Abandoning Ukraine is politically impossible in practice
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Date: October 4th, 2023 3:59 PM Author: maroon trip filthpig pit
In theory, it's easy to say things like "why give money to Ukraine instead of to defend our own borders?"
In actual practice, when US aid actually stops going to Ukraine, Russia will almost immediately, and very visibly, start to win the war. Territory will be taken, drones will impact unimpeded in Ukrainian cities, and the media will be going 24-7 with a narrative of "this is all because Republicans abandoned Ukraine." Which will be accurate.
I doubt it even gets that far, but, if it does, there is zero chance that the House won't immediately pass aid for Ukraine, if necessary by going around the Speaker via a discharge petition. Over 65% of the members of the House support aid NOW, even before the above scenario comes to pass.
Any Russiamo trying to convince himself otherwise is delusional.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46884549) |
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Date: October 4th, 2023 5:55 PM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
lol cr
Well shit, guess we're gonna be doing this for the rest of time and/or until Russia collapses. That's just the way it's gonna be, anyone with half a brain can see that! Jews on XO agree about this!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885202) |
Date: October 4th, 2023 4:43 PM Author: Coiffed School Cafeteria
yea dood a country that saw a bunch of shoeless sandniggas in towelheads reconquer kabul wld be aghast if putin took kiev
i mean they are so focused on foreign affairs and totally not on gettin AIDS or worshipping nigga monkeys jumping up and down in some gay music video
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46884803) |
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Date: October 4th, 2023 7:37 PM Author: Aromatic Piazza
The fact remains that the wars mentioned above carried significant US casualties and faced vocal, widespread and fairly bipartisan opposition. Neither is the case with Ukraine. American’s appetite for warfare is inversely correlated with the cost in American casualties primarily and secondarily with financial expenditures.
And you’re right that Afghanistan was fairly safe prior to withdrawal, but American perception of the war remained colored by the carnage we witnessed in the 2 decades prior.
And putting all that aside, the conflicts you mention posed far greater financial and casualty tolls, and more public opposition, and still lasted a very long time.
If Trump wins, which is entirely possible, we might wind down support soon. Outside of that I don’t see the money spigot being turned off near term. But I’ve been wrong before so who knows.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885687) |
Date: October 4th, 2023 5:57 PM Author: beta travel guidebook
lol @ retards like Mandy and tmf comparing Ukraine to Vietnam and Afghanistan
this is contiguous Europe, and there’s zero chance that Kiev falls or is threatened without Poland and maybe other countries directly joining the fight
US abandoning Ukraine doesn’t end the war, just like it didn’t end the war when it pulled out of Iraq, but rather made it worse
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885207) |
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Date: October 4th, 2023 6:02 PM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
OK, let's see if you've finally figured out how "analogies" work:
Assume it's January 2024, and Mexico tries to enter into a formal defense alliance with China. America demands that this country with which it shares a 3,000+ mile southern border back down, and they refuse to do so. America subsequently invades Mexico on February 24, 2024, and China responds by starting to sending money and weapons over to Mexico so that Mexico can fight back. Protracted fighting ensues in Mexico.
In that hypothetical scenario, how long do you estimate it would take before America said, "OK fuck it, we give up... whatever Mexico, go ahead and enter into your defense alliance with China or whatever, who cares we'll stop this invasion"?
Follow-up question: Can you guess what the analogy is between that hypothetical scenario and the current IRL Russia-Ukraine (NATO) situation?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885236) |
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Date: October 4th, 2023 8:24 PM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
Wow so depending on how those questions are answered, you’re saying that America might just allow Mexico to enter into a formal mutual defense agreement with China and not wage war against Mexico to prevent that from happening until they were either totally destroyed or that plan got scuttled?
This is gonna shock you and you’ll probably call me a “total fucking retard,” but here we go — yeah, I don’t think that America would ever allow that to happen, regardless of how any of those questions are answered.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885839) |
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Date: October 7th, 2023 4:43 AM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
Are you talking about the shitty little gay island country that America infamously almost initiated a literal global nuclear war over, rather than simply allowing its geopolitical rival to set up a military outpost on it? Or are you talking about another country? I feel like you must be talking about another country, because there's no way you would be invoking this analogy in this context given that according to most historians, that particular pissing contest -- which, again, involved a tiny little island country that is FAR less geographically threatening to the US than Mexico (which actually shares a 3,000 mile long porous border with America, you know sort of like Ukraine does with Russia hmmmm) -- brought the world closer to nuclear armageddon than anything else before or since.
Hmmmmmmmmmm it's almost like America demonstrably has absolutely ZERO tolerance for shit like that, just like I said above!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46896269) |
Date: October 4th, 2023 6:01 PM Author: Beady-eyed mexican
if you wanted to argue that we can't ever give up because raytheon and the people it bribes control congress, sure.
but you out yourself as a kike or a hohol (redundant) if you think any normal american voter gives a shit if kiev is rolled over by t80s tomorrow afternoon.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885225)
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Date: October 4th, 2023 6:12 PM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
This is particularly rich coming from you, given that your beloved fellow XO Ukrainecel "Live Free Or Die" literally advocates NATO putting boots on the ground in Moscow tomorrow, "consequences be damned," and I've never once seen you disavow or disagree with those statements.
