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Anyone have a site with a tally of the Alito cloture vote?
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Date: January 30th, 2006 4:49 PM Author: disgusting mediation C-Span isn't keeping track. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948724) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 4:53 PM Author: Excitant wild main people People aren't sure what the cloture vote will be, but people fully expect him to pass cloture. He already has 57 confirmed "yes" votes, and they need at least three more to vote for cloture. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948758) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 4:59 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression isn't there a difference between "yes for Alito votes" and "yes for cloture" votes? Or is that what you meant - they already has 57 votes for cloture? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948814) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:01 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad 57 real yes votes, plus I have heard at least 5-10 dems who will vote no, vote for cloiture - like my man dan inouye. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948830) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:02 PM Author: Geriatric cruise ship pistol That "will vote no for alito, will vote for cloiture" is killing the dems chances at filibustering (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948841) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:03 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad imagine, senators wanting a chance to vote for or against a nominee! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948850) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:04 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression imagine. the idea that people might want to further debate this wretched ideologue!!! the nerve! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948858) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:05 PM Author: Excitant wild main people Yes, their intention is to further debate, not impose the will of the minority on the majority. Everyone's gotten their chance to weigh in on Alito, and Americans support his confirmation by 2-1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948873) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:10 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression were he forthright in his answers about his intentions re abortion, americans would be against his nomination by almost 2-1. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948906) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Blinding insight. It's manifest from Alito's history that he'll stop at nothing to overturn Roe v. Wade. Nothing! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948930) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression yes. we know that. we follow this shit. they poll assholes who have no idea what any of this means. if they understood the ramifications, you wouldn't see a 2-1 in favor. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948934) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:12 PM Author: Excitant wild main people How do you know his actual intentions re abortion? Dems beefed up the whole '85 job application, and he took the line that he would not commit to overruling (or upholding) that precedent before a case comes before him. Seems people are fine with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948931) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:14 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression