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One of the best fucking films of the 2000s.
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MFCR. recommend me some other CR films?
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Watch McConkey on Netflix about (Shane McConkey)
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In Obama's America, National Park Service Blast You!!
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How dare they
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So glad that moron got eaten.
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Horrifying
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Still 180. Fuck that guy.
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180
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Crazy that guy has been dead for over 20 years.
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Date: March 27th, 2014 5:58 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre

http://youtu.be/gDQkLF1Vd3o?t=35s

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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:02 PM
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Date: March 27th, 2014 6:00 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre

"ANIMALS RULE. TIMOTHY CONQUERED. FUCK YOU, PARK SERVICE!"

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Date: March 27th, 2014 6:03 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ6WBDDXjmw "I am the floaty thing's gopher boy."

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Date: March 28th, 2014 10:32 AM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre



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Date: March 28th, 2014 10:51 AM
Author: glittery candlestick maker

One of the best fucking films of the 2000s.

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Date: March 28th, 2014 11:00 AM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre

MFCR. recommend me some other CR films?

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Date: January 26th, 2016 11:13 PM
Author: Bistre Twinkling Uncleanness

Watch McConkey on Netflix about (Shane McConkey)

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Date: April 7th, 2021 10:31 PM
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Date: June 23rd, 2024 9:52 PM
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Date: March 28th, 2014 10:52 AM
Author: talented slimy whorehouse

that movie was really sad. perhaps the most moving part was the "big reveal" section where herzog illustrated what an utter loser he'd been as a child, teenager, and young adult

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Date: March 28th, 2014 11:01 AM
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Date: March 29th, 2014 12:07 AM
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Date: August 24th, 2016 12:32 AM
Author: Embarrassed to the bone hell affirmative action



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Date: August 24th, 2016 1:11 AM
Author: rebellious volcanic crater

pretty sure the saddest, most moving part was how he got his girlfriend killed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#31256241)



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Date: September 29th, 2016 10:24 PM
Author: milky provocative school cafeteria gay wizard

i didn't like how Herzog made fun of him for being an ashamed baldmo.

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Date: March 29th, 2014 12:01 AM
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Date: May 14th, 2014 12:49 AM
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Date: May 14th, 2014 12:51 AM
Author: impressive house-broken national

he was proved to be a complete moron

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Date: June 22nd, 2015 11:18 PM
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Date: December 1st, 2014 9:04 PM
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Date: March 26th, 2015 8:59 PM
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Date: May 16th, 2015 8:23 AM
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Date: May 16th, 2015 10:37 AM
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Date: May 16th, 2015 10:59 AM
Author: kink-friendly flirting gas station

watched this last night, didn't realize this guy was a nerd loser furry weirdo, it was a 180 SCUZZING

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Date: May 25th, 2015 2:32 PM
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Date: June 22nd, 2015 11:18 PM
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Date: January 5th, 2016 10:25 PM
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Date: January 26th, 2016 10:32 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre



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Date: January 26th, 2016 10:33 PM
Author: titillating brethren

In Obama's America, National Park Service Blast You!!

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Date: June 16th, 2016 12:28 AM
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Date: June 23rd, 2024 9:23 PM
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Date: August 24th, 2016 12:29 AM
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Date: August 24th, 2016 12:40 AM
Author: big crystalline nowag wagecucks

How dare they

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Date: August 24th, 2016 12:43 AM
Author: low-t site hominid

lol

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Date: November 5th, 2016 5:53 PM
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Date: November 14th, 2020 4:48 PM
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Date: March 26th, 2021 5:47 PM
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Date: April 7th, 2021 10:32 PM
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Date: June 7th, 2021 6:57 PM
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Date: December 31st, 2021 3:08 PM
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Date: December 31st, 2021 5:27 PM
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Date: April 8th, 2022 6:56 PM
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Date: April 26th, 2022 1:17 PM
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Date: May 4th, 2022 3:09 PM
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Date: May 14th, 2022 2:40 AM
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Date: September 23rd, 2022 4:13 PM
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Date: June 12th, 2024 11:03 AM
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Date: June 14th, 2024 9:44 PM
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Date: August 24th, 2016 1:01 AM
Author: Insecure Vivacious Library

So glad that moron got eaten.