But now, suddenly, we need to carefully think through the possible repercussions and balance the risks, look this is serious shit man, we need to game out how this would all play out before we make any rash decisions?!
Lol fuck off Juan.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885321) |
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Date: October 6th, 2023 4:57 PM Author: charismatic rebellious senate water buffalo
To Be Fairer,
Nobody thought January 6 rioters were "laughingstock joke"
This is a pretty shit analogy, try again.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894410) |
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Date: October 4th, 2023 6:52 PM Author: beta travel guidebook
I said in Eastern Europe, you stupid fuckstick
how is this so hard for you when my words are right here ITT?
if Poland attacks Russia inside Ukraine then this doesn’t involve nato
let me know if I should write this in mandarin for you
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885509) |
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Date: October 4th, 2023 7:14 PM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
OK so we all just misunderstood what you obviously clearly said (since you were clear and we're a bunch of retards), and the rules of engagement that you were actually envisioning here are that all of the NATO countries can put boots on the ground in Ukraine... and Ukraine can use all of those NATO troops to defend itself, and, as you love crowing about, also launch direct attacks into Russia, of course, hehe...
...but Russia can't attack any of those NATO countries (because that would be an attack on NATO and you made it clear that we're NOT talking about that scenario), and also they should probably be a little wary of killing a bunch of troops from NATO countries even within Ukraine because idk man that starts to sound like it could be perceived as potentially being an attack against a NATO country (see above), especially once the surviving families of all of those troops start demanding that their government respond directly against Russia etc...?
Wow, this scenario sounds like it would be really good for NATO / Ukraine and really bad for Russia! One weird trick! But now I'm super confused... why haven't any of these NATO countries actually done this yet?!
Lmao
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885599) |
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Date: October 4th, 2023 6:34 PM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
Actual lmao, I guffawed
Can you explain to us, slowly and clearly, exactly what you think "NATO" is, why it was originally created, and how it is set up to function / operate?
Here's, let's start with this -- what does the term "NATO" stand for? (Hint: It's an "acronym".)
You can respond in Spanish if you need to, we want to make this easy for you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885422) |
Date: October 4th, 2023 6:12 PM Author: Poppy azn
Why would Congress ever stop? They are not accountable, are being enriched, and a sizable plurality of voters don’t want them to stop anyway.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885318)
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Date: October 4th, 2023 6:47 PM Author: Coiffed School Cafeteria
everyone in this thread shld be gassed. anyone who recites the word "ukraine" shld have a thermonucleur missile sent on their ass via drone
im sick of all this Slavic shit, vlade divac was enough we dont need this shit, just go kill urself in peace of others, we dont care
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885481) |
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Date: October 4th, 2023 8:07 PM Author: Beady-eyed mexican
ok, im going to call my travel agent and ask her to book me tickets to the pontic steppe then.
but if i see any slavic shitholes when i get there im going to be very pissed at you.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885776)
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Date: October 4th, 2023 7:22 PM Author: dashing stage rigpig
If we pulled out of Ukraine it would be forgotten about in 4 days, and if Russia took it over and Putin crowned himself King of Ukraine the US media wouldn’t bother to cover it.
Taylor Swift at the next KC game is a much bigger deal
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46885635) |
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Date: October 6th, 2023 5:26 PM Author: beta travel guidebook
if that’s true, then let the Ukrainians riot again
why invade? to hide the fact that Putin and his cronies are approaching a trillion in stolen wealth?
bootlicking corrupt fag you are
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894534) |
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Date: October 6th, 2023 5:28 PM Author: beta travel guidebook
before or after he tried multiple times to meet with Putin?
Putin wanted this war, no matter what, and so of course Z had to eventually get ready for that
in your fag mind the only way Ukraine could have avoided war was to elect Medvedzhyuk and surrender to Russia, which was never ever going to happen
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894547) |
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Date: October 7th, 2023 5:06 AM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
You forgot Afghanistan (even if they ultimately chose to abandon it after they dominated it, just like America would do decades later)... WWII... and in both of those cases, their wins were achieved by just throwing endless bodies into the meat grinder and eking out a slow and painful victory...
...hey, whoa, I'm starting to notice a pattern here...!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46896299) |
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Date: October 6th, 2023 5:16 PM Author: beta travel guidebook
wait, what country are you talking about?
