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UMC Kid Haver. Kid Having Would Be Pretty Miserable As MC.

Not poor enough to get any kind of government aid, but a two...
supple ivory national
  11/04/24
100k HHI families have grandparent support. They either li...
violet genital piercing locale
  11/04/24
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laughsome crusty garrison
  11/04/24
lol @ this are country fantasy.
supple ivory national
  11/04/24
It’s true
Azure mildly autistic becky
  11/04/24
lol no. some prole 100k midwestern couple struggling with ba...
supple ivory national
  11/04/24
Yea if you want to be dirt fucking broke with no real way ou...
violet genital piercing locale
  11/04/24
thats the prole american way
supple ivory national
  11/04/24
ljl change midwest to east coast and its literally me and my...
Dark Odious Orchestra Pit Cuckold
  11/05/24
both of your numbers are very dated.
Confused fluffy property
  11/05/24
median teacher salary a lot of are country states is like 50...
supple ivory national
  11/05/24
$90K is the new $60K for office schulbs. Teachers also in m...
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Shitloads of office schlubs make 60k, like the admins at our...
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I mean actual companies, not your faggot law firm. ppl you'...
.,.,....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,..,
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Daycares in places like NYC are subsidized up to $200k a yea...
spectacular hospital
  11/04/24
And kids don't eat a lot and their clothes is cheap. A kid i...
spectacular hospital
  11/04/24
Sure if you want to plop them in front of a screen all day e...
violet genital piercing locale
  11/04/24
I was plopped in front of a screen and am a millionaire now....
spectacular hospital
  11/04/24
Does that have anything to do with the fact that mommy and d...
French senate azn
  11/04/24
He is terrible
buck-toothed cream weed whacker station
  11/04/24
That doesnt hurt but that's their money and mom aint dead. I...
spectacular hospital
  11/05/24
lol
underhanded rigor abode
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Wang Hernandez
  11/08/24
wtf this obviously isnt true lmao
laughsome crusty garrison
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supple ivory national
  11/04/24
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insecure green jap boistinker
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https://ocfs.ny.gov/programs/childcare/ccap/help.php Inco...
spectacular hospital
  11/05/24
It depends on where you live and what your expectations are....
Motley walnut base
  11/04/24
these poors are gonna have to send their kids to shitty publ...
supple ivory national
  11/04/24
if you're an indication of the quality of (((UMC people))) t...
cheddar man
  11/08/24
A 2/2 condo or apartment in a good, mostly white and Asian s...
.....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;
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I honestly can't imagine. The thing with kids is that as tw...
insecure green jap boistinker
  11/04/24
This is the stupid shit I’ve ever heard. We have 3, ze...
hideous henna prole legend
  11/05/24
poor RC? on one income, ur making 2x the dual-income HHI ...
supple ivory national
  11/05/24
dude i dont think 200k with a sahm is what op meant by "...
bistre parlor
  11/05/24
cr. not just what i meant, but literally what i said
supple ivory national
  11/05/24
I cant imagine paying tutors and activities and what not for...
underhanded rigor abode
  11/05/24
Lmao the above was true but it tweaked it. I make $90k and h...
hideous henna prole legend
  11/05/24
18000000
As far as they will go but even farther
  11/08/24
This is the life I lead.
turquoise abnormal plaza corn cake
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Yeah I don't get how they do it. At least the ones with no p...
geriatric learning disabled volcanic crater shitlib
  11/05/24
It’s expensive for 0-3 or 4. Once kids are in public s...
Motley walnut base
  11/05/24
lol you only make your nigger wife work so she can find new ...
Confused fluffy property
  11/05/24
Honestly, if you have space in your house au pairs are very ...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
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Far more low income people have kids than UMC people do. UMC...
razzle coldplay fan trust fund
  11/05/24
proles have kids and it all works out, but 1) they're misera...
supple ivory national
  11/05/24
It's extremely expensive
white boy winter
  11/08/24
When has it ever been easier than now to have kids in the US...
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(retarded boomer) oy yes multiple $300 tv's is the big ex...
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2 bed 2 bath houses in the Midwest are quite affordable. Tha...
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no "middle class" ppl ever lived in 2br houses wit...
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"Russian weirdo" That poster isn't me.
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its never been easier for a single dad with money to have ki...
boomer masterpiece of civilizational collapse
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100k isn’t middle class imho
borders (retired)
  11/08/24
100K HHI is poverty afaik
Oh, you travel?
  11/08/24
This is just retarded. In like 1975 people adjusted to infla...
borders (retired)
  11/08/24
he’s a joke
Oh, you travel?
  11/09/24
Like he thinks he can just ace OCI and make $280,000k like i...
borders (retired)
  11/09/24
2 income MC family is prob more like $130-150k. Even like 7 ...
snoot
  11/09/24