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Date: August 24th, 2016 1:10 AM
Author: rebellious volcanic crater

LMFAO

me: celebrating NPS's centennial at Big Bend this Thursday

him: bear shit and maggot food

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Date: September 17th, 2016 7:05 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre



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Date: September 29th, 2016 9:50 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre



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Date: September 29th, 2016 10:50 PM
Author: canary angry center foreskin

The first sounds from the tape are from Amie, "she sounds surprised and asks if it's still out there". Apparently either Tim had asked Amie to turn the camera on, or Amie just turned it on out of reflex. At any rate, the attack was in progress when the camera was turned on.

The next voice is from Timothy as he screams "Get out here! I'm getting killed out here!" (Tim was wearing a remote microphone on his coverall's). The sound of a tent zipper is then heard and the tent flap opening. Amie is heard screaming over the background sounds of rain hitting the tent, the wind, and other storm sounds all mixed in with the bear and Tim fighting to "Play dead!" Seconds pass before Amie yells again to "Play dead!" (Van Daele 2004)

Not surprisingly, with Amie yelling and screaming nearby, this seems to work and the bear breaks off the attack. (more on this below) A short conversation ensues as Amie and Tim try and determine if the bear is really gone. Being trained as a physician's assistant, it is believed that Amie made her way to Tim, and from the sounds caught on tape, the bear returns and Amie is forced to back off. Tim then is clearly heard screaming that playing dead isn't working and begs her to "hit the bear!" ( Van Daele 2005, Fallico 2004)

The sound of rain hitting the tent, along with wind muffle the sounds at this point. However, Amie is clearly heard yelling to "Fight back!" She is then heard screaming "Stop! Go Away! or possibly Run Away!" as the sound of "a frying pan is used to beat the top of the bears head and the sound of Tim moaning. (Fallico 2004)

It is believed that at this point in the attack, the bear let go of Tim's head which the bear had in it's mouth, and grabbed him somewhere in the upper leg area. The sound of Amie screaming very loudly, as Tim is clearly heard over the sounds of the storm, saying "Amie get away, get away, go away". Tim knew he was going to die at this point and wanted to save Amie from the same fate. (Herzog, Fallico 2004)

Amie did not go away.

The audio portion of this video tape lasts roughly 6 minutes. During this period, Tim's cries and pleadings can be heard for two-thirds of that time. He did not die quickly, unlike some traumatic death victims who were lucky enough to drift off into a shock induced dream state. Tim was obviously very aware and struggling desperately to survive during the last moments of his life.

Unlike what is portrayed in the movies, the bear is nearly silent. Only low growls and periodic grunts are heard which only adds to the horror of the scene. Sounds of the bear dragging Tim off, and the fading sounds of his scream's indicate that Tim is being pulled and dragged into the brush and away from camp.

As the tape comes to an end, the sounds of Amie's high-pitched screams rise to a new level, much like what has been described as "the sound of a predator call used by hunters to produce the distress cries of a small wounded animal which often attracts bears". Biologist Larry Van Daele, for the Alaska Department of Fish and Game theorizes that Amie's screams "may have prompted the bear to return and kill her." ( Van Daele 2004 )

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2528977&forum_id=2#31525792)



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Date: November 5th, 2016 5:55 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre

Horrifying

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Date: November 6th, 2016 12:10 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre



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Date: November 14th, 2016 8:00 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre



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Date: November 2nd, 2022 11:07 AM
Author: medicated stag film depressive

Still 180. Fuck that guy.

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Date: November 7th, 2018 8:14 PM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre



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Date: November 16th, 2020 7:02 PM
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Date: December 24th, 2020 11:52 AM
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Date: October 7th, 2023 6:52 PM
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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:11 PM
Author: shaky pit

180

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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:12 PM
Author: Grizzly nubile shitlib location

Crazy that guy has been dead for over 20 years.

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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:13 PM
Author: Grizzly nubile shitlib location

What does this mean from wiki: On October 5, 2003, Treadwell and his girlfriend Amie Huguenard were killed and almost fully molested by a 28-year-old male bear whose stomach was later found to contain human remains and clothing

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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:21 PM
Author: mewling love of her life nursing home

Digested typo?

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Date: October 25th, 2023 11:22 PM
Author: Grizzly nubile shitlib location

Or the bear ...

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Date: June 12th, 2024 11:00 AM
Author: Comical Startling Theatre



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