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Drifting From the West’s Orbit, Russians Find a New Role Model in China (NYT)

Drifting From the West’s Orbit, Russians Find a New Ro...
Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e
  06/30/25
Sergei Stillavin, a Russian radio host and founder of a car ...
Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e
  06/30/25
Michael Boyajian Fishkill 2h ago Russia on the road to ...
Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e
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Robert Lacks Florida 2h ago Times Pick I lived in Togl...
Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e
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"Other Russians are more skeptical, saying that the inc...
marc andreesen furrowing brow, stroking cone head
  06/30/25
"We can only be close with Europe because we are united...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
  06/30/25
i didn't say that it's rational or sensible or true. i just ...
marc andreesen furrowing brow, stroking cone head
  06/30/25
Putin has notably soured on that perspective. That's a cert...
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
  06/30/25
good. they're not european. i'm not trying to hate or anythi...
marc andreesen furrowing brow, stroking cone head
  06/30/25
I agree. That road leads nowhere good for Russia.
.,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.
  06/30/25
china is the wgwag capital of the world with all the russian...
dandified nigger
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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:38 PM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e (You = Privy to The Great Becumming™ & Yet You Recognize Nothing)

Drifting From the West’s Orbit, Russians Find a New Role Model in China

China has become trendy for Russians who once worshiped everything Western. Young people are learning Mandarin, and Chinese culture and goods have become ubiquitous in Moscow.

Nanna Heitmann

By Ivan Nechepurenko

Photographs by Nanna Heitmann

Reporting from Moscow

June 30, 2025, 5:00 a.m. ET

Standing under a pagoda roof at the entrance to a sprawling Chinese-themed park in Moscow, Alyona Iyevskaya was doing homework for her university. Against a backdrop of ornate pavilions, arched bridges, a pond and a statue of Confucius, a friend filmed her on a camera phone gushing about the park — in Mandarin.

Ms. Iyevskaya, 19, said she chose to study the language at Moscow City University, where she is a first-year student, because she believes China is on the rise and her prospects will be better if she speaks the language. Many Moscow universities now offer similar courses.

“Many young people want to go to China to study,” Ms. Iyevskaya said. “There are so many prospects in China,” she added. “It is so cool, and it is developing so fast.”

In a country that until recently worshiped everything Western, something surprising has happened: China has become desirable and trendy for Russians.

Chinese cars have become a common sight on Moscow streets. Members of the Russian elite are hiring Chinese nannies to encourage their children to learn Mandarin early. The capital’s museums and performance centers are clamoring to put on Chinese exhibitions and shows.

“The last three years let the Russians see the East in a totally new light, not as an exotic alternative to Europe but as a mainstream direction for business, tourism and studies,” Kirill V. Babaev, the head of the Institute of China and Contemporary Asia at the Russian Academy of Sciences, said in an email.

“The Russian people are following this trend with so much interest, as if they had just discovered another planet,” he added.

Since the Russian invasion of Ukraine, China has become the Kremlin’s best friend in public, even as some Russian officials retain a deep suspicion of Beijing’s intentions. It has provided diplomatic support and bought Russian oil and gas. China’s leader, Xi Jinping, has met with President Vladimir V. Putin in the Kremlin, both smiling warmly for the cameras. China has also helped replace Western consumer goods that Russians cannot buy because of sanctions.

All that has fed into a growing mania for Chinese goods and culture across Russia.

In Moscow, the few public schools that offer Chinese are oversubscribed, and Mandarin is a staple not only at linguistic universities, but also at technical schools. Employment vacancies requiring Chinese have soared in recent years, according to a popular job website.

Theater directors from China stage plays based on contemporary Chinese novels in Russian theaters that once welcomed leading Western artists. In April, a major museum in Moscow hosted an exhibition of porcelain, ceramics and other artifacts from the National Museum of China in Beijing. Books about Chinese culture are featured prominently in bookstores.

In late January, Moscow City Hall decorated the city center to celebrate Lunar New Year, covering pedestrian streets with red lanterns and installing a giant panda hugging a Christmas tree next to Red Square.