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Date: November 4th, 2024 7:31 AM
Author: supple ivory national

Not poor enough to get any kind of government aid, but a two income middle class family making 100k HHI (for example, teacher making 45k and generic office worker guy making 60k) and then having to spend a ton of money on child care and all sorts of child expenses is fucked…. Especially relative to what their boomer parents had. And never being able to afford a house.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279153)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 8:22 AM
Author: violet genital piercing locale

100k HHI families have grandparent support. They either live in podunk near family or in urban area near family. There is no yuppie family raising kids on 100k combined by themselves. The math doesn’t work.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279305)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 8:31 AM
Author: laughsome crusty garrison



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279331)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:05 AM
Author: supple ivory national

lol @ this are country fantasy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279422)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:06 AM
Author: Azure mildly autistic becky

It’s true

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279429)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:08 AM
Author: supple ivory national

lol no. some prole 100k midwestern couple struggling with babies has no grandparents around bc their prole boomer parents moved to the villages

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279441)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:30 AM
Author: violet genital piercing locale

Yea if you want to be dirt fucking broke with no real way out. Sure you can do it. But you won't get government assistance and you are setting the kids up for a life time of debt and poverty.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279568)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:32 AM
Author: supple ivory national

thats the prole american way

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279579)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 9:57 AM
Author: Dark Odious Orchestra Pit Cuckold

ljl change midwest to east coast and its literally me and my wife.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285526)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:03 AM
Author: Confused fluffy property

both of your numbers are very dated.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285578)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:51 AM
Author: supple ivory national

median teacher salary a lot of are country states is like 50-60. now do 25th percentile, and you're sometimes below 40k even. with a young woman teacher who is having kids, i'd assume they're closer to the 25th percentile

https://study.com/academy/popular/teacher-salary-by-state.html

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285909)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 8:50 AM
Author: .,.,....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,..,


$90K is the new $60K for office schulbs. Teachers also in my exurb of a 4th tier city school district pull more like $75K now.

the lower percentiles in your link are probably all catholic schools. they make dick.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309875)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:34 AM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


Shitloads of office schlubs make 60k, like the admins at our office other than the paralegals.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48310009)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 11:16 AM
Author: .,.,....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,..,


I mean actual companies, not your faggot law firm. ppl you're describing made $35K not too long ago. lol at paying whatever the fuck a "paralegal" is anything above min wage.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48310431)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 8:29 AM
Author: spectacular hospital

Daycares in places like NYC are subsidized up to $200k a year or some ridiculous number. Up to 85% of median income it's 100% free.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279325)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 8:30 AM
Author: spectacular hospital

And kids don't eat a lot and their clothes is cheap. A kid is like a $5k a year out of pocket expense for proles. It's not hard.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279328)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 8:43 AM
Author: violet genital piercing locale

Sure if you want to plop them in front of a screen all day everyday. That is fantastic for their development. Any activity costs $$$ now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279361)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:28 AM
Author: spectacular hospital

I was plopped in front of a screen and am a millionaire now. Activities are BS.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279551)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:29 AM
Author: French senate azn

Does that have anything to do with the fact that mommy and daddy gave you a bunch of houses in brooklyn that they bought in the 1980s, and you didnt actually earn it yourself with your 156 lsat score that got you into tulane university school of law?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279561)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 11:14 PM
Author: buck-toothed cream weed whacker station

