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Date: February 16th, 2020 12:59 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef

This all began innocently enough. Spaceporn made a bunch of annoying threads while high that made people question his conduct as a father. This went on for years. A lot of people were obviously annoyed by it, combined with the fact that he's a racist shitlib. But that's as far as it went -- he was in a category with prince, for instance, of people generally considered weird but not "such anathema" to us or w/e. He even had people defending him for "creating content" or whatever.

Then one of his detractors (spaceporn believes it was kenny using an alt) lit the fuse that set this whole thing in motion. In an effort to get spaceporn to quit the board and stop making dumb threads, this pumo promised to rape spaceporn's adopted child unless spaceporn quit the board.

Certainly an unkind threat, but lacking any hallmarks of credibility. Spaceporn's reaction took the mistakes made by colt and amplified them 1,000%, and we see the results today. Spaceporn began threatening lawsuits against kenny and later PN. Instead of ignoring (or even issuing simple condemnations to) the rape threader, Spaceporn stoked the fire in a Barbra Streisand esque ass-showing, flooding the board with legal threats and personal attacks.

Observers rightfully wondered WHY spaceporn was in such a fury about some impolite pumo. Even colt's childish overreaction was contained within the threads of others and targeted only a few group 2 representatives, and then he switched to an alt or retired. Spaceporn's hissy fit was a tidal wave.

Then people began searching.

And oh, what they found. It became clear that spaceporn had been molesting his adopted son for years, and the notion that some esoteric "other" might do the same thing put him in a berserk defensive posture. He began to shitmod threads making any reference to him, including threads he started himself. Any advocates he had before this debacle were lost, replaced by a number of personalities who now delight in mocking spaceporn's heinous sin, in any thread that he posts in.

Spaceporn thought he could flip public opinion by traversing his sights from kenny onto Peter North, a former board pariah but current board darling, and the strategy backfired immensely. Spaceporn is now the most hated poaster on autoadmit. Why does he not just retire or turn himself in to authorities? The shitlib mental illness has taken him by the root.



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Date: August 18th, 2020 1:47 AM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#40772305)



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Date: August 18th, 2020 1:52 AM
Author: Drunken garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#40772321)



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Date: August 18th, 2020 2:12 AM
Author: citrine reading party



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#40772358)



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Date: October 6th, 2020 1:35 AM
Author: Ivory Boyish Stain Field

oh, what they found!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#41055881)



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Date: March 10th, 2022 9:50 AM
Author: tan awkward filthpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44121705)



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Date: November 3rd, 2020 12:10 AM
Author: multi-colored amethyst school pervert



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#41249052)



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Date: November 3rd, 2020 9:19 AM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#41251019)



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Date: November 21st, 2020 4:34 PM
Author: Ivory Boyish Stain Field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#41411285)



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Date: December 27th, 2020 7:01 PM
Author: Hideous Heady Area Shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#41626283)



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Date: December 27th, 2020 7:03 PM
Author: Ivory Boyish Stain Field



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#41626302)



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Date: December 29th, 2020 9:22 AM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#41636193)



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Date: December 29th, 2020 8:04 PM
Author: Insecure church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#41640458)



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Date: March 4th, 2021 8:39 PM
Author: Drunken garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#42050456)



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Date: March 5th, 2021 3:45 AM
Author: deep light son of senegal nursing home



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#42051926)



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Date: January 13th, 2022 11:32 AM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#43776971)



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Date: January 13th, 2022 11:38 AM
Author: Flirting sapphire crotch water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#43777018)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 1:46 PM
Author: odious slippery therapy gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44010226)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 3:12 PM
Author: Flirting sapphire crotch water buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44010705)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 6:08 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44011791)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 6:18 PM
Author: hot dashing elastic band

Have you started practicing law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44011870)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 6:29 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef

Yes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44011966)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 6:32 PM
Author: hot dashing elastic band

Good. So don't defame or harass someone else who has been in your shoes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44011986)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 6:38 PM
Author: at-the-ready stock car orchestra pit

To be honest with you, "Yes, your honor, I post on a racist chat blog as 'spaceporn' but I would like to claim defamation of my good character. Yes, I am a real lawyer."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44012039)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 6:52 PM
Author: hot dashing elastic band

I could respond substantively to your point but you aren’t a lawyer and are merely butting in

I

don’t wish to push matters into rank legal discussion especially after hours. I’ve just asked Wilbur to chill, at least as to me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44012134)



