What's definitive explanation for why there's so much support for Palestine?
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Date: December 6th, 2023 11:36 AM Author: coiffed heaven
i honestly don't get it. i was a semi-lib back in 2008, and I don't think there would be this much support for palestine or hatred of jews.
does it mainly have to do with demographic change in america over the last 15 years?
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Date: December 6th, 2023 5:16 PM Author: insanely creepy liquid oxygen
what? why does this have so many bumps?
1) are you denying that palestinians have been exploited by israel with permission from the american taxpayer?
2) have you paid any attention to the atrocities israel is committing? how are they not the "bad" actor in this situation?
3) literally no one has suggested israel is white, if anything the focus has been on the jewish (zionist) part of their identity
this is a lazy explanation that hasn't woken up to the fact that thanks to social media, people are seeing things for the first time and have instinctively identified right from wrong.
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Date: December 6th, 2023 5:37 PM Author: Dull comical gunner
1. What does exploited mean? There have been terrible people and terrible actions on both sides, but only one side is an established western democracy.
2. There are several types of conduct to be considered. Israel's conduct in the West Bank under Netanyahu has been indefensible. The war in Gaza has had horrific consequences but none of its opponents can articulate a meaningful alternative.
3. Irrelevant.
4. No question social media allows Palestinians to share the horror of effects of bombardment on civilians. On net, that has shifted the balance toward Palestine. However, Hamas presence on social media also works against them, because they're very forthcoming about their desire to murder all Jews.
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Date: December 6th, 2023 7:32 PM Author: Dull comical gunner
All reasonable points.
Given that a negotiated peace is not possible in the short term, and is not likely to work if it requires a reliable counterpart, the only hope is for Israel to be prepared to move toward peace unilaterally, following a plan designed to unfold over decades. They have to accept that this may result in marginally decreased safety in the short and possibly medium term. And they can't continue to wash their hands of responsibility for people whom they govern simply because those people are their enemies. They should advance the plan by inviting Palestinian organizations to join, but must be prepared to carry it out completely unilaterally to the extent possible if necessary.
I am not a MFE on every single issue relating to the conflict, but they need to come up with a schedule of carrots and sticks that will progress over a long enough time that incremental improvements to Palestinian independence and QOL will not jeopardize Israel's safety overnight. The ultimate goal should be a two state solution with Palestinian sovereignty in Gaza and the West Bank, with shared control over east Jerusalem and Jewish access to the holy sites in the West Bank. The time frame could be something like fifty years.
I am skeptical that this is possible, but I think it's the only way to get past the issues of dealing with representatives on the Palistinian side who are by definition the most bloodthirsty and very likely the most corrupt.
I don't think the current conflict is helping, obviously, but I don't see much choice. And I think Israel is really shooting themselves in the foot in the West Bank. Netanyahu needs to go, and if the sim writers have any commitment to reality, he will be gone within a few months. Hopefully the next government will be able to undo some of the damage he's done.
Re defense contractors, I think it's a huge problem in the US, and I'm open to the possibility that it's a driver a violence in Israel, but I am inclined to assume Israel is different. Most of their weapons are not from Israel so the influence pipeline would operate totally differently. And they're a much more cohesive society than the US and everyone's kids are in the army, so it's less likely that people manipulate public opinion on war simply to profit.
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Date: December 6th, 2023 11:38 AM Author: pea-brained space
Non whites are steeped in instersectinality and they’re too dumb to understand the “nuance” that Jews aren’t white despite their privilege because of the Holocaust
Whites increasingly hate Jews because of what Jews did to this country
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Date: December 6th, 2023 11:47 AM Author: fragrant telephone
Muds hate whites at a visceral, primal level. They aren't smart enough to realize Shlomo isn't just another "white" and he's supposed to get an unprincipled carve out to do all the things his tribe rails against the goyim for doing.
Simple as.
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Date: December 6th, 2023 12:26 PM Author: Vibrant federal temple
Good question OP and a terrible set of wrong and incoherent responses ITT. The short answer is that Obama opened space for this with his entire foreign policy schtick and his team was always way left of the DC consensus on Israel. Fucking Ben Rhodes did an event with the 2020 Dem candidates where he tried to get them to pledge to condition aid to Israel on a complete halt of any settlement build out in the West Bank. Obama himself treated his obvious pro-Palestinian sympathies like he treated his 20 years sitting in the pews in Jeremiah Wright’s church, ie move along, nothing to see here. But he was always winking at the pro-Palestinian side and staffed his administration with people that advocated an approach to Palestine that was more hostile to especially the right wing of Israeli politics, and they made no secret of their hatred for Netanyahu. That was the key movement of the Overton window on the Dem side that allowed the full blown Israel-hating campus activists space to try to push things further in the direction or anti-Zionism.
