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Anyone here thing the IQ gap is not mostly due to genetics?
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:10 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030883) |
Date: November 7th, 2023 7:12 PM Author: fragrant digit ratio It's not just IQ but impulse control and delayed gratification. Both are probably more important than IQ. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030894) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:13 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy i would guess iq and testosterone levels are the main determinants of impulse control (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030902) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:14 PM Author: fragrant digit ratio They've identified tons of genetic markers for impulse control. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030903) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:16 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy can those same genetic markers impact intelligence or testosterone levels? serious question, i've never done a deep dive into the science (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030911) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:17 PM Author: fragrant digit ratio Get funding for a study of niggers, my fellow intellectual (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030917) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:18 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary as an intellectual, I like to study them by watching them from the corner as they fuck my wife (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030923) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:18 PM Author: fragrant digit ratio (drops monocle) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030927) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2023 11:38 PM Author: medicated windowlicker (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47092023) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:18 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy seems like it would apply across all races. the reason i would guess iq and testosterone would determine impulse control is prison populations tend to be low iq and high test relative to the population (even comparing white prisoners to white pop, asians to asians, etc.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030926) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:57 PM Author: submissive idea he suggested do you think SBF is high T? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031121) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:02 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy idk compared to jewish males he might be. but i of course mean on average. also, the particular crime he committed doesn't really scream "low impulse control" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031133) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:15 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma You specifically referring to US White v. US Blacks?
If so, it's not up for debate. Data are in. Mostly genetic. |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:17 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy just in general. most people taking the opposite stance would say it's more likely to be environmental in the US due to slavery, etc., but the same gap remains constant in countries that never had slavery (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030918) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:21 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma The best argument that it's not genetic is not "environment" like most people think of that word. The largest "environmental" thing dragging down Black IQ is probably just mother's shitty diet while pregnant and the kids shitty diet when growing up. GC poison in the US food system lower people's IQs. 90% of white kids probably have their IQ dragged down just as much for the same reason, but at last 10% of White kids eat healthy(ish). Probably 0.1% of Black kids eat healthy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030940) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:24 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy idk if this were the case, you would probably see variation in different regions of the country or around the world (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030951) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:26 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma This is only possibly the largest variable for the portion of the gap that is environmental. It's negligible on its own.
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:23 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma Also -- higher rates of vitamin D deficiency almost certainly explain a pretty big chunk of the "environmental" portion of the gap.
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:25 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy wouldn't this be easily verifiable by checking those levels or looking at countries where they get more sunlight? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030960) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:29 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma Data would be shit. Too many confounding variables. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030985) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:31 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy how so? couldn't you do studies of various populations and track the vitamin d levels (even over time) and see if there is any correlation? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030989) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:34 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma The study yuu just proposed is totally different than the previous one you propsed and I shot down.
Also, you would need to track over the course of generations. Not feasible. |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:39 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy no it's actually not, just a more detailed description.
and no, unless you're saying that vitamin d deficiency has a lasting effect beyond just the pregnancy of the mother, it seems like the most you would have to do is check the levels of pregnant mothers and then their children and compare the levels and iq tests to subjects that had varying levels and iq and then find any correlation |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:16 PM Author: Demanding senate athletic conference cool bro we have never discussed this on xoxo before (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030914) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:20 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy although asians have a higher iq than whites on average, you're on the left side of that bell curve. now begone from my thread, chink (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030935) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:21 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma nyuug has a BAIQ to al along with his BAC. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030944) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:25 PM Author: Demanding senate athletic conference fucktarded xoxo cumskins: WHY AZNS SO REPETITIVE AND UNCREATIVE
fucktarded xoxo cumskins: *creates same thread day in, day out*
fucktarded xoxo cumskins: WHY NYUUG LOLLERCAUST?