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Date: February 22nd, 2022 8:10 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef

I didn't bump the thread in a spirit of ill will, I bumped in appreciation of the quotemo who bumped this OP. It's a great OP that I'm justifiably proud of that I've had to fight to keep accessible. That being said, you have not been in my shoes at all

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44012662)



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Date: March 1st, 2022 8:45 PM
Author: snowy bespoke shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44064206)



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Date: March 5th, 2022 9:17 PM
Author: Spectacular nowag



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44092830)



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Date: April 2nd, 2022 8:36 PM
Author: odious slippery therapy gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44267793)



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Date: July 8th, 2022 6:17 AM
Author: Territorial Center Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44814470)



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Date: July 8th, 2022 6:21 AM
Author: Erotic Temple Internal Respiration



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44814477)



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Date: July 8th, 2022 7:22 AM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44814533)



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Date: July 30th, 2022 6:18 PM
Author: histrionic navy hall psychic



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44939847)



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Date: July 30th, 2022 6:28 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44939908)



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Date: August 4th, 2022 12:48 PM
Author: Avocado Razzle-dazzle Factory Reset Button

Where is the line about the "proverbial cookie jar"? Why is that missing from the text

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44962698)



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Date: August 4th, 2022 12:50 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef

From a different screed i wrote

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44962710)



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Date: August 4th, 2022 11:08 PM
Author: Avocado Razzle-dazzle Factory Reset Button

Please edit and submit new draft with revisions thank

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#44965863)



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Date: October 5th, 2022 4:17 PM
Author: odious slippery therapy gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45285390)



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Date: October 5th, 2022 4:18 PM
Author: brilliant stead



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45285394)



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Date: October 5th, 2022 4:18 PM
Author: mind-boggling wild crackhouse indirect expression

I thought you were permabanned dude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45285398)



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Date: October 5th, 2023 10:04 PM
Author: swashbuckling smoky new version pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46891297)



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Date: October 5th, 2022 4:26 PM
Author: Outnumbered indecent range wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45285437)



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Date: October 21st, 2022 11:51 AM
Author: Contagious stage chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45367717)



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Date: November 2nd, 2022 10:03 PM
Author: Mauve misanthropic background story



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45427886)



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Date: October 14th, 2023 9:12 AM
Author: swashbuckling smoky new version pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46934367)



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Date: February 25th, 2023 12:39 AM
Author: Brindle Coiffed Boistinker Ratface



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45978152)



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Date: February 25th, 2023 12:28 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45979180)



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Date: February 27th, 2023 3:31 PM
Author: odious slippery therapy gaming laptop



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#45988889)



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Date: March 8th, 2023 8:26 PM
Author: Outnumbered indecent range wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46027271)



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Date: May 2nd, 2023 11:01 AM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46260823)



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Date: May 5th, 2023 10:31 PM
Author: salmon glittery sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46275781)



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Date: May 5th, 2023 10:31 PM
Author: swashbuckling smoky new version pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46275782)



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Date: May 5th, 2023 10:33 PM
Author: Exhilarant Friendly Grandma Azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46275788)



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Date: October 3rd, 2023 10:25 AM
Author: salmon glittery sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46877468)



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Date: October 5th, 2023 10:07 PM
Author: Kink-friendly sanctuary double fault

Esoteric "other" makes the poast and is one of the great xoxo turns of phrase

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46891314)



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Date: October 7th, 2023 5:40 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46899061)



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Date: October 7th, 2023 5:41 PM
Author: Insecure church



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46899069)



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Date: October 7th, 2023 6:55 PM
Author: swashbuckling smoky new version pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46899600)



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Date: October 7th, 2023 6:59 PM
Author: curious gas station patrolman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46899614)



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Date: October 8th, 2023 8:04 AM
Author: swashbuckling smoky new version pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46901314)



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Date: October 14th, 2023 1:41 AM
Author: Chrome trump supporter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#46933863)



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Date: March 10th, 2024 1:46 PM
Author: bat shit crazy plum house people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47480592)



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Date: March 9th, 2024 10:21 AM
Author: thriller space



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47477944)



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Date: March 10th, 2024 8:35 AM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47479958)



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Date: March 10th, 2024 8:39 AM
Author: Outnumbered indecent range wrinkle



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47479961)



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Date: March 10th, 2024 1:45 PM
Author: curious gas station patrolman



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47480584)