Ukrainian is as close or closer to like 3-4 other Slavic languages than it is to Russian
not to mention that “Russia” stole their name from Ukraine
and got their religion/history from Ukraine
oh and Ukraine prefers fighting over democracy rather than having the same retarded dictator for 20+ years
other than that, they are totally the same
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894499) |
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Date: October 6th, 2023 5:37 PM Author: beta travel guidebook
posters know you’re a ratface and they can look them up on their own
the name “Russia” was only adopted in the 17th century, and Moscow didn’t even exist until several hundred years after Kievan Rus did
anyone who cares about the truth at all (ie not a Russaicuck) can draw the correct conclusions
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894583) |
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Date: October 6th, 2023 5:50 PM Author: Shimmering location
The weird emphasis on Moscow is bizarre. Moscow wasn't even the capital of Russia a few centuries ago (under the Tsars St. Petersburg was the capital). Ancient Rus starts with a city called Novgorod.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veliky_Novgorod
"In 882, Rurik's successor, Oleg of Novgorod, conquered Kiev and founded the state of Kievan Rus'."
So in other words, you had Oleg of Novgorod (which is around St. Petersburg) conquer Kiev and there he founded Kievan Rus. Now Ukrainian propagandists are pretending that somehow AKTUALLY Ukraine started Russia. That's not how it went.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_the_Wise
Oleg (Old East Slavic: Ѡлегъ, Ольгъ;[5][6] Old Norse: Helgi; died 912),[7] known as Oleg the Wise,[a] Oleg of Novgorod, or Oleg of Kiev,[8][9][10][11] was a Varangian prince of the Rus' who became prince of Kiev and laid the foundations of the Kievan Rus' state.[12] According to the Primary Chronicle, he succeeded his "kinsman" Rurik as ruler of Novgorod, and subdued many of the East Slavic tribes to his rule, extending his control from Novgorod to the south along the Dnieper river."
So this guy was a Rus prince (Rus as in "Russian") who conquered Ukraine. Maybe if you understood basic Russia/Ukrainian history you would know this but since you have Central American roots and aren't from the region at all you can be somewhat forgiven.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894632)
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Date: October 7th, 2023 4:48 AM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
TDNW will FIGHT TO THE DEATH to distinguish his blonde beautiful gorgeous brilliant "basically Aryan" ex-prostitute Ukrainian wife from those disgusting sick subhuman filthy mudblooded Mongolian Russian fucks with whom she shares 99.99999999% of her DNA (literally genetically identical on a 23andMe test).
Well, like, you know -- not literally or anything... I mean, after a year and half of refusing to pick up a gun despite living in Kiev and despising Russians, it's pretty clear he won't literally "fight to the death" for anything. But you know, metaphorically on the internet, using a keyboard as he sits in his pajamas in the living room? Oh you better believe it!
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46896276) |
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Date: October 6th, 2023 5:30 PM Author: Shimmering location
The beauty of this conflict is that everyone dying is my people. Ukraine is simply being exterminated thanks to idiots like you. Congrats I guess? Many of my people are fucking idiots, of course. Others have zero choice in anything.
And after this war is over, Russia will have a Ukraine with no infrastructure. Here's what happened yesterday: https://twitter.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1710164463767502902
This happens every day.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894556)
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Date: October 6th, 2023 5:34 PM Author: beta travel guidebook
Oh, I started this war? you and your rat haired wife rooted this war on, so the blood is on your hands. the biggest idiots are backwards mongrels like you
I’m just helping to kill invaders and support the Ukrainian state, and that’s not going to stop for years and years
keep an eye on Crimea, champ
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894571) |
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Date: October 6th, 2023 5:41 PM Author: Shimmering location
I said thanks to idiots like you, not you alone. I understand that you're some poor that has zero influence on anything in this world.
You're not helping anyone do anything. You're a dumb propagandist that is cheering on a huge number of Ukrainians dying. Safe in the US, of course. No skin off your back. In fact, you get paid to do this!
Oh this stupid bullshit again? I thought propagandists were promising a beach party in Crimea last summer. But no, Ukraine made pitiful progress on anything (and over the course of the summer lost more land than it gained). Meanwhile, Russia has been bombing the crap out of Ukraine and preparing for an offensive.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46894601) |
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Date: October 7th, 2023 4:54 AM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
"I’m just helping to kill invaders"
Oh really? Can you elaborate on exactly how you're doing that? Because so far, for the last ~18 months, all I've seen you do is spend 10-12 hours every single day angrily yet impotently shitpoasting on XO.
That backdrop kinda makes me think you *objectively* don't even have time in your life to be doing much of anything meaningful to "help[] kill invaders," but maybe you can set me straight and finally clear the record for everyone on XO who is wondering by spelling out exactly what you, personally, have been and are still doing to "help[] kill invaders"?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46896283) |
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Date: October 12th, 2023 3:22 PM Author: rusted juggernaut theatre
To be fair,
Close, good job. Forgot to mention that this clip is bullshit because, er, uh... it makes Russiatards happy. Yeah(?). Anyway, Four Pinnochios, disregard!
http://autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5425656&mc=63&forum_id=2
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46925766) |
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Date: October 26th, 2023 7:46 PM Author: maroon trip filthpig pit
You fucking moron, all Dems support it and the Republican House Speaker just said he will get it done. If it's in its own bill, fine.
How delusional are you people?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5419335&forum_id=2#46988001)
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