*is fucktarded xoxo cumskin* |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:28 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary this thread is only one example out of millions of threads. its undeniable that there are some highly creative poasters on xo. also undeniable that you are one of the least creative and most repetitive and annoying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030979) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:31 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma Die cumskin. nyuug is 180. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030990) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:32 PM Author: Demanding senate athletic conference 1800000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030999) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:33 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary no his content is just awful and there is no point in him poasting here (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031002) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:32 PM Author: Demanding senate athletic conference lol u sound triggered as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030996) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:25 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary obviously education and upbringing matter in the overall picture of how smart someone is, but the lower your natural intelligence is the less of an effect education has on you. I'm not even saying natrual intelligence = iq, but its definitely a thing and it definitely matters, and its 100% genetic. You need both a certain baseline level of natural intelligence AND enough education in both quality and quantity to turn out smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030959) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:27 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy idk seems like the minnesota twin studies militate against this argument. when black babies were adopted by white high iq parents it seemed to have an impact when they were very young but by the time they were 17 or 18 had gone back to their race average (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030972) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:32 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary I don't understand how this goes against my argument. My argument is that in order for someone to turn out smart they need to have a certain base level of naturalintelligence (the higher that base level is, the more effect education has on them) + a good education and upbrining. Obviously the babies adopted by the parents didn't have a high enough natural intelligence, because they didn't turn out smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47030994) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:34 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy but there were enough babies in the study that some would have higher levels of "natural intelligence" and then they would receive some kind of benefit or "boost," no? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031005) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:37 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary no. my point is that none of them have enough natural intelligence which is why they don't get the boost. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031023) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:40 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy this seems dumb. what would be the threshold of "natural intelligence" where they get a boost?? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031044) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:44 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary i think you are misunderstanding my argument. its not a "boost". there is no "threshold" where "they" get a "boost". All im saying is that people in general are not only smart due to IQ. There are dumbfuck uneducated proles who get 130 iq scores. You need both a high iq and a good education in order to be smart. The people you are talking about don't have the genetics so they aren't going to turn out smart. Good genetics is a minimum requirement. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031060) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:47 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy wrong. a 130 iq person is going to be intelligent. there is not "turning out smart." if you're talking about who ends up being a rocket scientist or doctor, that wouldn't be "smart." the 130iq dude who smokes pot all day and watches cartoons would still be highly intelligent (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031071) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:36 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma "in order for someone to turn out smart they need to have a certain base level of naturalintelligence (the higher that base level is, the more effect education has on them) + a good education and upbrining"
Wrong.
Pretty much all comes down to genes absent serious neglect, abuse, etc. |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:39 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary nah thats not true. there are dumb as fuck proles who get high iq scores. just having a high iq isn't enough to make someone smart. education has a huge effect. it just doesnt have an effect on people who are dumb. of course genes is the most important part because if you don't have that then you are fucked. but genes isn't enough. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031038) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:42 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy nah this flies in the face of all the science and studies (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031052) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:46 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary No it doesn't. It really shouldn't be controversial. It is just obvious and true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031066) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:48 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy show me the dumbfuck proles who get high iq tests that aren't taken on some clickbait iq test. it just doesn't happen. you're argument is straight up retarded (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031078) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:49 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary uhhh yes it does happen idiot. i have seen it irl. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031088) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:50 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy oh cool anecdote, retard. how did you see it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031094) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:46 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma Just do make up your own definition of "smart" to fit your argument. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031070) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:49 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy cr. this guy is dumb as fuck. he keeps saying tons of dumbfucks score super high on iq tests but they're not "smart" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031083) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:50 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma He (probably she) probably thinks that some 110 IQ birdbrain with a mymasters and useless PHD are smarter than a 145 IQ electrician. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031097) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:53 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary no thats not what I think at all. so you think that two people, both with a 1500/1600 on the gre, one going to get their masters in Englsh, and the other going to get their PHD in physics are the same level of intelligence? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031109) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:57 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy yeah, pretty much. are you saying, all else being equal, "going to get" a certain degree makes one person more intelligent? you could say it's a wiser choice, or more practical, or something like that, but just because someone gets a degree in liberal arts vs. someone that gets a PHD in hard sciences doesn't affect their intelligence, just their applied knowledge (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031122) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:02 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary No, thats not what I'm saying. I'm saying that doing well on those tests is a MINIMUM REQUIREMENT to being "smart", not the definition of someones intelligence. Those tests are easy as fuck. At a decent school, everyone around you scored high on them, yet everyone is still varying levels of intelligence (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031134) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:05 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy nah i know you're trolling at this point. you're using "smart" or "intelligent" to mean anyone who gets a PHD in some hard science. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031147) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:51 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary there are dumbfucks who score high on iq tests. do you not have experience with iq tests irl? even if you don't have experience with iq tests irl you can see this just with regular standardized tests. there are dumb as fuck people who get 98th percentile on the SAT, GRE or whatever other test. Scoring good on those tests is a MINIMUM to be smart. It doesn't automatically make you smart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031103) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:53 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma ...using your fake definition of "smart" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031110) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:53 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy bullshit brah. to score in the 98th percentile of the sat you would have to have very strong math and verbal scores. i'm not saying that equates to genius level, but in no way can you describe that person as "not smart" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031111) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:55 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary nah fuck that. you can get 98th percentile on the SAT with 0 knowledge of calculus or any science. that doens't make you smart. two people with 1500 SAT scores where one becomes some english major female and the other becomes a physics major are not the same level of smartness. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031115) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:56 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma Why do I have a feeling that you're a grinder who is moderately successful despite a TTT LSAT & TTT law school because of your constant mega-grinding? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031116) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:58 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy this is probably the answer. i'm guessing a minority also (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031124) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:04 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary I'll admit that I am from one of the URM groups who often is accused of scoring low, but I did not score low myself. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031145) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:05 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy nice trolling, guy. i really thought you were incredibly stupid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031148) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:24 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary I felt the pressure building and knew I was running out of options, but I still think I shot my wad a bit too soon. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031208) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:27 PM Author: impertinent selfie theater stage but what a wad it was! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031218) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:00 PM Author: impertinent selfie theater stage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031126) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:32 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma "obviously education and upbringing matter in the overall picture of how smart someone is"
This is actually not true.
Basically doesn't matter at all absent serous abuse, malnutrition, etc. |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:35 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy this is my understanding. it's not like these iq tests are giving you calculus questions. i would guess there's some benefit in a good education in that some aspects would touch on logic and pattern recognition, but i think that effect is minor (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031016) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:37 PM Author: jade apoplectic friendly grandma Education can be great. But it doesnt make people smarter (except for some basic elementary shit). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031021) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:49 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary right so two people both score 130 iq, one drops out in middle school to become a homeless drug addict, the other goes onto get phd in physics, which person is "smarter"? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031084) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:51 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy they both are highly intelligent. one made bad decisions and the other made good ones. would you say that a well respected brain surgeon that gets addicted to drugs and ends up killing himself is not "smart" because of that? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031104) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:47 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary bro are you for real? I never said that education has an impact on iq test results. iq test results does not equal "how smart someone is". (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031072) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 7:49 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy what would be your metric of choice then? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031090) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:12 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary I think a well rounded assessment like that used at the Ivy League institutions should be in place that takes into account a persons education record, test scores, and adversity/background/URM status should be used. For instance, its obvious that a black student who scores 1300 on the SATs is smarter than a white student who does. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031171) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:14 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy can't believe i fell for your trolling for so many poasts. well done. you just pushed the boundaries of being unbelievable (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031182) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:20 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary threads like this remind me of the old days of xo. impossible to resist cooking up a flame (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031200) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:24 PM Author: Free-loading Shrine Really Tough Guy 180 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031211) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 8:06 PM Author: saffron learning disabled address probably not (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031151) |
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Date: November 7th, 2023 9:00 PM Author: Lilac painfully honest sanctuary (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47031374) |
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Date: November 23rd, 2023 11:43 PM Author: startled cracking clown 75% genetics, 25% curse from God for having sex on the ark (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5440940&forum_id=2#47092037) |