Still though, the last two months have been another big step in that direction. The one that blew me away lately was Dean Phillips, a literal Jew, who is running against Biden and started out trying to get to his right on Israel, but has since started saying Bibi is the problem and has to go now, and he would condition aid on no settlement activity after the war in Gaza is over, like conditioning aid on no settlements is the mainstream Dem position now. It’s really encouraging, because there will of course be space on the more isolationist side for the GOP once Netanyahu-semen-addicted Trump is no longer the leader of the GOP, potentially as soon as 13 months from now.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47139756) |
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Date: December 6th, 2023 6:51 PM Author: slate mewling box office people who are hurt
To be fair,
lol cr
"This viewpoint is so crazy and odious and horrible that if it even gets the tiniest bit of airtime, it immediately EXPLODES IN POPULARITY ACROSS ALL DEMOGRAPHICS UNDER ~50. That's why we have to spend countless hours and billions of dollars every year to keep it hidden away from public view!"
Haha yeah, you know, "the hallmark" of any totally crazy and odious and horrible viewpoint. Classic. People of all races and ages and backgrounds just can't get enough of totally crazy and odious and horrible viewpoints!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47141570) |
Date: December 6th, 2023 12:52 PM Author: supple light coffee pot station
Media coverage has shifted such that it isn't 100% controlled by the Israel lobby. So people have gotten to see a more complete version of the situation in recent years including the Palestinian perspective. The Palestinians have been humanized in a way that it is no longer justifiable to most people for them to be murdered en masse.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47139911)
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Date: December 6th, 2023 1:15 PM Author: flatulent hell
It is the direct result of large scale immigration from the second and third world to america.
America in 1950 would wholeheartedly support Israel becuase America was European descendants then.
This is what decades of non-European immigration do.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47140061) |
Date: December 6th, 2023 1:20 PM Author: odious piazza
Liberals view Israel/Jews as the ultimate white colonial power who are "oppressing brown and trans bodies" or whatever. At the end of the day, they view everything through a very elementary narrative or "oppressed" or "oppressor," where whites (they consider all Jews to be white) are the oppressor and "people of color" are the innocent noble victims oppressed by the evil whites. See, e.g., Trayvon and St. Floyd.
Shitlibs' ultimate goal is anarcho-communism. Tearing down any white power structure they can identify is a means to that end.
The irony is that they believe the poor oppressed Muslims would become shitlib allies fighting for trans rights if only they were empowered, ignoring the fact that they'd really form an Islamo-fascist state which would throw them from roofs and enslave them.
The West = fucked. I suggest learning Japanese and begging Japan to take you as a refugee.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47140083) |
Date: December 6th, 2023 1:41 PM Author: Galvanic parlor hairy legs
Every few days some Jew creates a thread like this completely incredulous that opinions are starting to shift.
Usually the first response in such threads is something like 'gtfo kike' and the tone gets set from there. ITT, looks like kikes have beaten us pattern-matchers to the punch and we have a bunch of (((us whites need to stick together))) kinds of explanations.
Jews are assholes and many people, whites included, are starting to realize this. There is also no reason to give away all this money to Israel. It makes no sense. Race doesn't even matter here. It's your hard earned money. Why would you want to give it away to fucking Israel? Beware of (((fellow whites))) types of comments, both here and in the media in general. If you are white, why does it make sense to part with your hard earned money for something that American whites didn't even do like 80 years ago?
Jews are an unhinged selfish people. It doesn't take a high iq to figure this out. This doesn't mean people like Palestinians (though some do and I don't get that either but that's a different thread). It simply means that we get to say fuck off to Israel and fuck off to Kikes and not have our careers ruined.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47140162)
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Date: December 6th, 2023 2:21 PM Author: rebellious theater
in addition to the above poaster who laid out the lib mindset playing itself out, i generally think that is true (it is hilarious to see libs turn on jews after jews more or less created this golem), but i would add that people who aren't libs (like me) look at the situation over there, and there is no way that israel comes off looking good unless you are a zionist with blinders on, which most people frankly are not.
many are saying this lately, but israel is going to have to severely change a lot of shit, or it will be in trouble in the next 10-20 years once the boomers are out.
also, in addition to the other things mentioned ITT, the MSM has less of a chokehold on information dissemination. you can see all kinds of horrid footage of civilians blown to bits on IG, twitter, etc. and that is likely shaping people's opinions.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47140426) |
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Date: December 6th, 2023 5:39 PM Author: slate mewling box office people who are hurt
To be fair,
Jews reading this: Does it bother you that a literal Neo-Nazi (me) is now making common ground with a gay and retarded fake-black race hustler over the fact that we both hate your fucking guts?
It probably doesn't. But there are a lot of people like us, with more joining the ranks every day, and therefore it should.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47141385) |
Date: December 6th, 2023 3:00 PM Author: glassy greedy persian stead
It is a bunch of things. To understand what changed, let's consider why Americans ever supported Israel. Post WW2 everyone finds out about the Holocaust and Americans support Israel as a sort of feel good exercise to what just happened. Evangelicals are also happy because they feel like this moves Revelations forward. The Cold War begins and Israel becomes a key regional US ally, so that's another angle too. Israel's wars are fast and easily won. Everyone likes to back a winner. For the remainder of the Cold War there's basically no real opposition to Israel, except for minor points that get resolved (such as Israel giving back the Sinai Peninsula). The Cold War ends and things change. Israel becomes a simple cash cow for the MIC. The US has had open borders for a while now, and the flood continues. The new migrants don't care about Israel at all. But for a while, the US is massively anti-Muslim because 9/11 happens and the subsequent wars. These die down. Eventually, things like YouTube show up, and vids appear showing Israelis spitting on nuns and shit. Israel's wars become shittier, longer and with worse results (Lebanon in 2006). Democrats start questioning supporting Israel because they're increasingly reliant on new migrants, including Muslims. In the new era of wokeness, Jews fall into the category with whites and Asians, not blacks and Hispanics. Young Republicans increasingly notice that Jews in the US are very liberal and those that aren't still often hate Trump and their brand of conservatism. So here we are today. Both sides are seeing huge declines in support for Israel and it is only going to keep going.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47140705) |
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Date: December 6th, 2023 7:01 PM Author: slate mewling box office people who are hurt
To be fair,
WTF are you talking about?
