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GRIZZLY MAN--Timothy Treadwell blasts Nat'l Park Service (180!)

http://youtu.be/gDQkLF1Vd3o?t=35s
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One of the best fucking films of the 2000s.
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MFCR. recommend me some other CR films?
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Watch McConkey on Netflix about (Shane McConkey)
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pretty sure the saddest, most moving part was how he got his...
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he was proved to be a complete moron
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In Obama's America, National Park Service Blast You!!
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How dare they
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lol
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So glad that moron got eaten.
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LMFAO me: celebrating NPS's centennial at Big Bend this Thu...
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The first sounds from the tape are from Amie, "she soun...
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Horrifying
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Still 180. Fuck that guy.
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180
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Crazy that guy has been dead for over 20 years.
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What does this mean from wiki: On October 5, 2003, Treadwell...
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Digested typo?
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Date: March 27th, 2014 5:58 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine

http://youtu.be/gDQkLF1Vd3o?t=35s

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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:02 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: March 27th, 2014 6:00 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine

"ANIMALS RULE. TIMOTHY CONQUERED. FUCK YOU, PARK SERVICE!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#25273226)



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Date: March 27th, 2014 6:03 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ6WBDDXjmw "I am the floaty thing's gopher boy."

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Date: March 28th, 2014 10:32 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: March 28th, 2014 10:51 AM
Author: seedy mediation whorehouse

One of the best fucking films of the 2000s.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#25277374)



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Date: March 28th, 2014 11:00 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine

MFCR. recommend me some other CR films?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#25277435)



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Date: January 26th, 2016 11:13 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle native wrinkle

Watch McConkey on Netflix about (Shane McConkey)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#29688687)



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Date: April 7th, 2021 10:31 PM
Author: razzle-dazzle native wrinkle



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Date: June 23rd, 2024 9:52 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: March 28th, 2014 10:52 AM
Author: crystalline diverse kitty toaster

that movie was really sad. perhaps the most moving part was the "big reveal" section where herzog illustrated what an utter loser he'd been as a child, teenager, and young adult

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#25277379)



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Date: March 28th, 2014 11:01 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: March 29th, 2014 12:07 AM
Author: electric lime institution



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Date: August 24th, 2016 12:32 AM
Author: Flushed theater stage indirect expression



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Date: August 24th, 2016 1:11 AM
Author: Exhilarant cyan police squad station

pretty sure the saddest, most moving part was how he got his girlfriend killed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#31256241)



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Date: September 29th, 2016 10:24 PM
Author: beady-eyed theatre fat ankles

i didn't like how Herzog made fun of him for being an ashamed baldmo.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#31525559)



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Date: March 29th, 2014 12:01 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: May 14th, 2014 12:49 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: May 14th, 2014 12:51 AM
Author: nofapping aphrodisiac stag film

he was proved to be a complete moron

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#25557982)



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Date: June 22nd, 2015 11:18 PM
Author: very tactful point



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Date: December 1st, 2014 9:04 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: March 26th, 2015 8:59 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: May 16th, 2015 8:23 AM
Author: cracking cerise friendly grandma



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Date: May 16th, 2015 10:37 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: May 16th, 2015 10:59 AM
Author: green laser beams party of the first part

watched this last night, didn't realize this guy was a nerd loser furry weirdo, it was a 180 SCUZZING

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#27902449)



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Date: May 25th, 2015 2:32 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 22nd, 2015 11:18 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: January 5th, 2016 10:25 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: January 26th, 2016 10:32 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#29688320)



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Date: January 26th, 2016 10:33 PM
Author: sinister odious home quadroon

In Obama's America, National Park Service Blast You!!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#29688322)



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Date: June 16th, 2016 12:28 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 23rd, 2024 9:23 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: August 24th, 2016 12:29 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: August 24th, 2016 12:40 AM
Author: Fragrant Dark Hall

How dare they

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Date: August 24th, 2016 12:43 AM
Author: Frozen charismatic state

lol

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Date: November 5th, 2016 5:53 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: November 14th, 2020 4:48 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: March 26th, 2021 5:47 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: April 7th, 2021 10:32 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 7th, 2021 6:57 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: December 31st, 2021 3:08 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: December 31st, 2021 5:27 PM
Author: lascivious shimmering internal respiration forum



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Date: April 8th, 2022 6:56 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: April 26th, 2022 1:17 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: May 4th, 2022 3:09 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: May 14th, 2022 2:40 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: September 23rd, 2022 4:13 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 12th, 2024 11:03 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 12th, 2024 11:33 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 12th, 2024 2:52 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 14th, 2024 9:44 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: August 24th, 2016 1:01 AM
Author: transparent disturbing stain

So glad that moron got eaten.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#31256204)



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Date: August 24th, 2016 1:10 AM
Author: Exhilarant cyan police squad station

LMFAO

me: celebrating NPS's centennial at Big Bend this Thursday

him: bear shit and maggot food

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#31256238)



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Date: September 17th, 2016 7:05 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: September 29th, 2016 9:50 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: September 29th, 2016 10:50 PM
Author: coiffed chapel becky

The first sounds from the tape are from Amie, "she sounds surprised and asks if it's still out there". Apparently either Tim had asked Amie to turn the camera on, or Amie just turned it on out of reflex. At any rate, the attack was in progress when the camera was turned on.

