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Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:06 AM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42821144) |
Date: July 22nd, 2021 12:18 AM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42821203) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 1:13 AM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42821426) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 1:19 AM Author: Fuchsia dashing menage athletic conference flip a coin (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42821441) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 2:51 AM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42821778) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:51 AM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42822872) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 2:03 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42823914) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:41 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826776) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:43 PM Author: comical charcoal cuckold are you giving up a potential bonus? dont switch.
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:49 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor not on track to meet hours, not enough work (one major reason why i want to switch), so probably no bonus. if there is a bonus at play, it's OK (probably 10-15k) --- not desperate. and this isn't biglaw. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826821) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:46 PM Author: Grizzly stubborn public bath theres no point in changing firms IMO bc they are all the same. unless you are going from a big firm to a much smaller firm or to a niche firm. but biglaw to biglaw is pointless. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826810) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:50 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor would go from really respected, small firm with great lawyers to another small, good firm that is still really respected within my niche area. probably with current firm is not enough work and zero work in my preferred practice area. i'd get almost entirely 'my kind of work' in future firm. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826833) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:51 PM Author: Grizzly stubborn public bath sounds like a good switch then (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826837) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:54 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor on paper it might look like a step down but from practice area to practice area they're pretty much peers. and i can't get any work in that area here anyway (boxed out), so what does it matter how current firm is regarded in that arena. makes sense? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826848) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 11:05 PM Author: Grizzly stubborn public bath yes it makes sense and i think you should do it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826885) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 11:17 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor ty brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826958) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:56 PM Author: lilac stirring halford crackhouse small firm to small firm?
Are you prepared for the bridge you're about to burn? |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 10:59 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor how would it burn a bridge? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42826865) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 11:37 AM Author: lilac stirring halford crackhouse You are a money-maker. Maybe not as much as the Partners, but you are still a widget that brings in revenue.
When you leave, they lose a revenue-source. If you go to a peer/competitor firm you are now helping the competition generate money at their expense.
THey aren't going to be happy. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 5:12 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor yeah, fair, but i've been told several times by firm i am not a money making---i'm breaking even. i think they're bullshitting, though. anyway, i won't be competing directly with the people i'm alongside now since it's a different practice group. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42831028) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 5:22 PM Author: lilac stirring halford crackhouse Still gonna be some uneasiness b/c you are one less Hoe walking the strip for them.
Daddy wants to get paid and he knows that he needs more Hoes out there to make his billables. |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 6:25 PM Author: slap-happy bat shit crazy dilemma place of business He needs to read doodikoff’s threads lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42836134) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 11:22 PM Author: Nofapping mint dysfunction piazza i forgot about this. it's easily the most petty shit i can remember in a long assed time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42841669) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 11:37 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor what happened? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42841766) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 9:24 PM Author: slap-happy bat shit crazy dilemma place of business the kind of shit that poaster is warning about. great poasting content. his old boss threw him under the bus at an unemployment hearing (voluntary separation but COVID allowed him to file etc), also anytime he asks for even the slightest thing he gets attitude etc. Basically he's perceived as a Slave who got too big for his britches lmao. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42846746) |
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Date: July 22nd, 2021 11:40 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42827103) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 12:57 AM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42827362) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 4:23 AM Author: insane high-end affirmative action university You havent stated any downsides, what's the issue? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42827888) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 5:11 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor pay may be slightly less and, on the whole, it isn't as preftigious (except in my single practice area). worried that leaving after a short stay (6 months) will hurt me long term. those are the downsides. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42831019) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 8:36 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor pay is slightly more at potential new firm, actually, but 100 more hours required (1700 total). sounds like they actually have the work to do, too. and potential new place offers 4 weeks paid vacation; current place offers none (just have to meet yearly hours). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42832028) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 5:12 PM Author: Wine aphrodisiac karate Your next firm will invariably be worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42831025) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 5:12 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor explain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42831030) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 9:59 AM Author: Wine aphrodisiac karate Were you stupid when you decided to work there? Probably not. Almost everyone picks the best firm they can work at. Changing firms is a sorting process where you eventually end up at a (worse) firm where you can hack it (or leave firms altogether). But while you’ll fit in, your colleagues will be worse.
Remember the Cravath bag story? It nails it.
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Date: July 24th, 2021 10:03 AM Author: Wine aphrodisiac karate Here’s the Sullivan & Cromwell Congratulations poast:
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Subject: Congratulations!
Based on your reaction to getting the offer, this is probably the best thing that could have hever appened to you. I encourage you to enjoy the summer and take accept their offer as nothing in the world will cure you of your prestige obsession quicker than some time at S&C.