Moscow’s subway laid on a red Chinese-themed train and translated its map into Chinese. The city’s billboards and state television featured Mr. Xi’s “favorite catchphrases,” (“delicious soup is made by combining different ingredients” is one), and Chinese restaurants have been sprouting in cities across Russia.

Valentin Gogol, the founder of a company that supplies nannies for members of the Russian elite, said he had been scrambling to meet ever-growing demand for Chinese speakers. Salaries now run to $5,000 per month, he said, generally high by Russian standards, and still, “The process of recruiting has been quite hard.”

English-speaking nannies are still the most popular, he said, but Chinese-speaking ones have replaced French speakers in second place.

“People now see it as an additional second language to complement English,” said Mr. Gogol, whose company is still called English Nanny.

Chinese cars are one increasingly visible sign of the Russian embrace of China. Cars made in China have flooded the Russian market, with more than 900,000 sold last year alone, according to Autostat, an auto market consultancy. That compared with about 115,000 in 2021.

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Sergei Stillavin, a Russian radio host and founder of a car blog on YouTube, used to travel around Europe to review European cars. Now almost all cars featured in his blog are Chinese.

“BMW is still more prestigious,” he said, speaking about deeply entrenched preferences in Russia. “But I know people who switched from Porsche to Li Xiang,” a Chinese car brand now ubiquitous on Moscow’s streets.

While there is undoubtedly much more enthusiasm for Chinese goods, there is still a lingering longing for Western products that have become increasingly difficult to obtain in recent years.

Taxi drivers in Chinese cars in Moscow say they would still rather buy a German car if it were the same price. And videos have circulated on social media poking fun at Chinese cars. In one, a Russian man presents a Chinese car as a gift to his girlfriend. As soon as she sees the stylish car, her face falls.

“I hope you are joking,” she says. “I won’t drive a Chinese one, this is not a Porsche, or a Mercedes.”

Western branding also remains common across the Russian capital. A new elite building complex in Moscow bears aspirational London-themed names like Knightsbridge Private Park complex and Belgravia, rather than ones evoking Shanghai or Beijing. And even a Chinese business cluster near Moscow is called GreenWood.

“Red Silk,” a joint Russian-Chinese movie with Chinese and Russian spies battling Japanese enemies, Chinese nationalists and their British backers on a trans-Siberian train in 1927, was a box-office disaster despite state-sponsored advertising. And only one Chinese fashion brand, Ellassay, has replaced the Western luxury boutiques that used to dominate the storefront of GUM, Red Square’s department store.

Aleksandr Grek, a Russian magazine editor and a China enthusiast with five children, said there were generational differences in how China was viewed by the young.

His children over 14 are still more Western-oriented, but the younger ones know little about Western culture and are infatuated with Asia, he said.

“They don’t see anything that is made in the United States,” said Mr. Grek, 59, sipping green tea in a Moscow cafe and talking of his younger children. “Everything that surrounds them is made in China.”

Mr. Grek’s children all studied Chinese. His 14-year-old daughter speaks it fluently and will spend the next summer in China living with a local family “just like children used to go to England” to improve their English. For Mr. Grek and his family, the reasoning is simple.

“China is our only friend now,” he said, listing technological fields where he sees China as the world’s leader, like solar power and artificial intelligence. “And it is becoming top country in the world.”

Other Russians are more skeptical, saying that the increased interest in China was likely a temporary marriage of convenience.

Yulia Kuznetsova, a Chinese language and culture specialist, said she remembered when learning Mandarin was considered exotic and Sinologists were a fringe group. She said she thought that the China craze would end once relations with the West improved.

“Deep down nothing has changed,” she said. For Russians, Ms. Kuznetsova said, China “is a foreign culture.”

“Even the Arab world is much closer to us,” she said, citing Dubai as one place where Russians were flocking. “We can only be close with Europe because we are united by a culture that is similar or even the same.”

Ivan Nechepurenko covers Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, the countries of the Caucasus, and Central Asia.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060468)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:39 PM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e (You = Privy to The Great Becumming™ & Yet You Recognize Nothing)

Sergei Stillavin, a Russian radio host and founder of a car blog on YouTube, used to travel around Europe to review European cars. Now almost all cars featured in his blog are Chinese.