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Date: March 10th, 2024 1:46 PM
Author: bat shit crazy plum house people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47480589)



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Date: March 10th, 2024 2:21 PM
Author: Brass library multi-billionaire



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47480757)



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Date: March 27th, 2024 7:56 PM
Author: Territorial Center Tattoo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47533252)



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Date: April 24th, 2024 3:13 PM
Author: Comical fighting newt den



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47607146)



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Date: April 24th, 2024 3:14 PM
Author: hot dashing elastic band

Trolling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47607153)



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Date: April 24th, 2024 3:24 PM
Author: Bateful lemon cruise ship

This thread doesn't tell me anything more than I already know

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47607187)



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Date: April 24th, 2024 3:24 PM
Author: hot dashing elastic band

Its all just trolling

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47607195)



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Date: April 24th, 2024 3:45 PM
Author: Comical fighting newt den

do you know what trolling refers to? many people think it refers to a "troll", but it derived from trolling in fishing, where you drag bait to catch a fish.

thus every response you give feeds the trolls. you responding to "trolling" every single time is the type of unhinged spergout people seek from you. you're giving people what they want, yet somehow you think this is some kind of pwn or something? i don't even know unless you're just being retarded on purpose. at one point i thought you were capable of that, but i've had to accept over the years you're just a really stubborn and stupid person.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47607231)



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Date: April 24th, 2024 3:47 PM
Author: hot dashing elastic band

Trolling here

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47607235)



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Date: April 24th, 2024 3:40 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47607215)



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Date: May 24th, 2024 10:26 PM
Author: Contagious stage chad



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#47689749)



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Date: December 1st, 2024 9:58 AM
Author: Drunken garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48398055)



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Date: December 1st, 2024 10:04 AM
Author: Avocado Razzle-dazzle Factory Reset Button

Thus is not the original.

I distinctly remember the original containing a line like "already had his hand in the cookie jar." That's missing from the op.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48398065)



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Date: December 1st, 2024 10:19 AM
Author: Drunken garrison

Wilbur Mercer tp was the OP, he can settle this

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48398097)



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Date: December 1st, 2024 4:27 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef

That was from a different screed, unfortunately. There was a different spaceporn deconstruction that included a remark about how he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. It was in somebody else's thread that got shitmodded years ago I believe. I wouldn't know what to search for to find it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48399170)



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Date: December 1st, 2024 8:33 PM
Author: Avocado Razzle-dazzle Factory Reset Button

LOL you're amazing, thank you for replying to this.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48399851)



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Date: December 1st, 2024 8:39 PM
Author: swashbuckling smoky new version pocket flask



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48399859)



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Date: December 1st, 2024 11:20 PM
Author: Avocado Razzle-dazzle Factory Reset Button

Ah, and thank YOU for correcting me. Proverbial, that was it.

XO is really an awesome group of guys.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48400333)



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Date: December 1st, 2024 4:29 PM
Author: salmon glittery sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48399178)



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Date: January 2nd, 2025 2:38 PM
Author: salmon glittery sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48511630)



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Date: January 2nd, 2025 2:42 PM
Author: adventurous ebony affirmative action pit

oh noes SP will never be POTUS now. πŸ™„

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48511651)



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Date: January 2nd, 2025 3:10 PM
Author: Fishy roast beef



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#48511742)



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Date: August 14th, 2025 9:19 PM
Author: Arrogant crusty masturbator



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#49186323)



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Date: August 14th, 2025 9:21 PM
Author: hot dashing elastic band

I will literally be state bar president one day. Hth. Clowns.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#49186332)



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Date: August 19th, 2025 5:13 PM
Author: salmon glittery sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#49198242)



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Date: October 6th, 2025 10:26 PM
Author: salmon glittery sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#49330756)



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Date: November 5th, 2025 10:42 PM
Author: copper doobsian base



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#49405949)



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Date: November 5th, 2025 10:48 PM
Author: hot dashing elastic band

Cernovich let’s just say I don’t want to spend the $500k to get a 5 million dollar judgment which I could easily collect.

Let’s say I asked any number of groups for litigation funding. What’s stopping me.

For once don’t be cheap. Consult w ur counsel if u are not otherwise ashamed of yourself.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#49405969)



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Date: November 5th, 2025 10:47 PM
Author: salmon glittery sex offender



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#49405966)



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Date: November 12th, 2025 8:21 PM
Author: Chris Spinelli did WHAT to that kid?!?!



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4446581&forum_id=2#49424789)