During orientation, they'll give you an S&C shoulderbag and you'll wear it with the S&C logo facing outward so any other commuters in the know can see it and you'll just know that they're either impressed or envious. And that will make you happy and proud. And then you'll try to figure out the best way to ensure that you're sworn in as soon as possible after receiving your bar results because then you'll get the box full of business cards that say "Sullivan & Cromwell LLP" with your actual name underneath. You'll be giddy at the thought of casually passing one (mid-conversation) to some acquaintance from undergrad you've lost touch with.
You'll start working and you'll notice that there are an awful lot of "Farewell" emails and someone will tell you that the farewell emails can only contain 4 names at a time per firm policy because the partners decided sometime in 2004 that emails indicating 6 or 7 people were leaving the firm in a two week period might cause some unhelpful whispering. You'll talk to a midlevel associate who is super-psyched to work at S&C and you'll find out that he (not a lot of shes) lateralled from some firm that frankly you would never have considered working for (too TTT for you). When you get back to your office, this will trouble you a bit, you'll wonder if your own escutcheon is being blemished by the presence of this type of person (i.e., non-elite) at your S&C. But that feeling will pass as you'll find plenty of other like-minded first years who equally relish the prestige as you you head for a drink at Ulysses (shoulderbag logo facing outward).
Then you'll get staffed on your first big deal and you'll work late night after late night and then on the weekend and on to the next weekend and then on to the weekend when you had planned to go to a friend's wedding. And you won't go because the work has to get done and you have dues to pay (or so you'll be told). You'll get a little bit upset about this turn of events, but the arrival of those business cards will soften the blow.
You'll meet more and more laterals from firms that you would never work for (some you've never even heard of). You'll note in the farewell emails that some of the junior and midlevel associates leaving S&C are going to those very same firms. Survival of the fittest you'll say. But late at night, when the air conditioning clicks down from a barely perceptible hissing sound to complete silence, these things will bother you. But you'll tell yourself you're just tired and frustrated and anyway you have work to do.
You'll have lunch with Rodge and he'll tell you that business is good and that he's listening to associates' concerns about quality of life issues. You'll notice that some of the senior associates visibly roll their eyes at each other when this comes up, but you won't mind that much because, really, what other firm's managing partner regulalry has lunch with associates to hear their concerns (and takes notes!)
A few months will pass, a few marathon deals will happen, you'll have to re-schedule a vacation but you'll tell yourself that that is to be expected.
About a year in, a couple of your classmates will crack and start talking about how much the job sucks. They'll very likely have gone to Yale Law School. You'll joke that they couldn't hack it when they leave the firm for a clerkship, or an academic position or to go to a firm in another city.
Things will go on in this pattern and you'll notice the fact that you're working a lot harder than your friends who went to "peer" firms. At first you'll be proud of this and brag about it, but after a while you'll find yourself downplaying it. At least when you have the time to get out and socialize with your law school friends.
Something will happen: a partner will scream at you, a senior associate gunning for partner will blame you for her mistake, the partner will tell you that the trip to Europe your spouse meticulously planned just won't be able to happen (he'll be really sorry and will tell you a funny story about the exotic vacation he missed or cut short). Doesn't matter what, but you'll get really pissed and you'll start to take some of the 4 or 5 calls from headhunters that you'll receive every day at that point (vultures spell blood). They'll give you the names of firms that you laughed on in the days when you posted on the XOXO board, but you'll find yourself looking into them. The headhunter will encourage to just listen to their offer and you'll consider doing so. But you won't leave because then you'd have to give up your business cards. And stop wearing the shoulder bag. And the bonus is only x months away so you'll start thinking about it then.
Until one day you won't be able to take it any more and you'll find yourself arranging to meet with people from a lightly regarded firm for a position in their New York office. And you'll worry that the XOXO crowd will see you.
And you don't believe any of this will happen, but I suggest you print this out and keep it in the top desk of your drawer so late at night when you're feeling sorry for yourself, you can add to the list of reasons to be miserable this fact: someone told you this was going to happen and you thought that person was crazy. |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 5:12 PM Author: Wine aphrodisiac karate Your next firm will invariably be worse. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42831029) |
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Date: July 23rd, 2021 10:03 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42832436) |
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Date: July 24th, 2021 10:14 AM Author: amethyst codepig foreskin Switch if the firm you're switching to will pay you more and give you a better title. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42834053) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 6:54 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor pay is 1k more (!) and same title. better people, i think, though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42840123) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 7:18 PM Author: Walnut sexy degenerate $100k more is usually all it takes.... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42840202) |
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Date: July 25th, 2021 11:14 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42841613) |
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Date: July 26th, 2021 9:18 PM Author: Learning disabled windowlicker parlor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4883064&forum_id=2#42846729) |