Right this minute, NF literally has >55k subs on his personal Telegram channel, and I don't even sub him on that platform even though I support him (I'm sure I'm not alone in that btw, which means that this sub count almost certainly drastically underrepresents his actual level of support on Telegram). Even that one single data point is sufficient to blow your claim here out of the water, and IIRC his follower count has almost doubled in the last year and is continuing to steadily climb.
Incidentally and not coincidentally, the "America First" wing of the modern GOP (of which NF is a card-carrying founding member) is now EXPONENTIALLY more popular with the base and also probably more politically powerful in Washington than the Neo-Con "Romney/Dubya" GOPe wing. That shift in the power balance between those two warring factions is only going to speed up from here, and NF will increasingly serve as one of the public faces of the "America First" wing as Zoomers become a larger and larger force on the national political stage.
Tick tock.
Are you Jewish, btw?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47141607) |
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Date: December 7th, 2023 4:10 PM Author: slate mewling box office people who are hurt
To be fair,
Oh wow, retarded midwit bitches love to follow makeup channels. Nevermind, I take it back you weren't demonstrably and provably wrong in your assessment of NF, after all!
Also I love how these "check the follower count retard" arguments always get invoked by Jews to "prove" that ackkkkshually no one gives a fuck about the alt right and white nationalists... but somehow, I'm just a "gay Elon dickrider" and a "pathetic copium huffing retard" when I point out that Elon has 150+ million Twitter followers to whom he now regularly pumps out anti-ADL, anti-kike, black-crime-aware shitpoasts.
"Lol who cares, Elon sucks and no one even likes him anymore or gives a shit what he thinks, imagine thinking any of that matters, keep sucking his dick," the Jew retorts... before sneeringly adding, "Btw I know a girl with 250,000 followers for her makeup channel, this proves that NF is a nobody and a loser, I mean just compare their follower counts!"
Almost as if...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47144897) |
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Date: December 7th, 2023 8:37 PM Author: slate mewling box office people who are hurt
To be fair,
"People like Fuentes will never matter!"
NF literally -- literally -- invented the modern iteration of the "America First" motto/brand and popularized it, and it's now arguably a more widely popular political banner on the right than the Romney/Dubya Neo-Con brand that was the ONLY game in town on the GOP less than 15 years ago. And when I say that, I'm not including mainstream MAGA in the "American First" camp, I'm literally only limiting it to the HARD RIGHT nationalist faction that totally embraces Christian Nationalism and flirts with White Nationalism. At this point, I think even under that much narrower definition, "America First" is still more popular than Romney/Dubya Neo-Cons in 2023. That's an absolutely unbelievable development that no one would have predicted in 2012.
BTW, NF is still only 25 years old.
You seem very retarded and very Jewish, btw.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47145556) |
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Date: December 6th, 2023 5:34 PM Author: Galvanic parlor hairy legs
Tribalism would be what jews are doing - where jews support each other no matter what. On the other side you have a motley group of muds, muslims, white libs, white nazis, white paleo-cons, arabs, asians, blacks, gays, etc. That's not tribalism. That's just standing up against what is wrong.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47141369) |
Date: December 6th, 2023 5:43 PM Author: slate mewling box office people who are hurt
To be fair,
If I were a Jew, reading threads like this + YT Comments + IG Comments would have me FREAKING THE FUCK OUT.
Like Star of David yarmulke in full-on spin mode, SCREAMING at Moishe over the walkie-talkie to SHUT IT ALL THE FUCK DOWN RIGHT NOW.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47141399) |
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Date: December 6th, 2023 8:28 PM Author: slate mewling box office people who are hurt
To be fair,
Israel didn't really "cultivate" these guys as allies, so much as they begrudgingly accepted that they were the subpopulation within America that was most likely to furiously suck Israel's dick and swallow as much Jew cum as they could possibly stomach.
Israel and Jews in general have always despised White Goy American Evangelicals, and as often as not they were pretty blatant about their feelings on the matter and didn't even bother to put too much lipstick on that pig.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47141814) |
Date: December 7th, 2023 10:47 AM Author: Sooty nudist locus
Jews = wealthy light skin, Palestinians = poor brown skin.
Hence, Jews = white oppressors.
Jews are used to playing victim & now they’re getting their own anti-white propaganda used against them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5456149&forum_id=2#47143661) |
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