The next voice is from Timothy as he screams "Get out here! I'm getting killed out here!" (Tim was wearing a remote microphone on his coverall's). The sound of a tent zipper is then heard and the tent flap opening. Amie is heard screaming over the background sounds of rain hitting the tent, the wind, and other storm sounds all mixed in with the bear and Tim fighting to "Play dead!" Seconds pass before Amie yells again to "Play dead!" (Van Daele 2004)

Not surprisingly, with Amie yelling and screaming nearby, this seems to work and the bear breaks off the attack. (more on this below) A short conversation ensues as Amie and Tim try and determine if the bear is really gone. Being trained as a physician's assistant, it is believed that Amie made her way to Tim, and from the sounds caught on tape, the bear returns and Amie is forced to back off. Tim then is clearly heard screaming that playing dead isn't working and begs her to "hit the bear!" ( Van Daele 2005, Fallico 2004)

The sound of rain hitting the tent, along with wind muffle the sounds at this point. However, Amie is clearly heard yelling to "Fight back!" She is then heard screaming "Stop! Go Away! or possibly Run Away!" as the sound of "a frying pan is used to beat the top of the bears head and the sound of Tim moaning. (Fallico 2004)

It is believed that at this point in the attack, the bear let go of Tim's head which the bear had in it's mouth, and grabbed him somewhere in the upper leg area. The sound of Amie screaming very loudly, as Tim is clearly heard over the sounds of the storm, saying "Amie get away, get away, go away". Tim knew he was going to die at this point and wanted to save Amie from the same fate. (Herzog, Fallico 2004)

Amie did not go away.

The audio portion of this video tape lasts roughly 6 minutes. During this period, Tim's cries and pleadings can be heard for two-thirds of that time. He did not die quickly, unlike some traumatic death victims who were lucky enough to drift off into a shock induced dream state. Tim was obviously very aware and struggling desperately to survive during the last moments of his life.

Unlike what is portrayed in the movies, the bear is nearly silent. Only low growls and periodic grunts are heard which only adds to the horror of the scene. Sounds of the bear dragging Tim off, and the fading sounds of his scream's indicate that Tim is being pulled and dragged into the brush and away from camp.

As the tape comes to an end, the sounds of Amie's high-pitched screams rise to a new level, much like what has been described as "the sound of a predator call used by hunters to produce the distress cries of a small wounded animal which often attracts bears". Biologist Larry Van Daele, for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game theorizes that Amie's screams "may have prompted the bear to return and kill her." ( Van Daele 2004 )

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#31525792)



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Date: November 5th, 2016 5:55 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine

Horrifying

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Date: November 6th, 2016 12:10 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: November 14th, 2016 8:00 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: November 2nd, 2022 11:07 AM
Author: supple sandwich

Still 180. Fuck that guy.

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Date: November 7th, 2018 8:14 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: November 16th, 2020 7:02 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: December 24th, 2020 11:52 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: April 7th, 2021 10:31 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: September 11th, 2021 8:45 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: October 30th, 2021 4:48 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: December 31st, 2021 5:22 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: March 26th, 2022 2:13 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: April 8th, 2022 6:55 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: May 6th, 2022 12:52 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: November 2nd, 2022 11:04 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: January 21st, 2023 6:41 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: February 18th, 2023 8:58 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: October 7th, 2023 6:52 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:11 PM
Author: swashbuckling space

180

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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:12 PM
Author: cowardly mischievous gay wizard stock car

Crazy that guy has been dead for over 20 years.

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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:13 PM
Author: cowardly mischievous gay wizard stock car

What does this mean from wiki: On October 5, 2003, Treadwell and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard were killed and almost fully molested by a 28-year-old male bear whose stomach was later found to contain human remains and clothing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#46984322)



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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:21 PM
Author: idiotic duck-like associate bawdyhouse

Digested typo?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#46984345)



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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:22 PM
Author: cowardly mischievous gay wizard stock car

Or the bear ...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#46984348)



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Date: June 12th, 2024 11:00 AM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 14th, 2024 12:46 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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Date: June 15th, 2024 12:04 PM
Author: irradiated hideous shrine



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