He is terrible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48284065)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 8:11 AM
Author: spectacular hospital

That doesnt hurt but that's their money and mom aint dead. I made my money in the medical lab business and hustling with some legal work on top.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48284977)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:30 AM
Author: underhanded rigor abode

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285763)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:33 AM
Author: Wang Hernandez



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48310004)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 8:32 AM
Author: laughsome crusty garrison

wtf this obviously isnt true lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279334)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:05 AM
Author: supple ivory national



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279424)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 11:12 PM
Author: insecure green jap boistinker



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48284058)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 8:14 AM
Author: spectacular hospital

https://ocfs.ny.gov/programs/childcare/ccap/help.php

Income cap is $109k with 2 kids or $126k with three kids. Basically -- nobody in NYC is allowed to bitch.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48284990)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:39 AM
Author: Motley walnut base

It depends on where you live and what your expectations are. Most MC families were living in 2 bed 2 bath tiny houses back in the 50s. You can still find those kind of homes in some cities. Sending kids to public schools and using something like YMCA for free after school care means you just need to scrape enough together to provide 9 meals a week per kid and cover summers. It’s not easy but it’s doable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279608)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 9:41 AM
Author: supple ivory national

these poors are gonna have to send their kids to shitty public schools filled with dangerous minorities because they live in horrible school districts bc they're poor. but hey, depends on what your expectations are. not saying its not doable. it's doable - just miserable and their kids are gonna have worse lives than them. not saying they're justified in being genetic dead ends, but it's not hard to understand their choices.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48279621)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:04 AM
Author: cheddar man

if you're an indication of the quality of (((UMC people))) then they're probably better off around niggers

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309919)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:40 AM
Author: .....;;,,.........;.;.;.;.,;,;,;.;.;,;


A 2/2 condo or apartment in a good, mostly white and Asian school district would not price out a 100k HHI family in any city in the U.S. other than SF or NYC and sort of LA, although there are still some places in LA county that work. And in those places your goal before/as soon as you have a baby would/should be to move out to the BFE suburbs where it is easily affordable and where non SPS public schools are more plentiful.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48310027)



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Date: November 4th, 2024 11:14 PM
Author: insecure green jap boistinker

I honestly can't imagine. The thing with kids is that as two working parents what you lack is time and you can compensate with money or hate your life.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48284070)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 8:17 AM
Author: hideous henna prole legend

This is the stupid shit I’ve ever heard. We have 3, zero grandparent support, wife a SAHM and I make $200k.

We’re living fine. When I lower the income 401k I’m well within a range to get a lot of money back, pay little taxes and universal preK in our 180 school district.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48284995)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 9:45 AM
Author: supple ivory national

poor RC?

on one income, ur making 2x the dual-income HHI of the OP

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285454)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:01 AM
Author: bistre parlor

dude i dont think 200k with a sahm is what op meant by "middle class". count your blessings and get the fuck out of this thread...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285568)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:11 AM
Author: supple ivory national

cr. not just what i meant, but literally what i said

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285623)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:30 AM
Author: underhanded rigor abode

I cant imagine paying tutors and activities and what not for three kids on that income. Much less saving adequately for college for all three and retirement. You are probably okay at the moment but you are going to need an income increase that well outpaces inflation in the next few years.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285760)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:52 AM
Author: hideous henna prole legend

Lmao the above was true but it tweaked it. I make $90k and have 5.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285915)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:01 AM
Author: As far as they will go but even farther

18000000

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309911)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:00 AM
Author: turquoise abnormal plaza corn cake

This is the life I lead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285558)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:07 AM
Author: geriatric learning disabled volcanic crater shitlib

Yeah I don't get how they do it. At least the ones with no parental support. I think they just load up on debt (mortgage, car loans, credit card) and hope that the house appreciates enough in the future to pay everything off. I don't care if you're in a low COL. Childcare is expensive.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285595)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:16 AM
Author: Motley walnut base

It’s expensive for 0-3 or 4. Once kids are in public school and subsidized after care it’s much more doable. If neighbors could trust each other then they’d pool resources to watch kids while some parents are working and rotate coverage. It’s rare that people even know who lives around them much less could trust them to take care of their kids these days. It’s sad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285676)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:48 AM
Author: Confused fluffy property

lol you only make your nigger wife work so she can find new bulls to cum in your asshole. also you pee sitting down.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285882)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 12:41 AM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.


