimation of this individual guy, but e...
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Date: May 9th, 2024 7:10 PM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

Been catching up with an old friend the past few days who married a shrew older than him (he's late 30s she's 40) and they had their first kid a couple years ago

He was never a "super based" "right wing bro" or anything - he's a quintessential cowgod Engineer guy. But he was always reasonably masculine, logical, practical, libertarian-leaning, typical white guy with 130+ IQ (he's pretty smart, and very successful in his professional field)

He has morphed into more or less a typical normie lib NPC. Really worked up on lib media faux-issues, upset about Trump (???), and most noteworthy has become totally "beta" in his worldview. Incredibly focused on "safety" in all contexts. Weirdly aggressively dismissive of any unorthodox opinions and views in the same sort of inappropriately self-righteous way that urbanite libs are, even on topics he doesn't know anything about

I've run into the same phenomenon with several guys I've known in my life: after they've gotten married and had kids, they've warped into a normie lib NPC beta. Some worse than others. But it's a complete psychological, almost spiritual shift in orientation, not some kind of limited "political views" thing

I'm familiar with The Science on men's T levels collapsing post-kids, but I feel like this can't possibly be a comprehensive explanation. It really feels like their whole psychological and spiritual mindset shifts to an orientation where they are unconsciously trying to be as normie and "safe" as possible to socially fit in and thus protect their wife and kids. Like some kind of animal that sheds its previous existence as an individual male actor in the world in favor of becoming a eusocial insect under the protection of the hive

I dunno. It's really weird and striking. And I've pretty much lost all respect for him. He's just not an interesting or "real" person anymore, and people who are not interesting and have no character of their own are not people

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649251)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:14 PM
Author: Beta University Toaster

Ive noticed the same thing. It's really weird and depressing.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649381)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 10:40 AM
Author: amber property



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:16 PM
Author: provocative red keepsake machete spot

I don't really know anyone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649384)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:41 PM
Author: erotic rough-skinned volcanic crater pistol



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:45 PM
Author: orchid center hunting ground



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:36 AM
Author: Vibrant tan generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649823)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 10:46 AM
Author: Curious Big-titted Knife



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Date: May 10th, 2024 3:56 PM
Author: irradiated massive stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47651334)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:34 AM
Author: tripping hateful sound barrier ceo



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:22 PM
Author: Cracking step-uncle's house

I've noticed this too. Frankly it's hard to be an independent thinker in 2024. Women control the dating market and men are subconsciously subservient if they find one willing to marry and have kids with them; work is a politically correct minefield and you always have to Say The Right Things Or Else; the Algorithms feed you exactly what they want you to see and vigorously remove content they deem Dangerous; and Successful Men are most often those who are rewarded for playing by these rules, not the ones that buck them. So there is a financial incentive to stay in line.

With this backdrop and the stresses of life as you reach 40 men just go into auto pilot at some point.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649397)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:23 PM
Author: Beta University Toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649400)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 9:25 PM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

yeah, completely agreed

i think it's actually Rational of them to act this way. it's just depressing and gross

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649512)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 11:57 PM
Author: Purple State



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649759)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 4:13 PM
Author: Free-loading Poppy Locale



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47651392)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:32 PM
Author: Slap-happy gold sweet tailpipe

daniel tosh

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649411)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 3:57 PM
Author: irradiated massive stage

I hope that faggot dies

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47651336)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:42 PM
Author: Bateful Bright Alpha Toilet Seat

They were always lame and just pretending to get themselves a seat on the marriage throne so they can go on pretending that they have a self and a purpose. This is what all “normal” people do afaict.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649424)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:45 PM
Author: orchid center hunting ground



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649431)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:50 PM
Author: Beta University Toaster

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649442)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:46 PM
Author: orchid center hunting ground

he's pretty smart, and very successful in his professional field tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649435)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:51 PM
Author: Underhanded Hominid

nigga got longhoused

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649443)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 9:25 PM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649514)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 11:57 PM
Author: Purple State



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649760)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:36 AM
Author: Vibrant tan generalized bond



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649824)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 3:56 PM
Author: irradiated massive stage



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47651335)



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Date: May 9th, 2024 8:51 PM
Author: Galvanic deranged gaming laptop

Is he purely a PC gamer? Any Consoles?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649444)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:56 AM
Author: Sinister Mad-dog Skullcap Messiness



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649854)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:59 AM
Author: mind-boggling charcoal wrinkle

Not after having kids, but yes after having a dog and no kids

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649858)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 1:59 AM
Author: onyx insane rehab nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649909)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 2:08 AM
Author: fragrant impertinent parlor wagecucks

most american "men" esp birdshits are beta as shit, from day one they are under the control of jews and feminazis, its truly wild to see

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649914)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 2:14 AM
Author: Appetizing Orchestra Pit Coffee Pot

I will arm wrestle you any day

I bet you have no grip strength and weak arms

Weak ass turdshit bitch

Fight me

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649916)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 5:15 AM
Author: onyx insane rehab nowag

Lol indian "men" are the most dominated cucks when they get married not even close

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649979)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 2:11 AM
Author: Appetizing Orchestra Pit Coffee Pot

I red pilled all my bros and told them to keep their bitches in check

If you have cucky beta friends that says something about you

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47649915)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 7:28 AM
Author: Buck-toothed clear karate french chef

What do you do to keep bitches in check?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650043)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 8:20 AM
Author: onyx insane rehab nowag

Cq

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650077)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:31 PM
Author: sable comical cruise ship ape

Make her make money for you on a webcam site - Andrew Tate has a good video series about this called "Hustler's University"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650624)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:34 AM
Author: Appetizing Orchestra Pit Coffee Pot