“BMW is still more prestigious,” he said, speaking about deeply entrenched preferences in Russia. “But I know people who switched from Porsche to Li Xiang,” a Chinese car brand now ubiquitous on Moscow’s streets.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060470)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:39 PM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e (You = Privy to The Great Becumming™ & Yet You Recognize Nothing)

Michael Boyajian

Fishkill

2h ago

Russia on the road to becoming a client state for China like North Korea. C’est la vie.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060474)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:39 PM
Author: Mainlining the $ecret Truth of the Univer$e (You = Privy to The Great Becumming™ & Yet You Recognize Nothing)

Robert Lacks

Florida

2h ago

Times Pick

I lived in Togliatti, Russia in the mid-1990's. At that time, it was the center of the automotive business in Russia, employing about 100,000 workers at the AvtoVaz auto plant. Today, only 40,000 people work there building cars based on West European design. The Chinese have taken over the auto business in Russia and car imports from China have reached nearly one million per year. If this trend continues, Russia will become, in effect, a province of China.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060476)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:41 PM
Author: marc andreesen furrowing brow, stroking cone head

"Other Russians are more skeptical, saying that the increased interest in China was likely a temporary marriage of convenience.

Yulia Kuznetsova, a Chinese language and culture specialist, said she remembered when learning Mandarin was considered exotic and Sinologists were a fringe group. She said she thought that the China craze would end once relations with the West improved.

“Deep down nothing has changed,” she said. For Russians, Ms. Kuznetsova said, China “is a foreign culture.”

“Even the Arab world is much closer to us,” she said, citing Dubai as one place where Russians were flocking. “We can only be close with Europe because we are united by a culture that is similar or even the same.”

to understand the Eternal Slav, you have to understand that more than anything else, they desperately, intensely, want to be white europeans

if europe told russia today that going forward, they will be considered as Part Of Europe, russia would end the war with ukraine and give concessions and pay whatever reparations they were asked for

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060483)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 12:57 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.


"We can only be close with Europe because we are united by a culture that is similar or even the same"

This is like citing some American shitlib and the bullshit they spout. Sure, these people exist in Russia too but instead of bravely declaring that there are an infinite number of genders they bleat this total bullshit. And to understand why people are encouraged to say this shit (likely via USAID and similar funding mechanisms), you get this:

"if europe told russia today that going forward, they will be considered as Part Of Europe, russia would end the war with ukraine and give concessions and pay whatever reparations they were asked for"

Ultimately, this is the goal for those that are pushing this perspective in Russia. Give up everything Russia, do anything to join the dystopian EU project. And if they did that, they would then be ordered to go fight China just as Ukraine is fighting Russia now.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060538)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:04 PM
Author: marc andreesen furrowing brow, stroking cone head

i didn't say that it's rational or sensible or true. i just said that's what slavs (especially russians) believe

even putin himself desperately wants to be a White European, more than anything else. the man who led russia back into its Shared White European Destiny. it's all they've ever wanted

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060583)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:06 PM
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Putin has notably soured on that perspective. That's a certain segment of Russian society, but that segment has gotten much, much smaller in recent years. I've known people like that that have done complete U turns.

By the way, the peak of that perspective was right after the fall of the USSR.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060592)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:08 PM
Author: marc andreesen furrowing brow, stroking cone head

good. they're not european. i'm not trying to hate or anything. they're just a clearly separate people with a separate history and culture. there's some overlap but they have their own thing going on and their own destiny. they shouldn't get caught up in europe's drama and problems which are specifically european

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060600)



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Date: June 30th, 2025 1:17 PM
Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,.,.,:::,...,:,...:..:.,:.::,.


I agree. That road leads nowhere good for Russia.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49060631)



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Date: July 1st, 2025 12:14 AM
Author: dandified nigger (ELIMINATE TWO THIRDS OF THE SCHOOL DAY)

china is the wgwag capital of the world with all the russians there nowadays

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5744623&forum_id=2#49062310)