Honestly, if you have space in your house au pairs are very economical.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48308909)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:54 AM
Author: razzle coldplay fan trust fund

Far more low income people have kids than UMC people do. UMC deliberately don't have kids because they say they can't afford it but proles don't think that way. They just have kids and it all works out.

It's people's decision to make kids expensive, not kids themselves.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285931)



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Date: November 5th, 2024 10:56 AM
Author: supple ivory national

proles have kids and it all works out, but 1) they're miserable because they're constantly living in the misery and stress of one missed payment away from utter financial ruin, or 2) they're too dumb to care and worry about #1

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48285956)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 8:50 AM
Author: white boy winter

It's extremely expensive

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309878)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 8:57 AM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,.


When has it ever been easier than now to have kids in the US? Before this era, more women stayed at home but living standards were much more humble. Kids often shared bedrooms and the entire family had one maybe two bathrooms. Most families didn’t have cable or multiple TVs. Families willing to give up modern luxuries and high consumption can have that type of lifestyle.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309897)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 8:59 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,


(retarded boomer)

oy yes multiple $300 tv's is the big expense in modern life

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309902)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:02 AM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,..:,,:,......,;:.,.:..:.,:,::,.


2 bed 2 bath houses in the Midwest are quite affordable. That’s what the middle class used to live in not these McMansions that everyone feels entitled to now. These same people complaining about expenses are also driving brand new pickups and ordering DoorDash. Modern consumption is a plague and people need to be reminded that their expectations are ridiculous for their station

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309913)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:20 AM
Author: .,.,....,.,.;,.,,,:,.,.,::,...,:,..;,..,


no "middle class" ppl ever lived in 2br houses with multiple kids you russian weirdo. even prole rust belt duplexes all are like 4/5 bdr though they may only have one shitter.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309967)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:26 AM
Author: ...,,..;...,,..,..,...,,,;..,




(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309984)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 8:32 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.


"Russian weirdo"

That poster isn't me.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48312960)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 8:59 AM
Author: boomer masterpiece of civilizational collapse

its never been easier for a single dad with money to have kids, i think once they figure out surrogates that is what really fucks with women - plus the outcomes for the kids are pretty much same as if both parents, just need to figure out breastfeeding

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309905)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:04 AM
Author: borders (retired)

100k isn’t middle class imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309921)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:17 AM
Author: Oh, you travel? ( )

100K HHI is poverty afaik

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309957)



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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:23 AM
Author: borders (retired)

This is just retarded. In like 1975 people adjusted to inflation and no one thought as $5,000k a year as a solid income anymore. There’s something about crossing into 6-figure hell that people just can’t wrap their heads around. $50k is literally what a Mexican who hand dries your Car at the Carwash takes home. More with Tips. $100k household is ridiculous. This is not 2011 in Akron. Wtf is wrong with OP?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48309973)



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Date: November 9th, 2024 8:51 AM
Author: Oh, you travel? ( )

he’s a joke

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48314390)



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Date: November 9th, 2024 10:52 AM
Author: borders (retired)

Like he thinks he can just ace OCI and make $280,000k like it'd nbd, like he's the Better of like 99% of society, but it's ridiculous, guys who do Gutters probably make $280,000k. He doesn't get how ignominious 100k and, by extension, he, is.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48314848)



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Date: November 9th, 2024 8:54 AM
Author: snoot

2 income MC family is prob more like $130-150k. Even like 7 years ago, it was possible to get by even with 2 kids on this kind of HHI. Now? If even 1 is in daycare, your fucked.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5624369&forum_id=2#48314398)