UBER suing LA personal injury firms for inflated medical bills, Armenian doctors
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:07 PM Author: Motley senate crotch
bootlickers pls respond:
>“The company never tried a single case it now claims was fraudulent,” the law firm said. “If Uber truly believed these claims were meritless, it had every opportunity to take them to trial. It chose not to.”
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120107)
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Date: July 21st, 2025 9:09 PM Author: Motley senate crotch
emrani is one of the defendants:
DOWNTOWN LA LAW GROUP,
IGOR FRADKIN, THE LAW
OFFICES OF JACOB EMRANI,
JACOB EMRANI, GSK SPINE, GREG
KHOUNGANIAN, and RADIANCE
SURGERY CENTER
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120113) |
Date: July 21st, 2025 9:12 PM Author: Motley senate crotch
2. Unscrupulous personal injury attorneys and corrupt medical providers
in the Los Angeles area are engaged in this fraud scheme. The lawyers direct
claimants to pre-selected medical providers to receive procedures for minor or nonexistent injuries. Following unnecessary and/or causally unrelated treatment, certain
providers generate and submit artificially inflated bills for such treatment. These bills
are issued on a lien basis.
Rather than using claimants’ own medical insurance for
treatment, the claimants instead enter into lien agreements with the medical
providers, which grant such providers a lien on recoveries from the claim and purport
to promise full payment to the medical providers in the event of a shortfall in
recovery. Such arrangements are shams. In reality, the claimants’ lawyers and certain
medical providers secretly enter into side agreements under which the medical
providers agree to substantially discount their bills in the event that the recovery is
insufficient to pay the artificially inflated medical bills. Because the side agreements
are concealed, the medical bills are false and misleading. The bills are then utilized
as the basis for a false and artificially inflated damages claim.
3. The secret side agreement functions as a kickback. In exchange for a
steady supply of claimants from the lawyers, certain medical providers agree to
surrender their lien rights. The lawyers profit because they receive priority recovery
of their fees and other costs. The medical providers profit because when a claimant
has a successful claim, the providers recover on most or all of their artificiallyinflated bills. And the lawyers and medical providers walk away with larger
recoveries than their personal injury clients.
4. Claimants are passed along to medical provider scheme participants
without regard to their need for actual medical treatment. Lawyers send claimants
with no or negligible injuries caused by the purported underlying accidents to the
medical providers with the foreknowledge that the medical providers will
recommend and deliver a variety of unnecessary medical treatments including
surgery, and will thereafter submit an artificially inflated bill, and/or recommend
future surgeries with artificially inflated estimated fees. As such, it is routine for the
medical providers to produce fraudulent documents diagnosing non-existent or
exaggerated injuries, falsely linking these injuries causally to the accidents and then
proposing and performing costly, invasive, and/or unnecessary surgeries. Together
with the artificially inflated resulting bills, the attorneys use these fraudulent
documents and unnecessary treatments as a basis for fraudulent lawsuits and/or
claims for damages.
5. Because of such overtreatment and inflated liens held on the recovery
by the various medical providers involved, the claimants themselves commonly walk
away with relatively minimal recovery compared to the fees that the lawyers and
medical providers receive.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120122) |
Date: July 21st, 2025 9:17 PM Author: Motley senate crotch
this BU BU BUT THE PLAINTIFFS HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE argument is utterly retarded:
>25. Many of Fradkin’s and Emrani’s clients actually have health insurance.
But to maximize their eventual recovery in their fraudulent lawsuits, Fradkin and
Emrani steer these claimants away from medical providers who would bill their
health insurance. Instead, these claimants are directed to specified medical providers,
selected by the attorneys, who bill on a lien basis pursuant to a kickback scheme, in
which certain medical providers agree to surrender their lien rights in exchange for a
steady supply of claimants from the lawyers. These medical providers, including
Khounganian and/or Radiance Surgery Center, require claimants to sign lien
agreements under which the claimants agree to pay the providers from recoveries on
their claims.
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so the plaintiffs rationally chose to engage in a process that gets them more money in their pockets? maybe that bc their insurance carrier would screw them
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120150) |
Date: July 21st, 2025 9:19 PM Author: Motley senate crotch
this BU BU BUT THE LAWYERS & DOCS MAKE MORE THAN THE PLAINTIFFS argument is also utterly retarded
>bills, so the lawyers can (i) falsely claim credit for obtaining a discount on their bill
and (ii) deliver a minimal recovery to clients to preserve their ability to attract more
clients in the future.
29. In exchange for secretly agreeing to discount their bills, the medical
providers receive a steady stream of referrals from the lawyers. The arrangement is a
kickback scheme.
30. Because of the liens that Khounganian and other providers hold on their
recoveries, the claimants see little financial recovery from the fraudulent cases
relative to the high payouts that the attorneys, Khounganian, and other providers
receive.
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note they dont say the plaintiffs would be better off not hiring a lawyer and trusting their insurance company to act in good faith to fully compensate them.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120157) |
Date: July 21st, 2025 10:03 PM Author: black bipolar friendly grandma lodge
California code on economic damages failed to contemplate that Medi-Cal would adjust every bill downward by 90-95%
Also insurance adjusters are assholes when clients treat through their own health insurance. They ALWAYS offer shit even with the same exact treatment because they know that the providers aren't testifying at trial and because they're huge assholes.
Asshole carriers and adjusters are the ONLY reason that the SoCal lien provider cottage industry is the biggest medical enterprise in the world
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120254) |
Date: July 21st, 2025 10:56 PM Author: Motley senate crotch
does uber self insure? wouldnt they have insurance policies? idg this suit in the first place
theyre not suffering damage from having to pay out allegedly inflated claims unless theyre self insuring
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120406) |
Date: July 22nd, 2025 7:37 AM Author: Diverse bull headed ticket booth
if Uber isnt trying to set aside the settlement in all these cases they are alleging fraud in then this should be thrown out.
a defendant going along with the "fraud" and failing to contest it in the original case seems fatal to a secondary tertiary case about the fraud itself.
a judgment can be vacated on the discovery of fraud in the underlying proceeding but you have to submit an affidavit explaining how you discovered it, how it affected the case, why you couldn't have known about it before, etc. not sure what the standard is for settlements but its probably similar. how does Uber explain that it "didn't know" about how the PI system worked when it settled all these cases.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120806)
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 7:48 AM Author: Motley senate crotch
cr, but tl;dr:
>“The company never tried a single case it now claims was fraudulent,” the law firm said. “If Uber truly believed these claims were meritless, it had every opportunity to take them to trial. It chose not to.”
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49120824)
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:11 AM Author: Histrionic Puppy
Uber for years refused to try cases in LA allegedly because they didn’t want any rulings on the driver relationship with the company.
They tried one as a test case last year as the first trial and got hit for 10 million or so.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121232) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2025 10:35 AM Author: Histrionic Puppy
No clue. Me and Emrani had an email dispute a long time ago, but neither of them are very public in the plaintiff bar.
I think these guys have two things in common that made them targets:
1. They both advertise to get uber and lyft cases
2. They are both highly disliked generally amongst the defense bar
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5753124&forum_id=2#49121310) |
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