Be alpha

It’s not a behavioral program, it’s a way of being

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47660450)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 7:27 AM
Author: Buck-toothed clear karate french chef

OP, how do you square this with voters becoming much more Republican on average after getting married? Not saying you're wrong.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650040)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 10:43 AM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

1. i would guess that pattern doesn't hold true in our society anymore. that statistical trend is an artifact of the past. our society has changed in enormous ways in the past decade

2. this kind of change really isn't a partisan "politics" thing. i may not have explained it very well in my post, but for example, this individual in particular still strongly *sees himself* as a "conservative" guy and he lives in a very "conservative" area of the country. the change has been to his fundamental capital n Nature. this does line up with him (unconsciously?) beginning to toe the normielib party line on various things, but i believe that's downstream from the fundamental psychological and spiritual shift that's occurring first and separately

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650383)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 9:31 AM
Author: Dark Trip Dilemma Antidepressant Drug

honestly never seen this at all, of my friend group the unmarrieds are the milady reddit lib types - although I think there's a chicken/egg thing here.

also remember that what you're describing in OP is a totally subjective judgment which certain people are primed to believe is true and certain people are primed to believe is false so ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650175)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 10:35 AM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

interesting. i have overwhelmingly seen the pattern fall the way i describe, even anecdotally from others i know

i mean, ok bro, lol. the complete change in demeanor, personality, speech and physiological patterns, etc is impossible to deny. i'm a smart guy i'm not imagining this. and from the looks of this thread i'm not alone

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650368)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 10:46 AM
Author: Dark Trip Dilemma Antidepressant Drug

yeah I believe your estimation of this individual guy, but extrapolating that out to a rule or pattern is where the subjectivity comes in

in other words, we as humans are very susceptible to tossing out inconvenient data points etc, when we make these kinds of informal estimations.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650388)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 1:13 PM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

Hmmmm I don’t think you can trick me with this wishy washy faux scientific language friend

Actually I think guys like this are in fact going through a real transformation into cucked betatude and it’s as simple as that. Why and how is another question, but it’s definitely real

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650793)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:19 PM
Author: seedy travel guidebook space

Yes good friend from HS was right wing and pretty based through college. Very high IQ engineer/math guy. He moved to lib city and met lib gf, now wife, and turned into an utter lib beta. He defers to his wife on everything and went vegan because she wanted to. She's the type who will lecture you on how bad meat is for the environment one minute and talk about her upcoming trip to Bali the next (20hr+ flight that probably offsets an entire lifetime of eating vegan). Even when we're alone together now he'll bring up lib talking points like colonialism and white privilege. It's brutal.

He's not the only one but def the worst

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650574)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:30 PM
Author: Beta University Toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650618)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:24 PM
Author: contagious fuchsia sandwich station

Divorced conservative friend married a leftist and became PW to the point that he underwent a conversion to super progressivism. She fucked and sucked his brains out.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650593)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:36 PM
Author: Beta University Toaster



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650638)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 3:54 PM
Author: ocher electric lodge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSMM6z8_kxg

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47651325)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 5:44 PM
Author: contagious fuchsia sandwich station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47651683)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:36 PM
Author: ocher electric lodge

yes, my older brother.

he's like not even sentient anymore -- literally no autonomy, agency or free will/volition

my sister-in-law turned him into a spineless cuck king that just bobbles his head like a cucked out bobblehead during seasonal family outings or thanksgiving (or rather, when my sister-in-law allows him because her "social life" is basically a black hole)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650640)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:37 PM
Author: Cracking step-uncle's house

"spineless cuck king that just bobbles his head"

nice of TDNW to introduce his younger brother to the site

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650648)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 12:37 PM
Author: Maroon stubborn institution

you lose all your life force after marriage. also you said late 30s. lots of doods over that time period became lib for one reason or another even without getting married. it was painful to watch but it wasnt entirely marriage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650646)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 1:11 PM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

Yeah I think you’re right. I think guys who are naturally beta end up doubling down on that identity when they get older because their unconscious minds can no longer draw on the plausible deniability that they might actually be somewhat alpha due to the strength and vitality of youth

When you’re a feeble weak screencucked dork with a fugly wife, you enter turbo cope mode where your brain is desperately searching for a justification for why the way you are is actually good and desirable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650779)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 1:25 PM
Author: Maroon stubborn institution

getting into one of those last minute millennial marriages seems legitimately traumatizing. its better to be a frog boiled in water and have some control over the women's insanity over a long period of time. sort of like compound interest it adds up. i think a lot of those dudes are just in it for the kids and write themselves off as martyrs. well see what unfolds.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650836)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 1:37 PM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

Completely agreed. I can’t believe I was still seriously considering marriage and kids as recently as a year ago

Actually insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650879)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 1:40 PM
Author: irradiated massive stage

The point of marriage is to have a family and kids

Your fixation on feelings and self image is obscenely gay and jewish

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47650903)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 7:24 AM
Author: onyx insane rehab nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47659876)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:01 AM
Author: sable comical cruise ship ape



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47660359)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 3:50 PM
Author: outnumbered adventurous theater mad cow disease

None of my friends have become libfags. I can’t relate to any of this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47651312)



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Date: May 10th, 2024 6:37 PM
Author: At-the-ready idiot voyeur

Instances like this are literally 100% due to testosterone levels and nothing else

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47651780)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:54 AM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

i'm not buying it

consensus is a mix of it's due to the wife and the guy was always intrinsically a beta loser but it took a while to come to the surface

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5526951&forum_id=2#47660334)



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Date: May 14th, 2024 10:53 AM
Author: spectacular vengeful resort

https://twitter.com/GoySuperstar/status/1790170042551922970

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Date: May 14th, 2024 11:00 AM
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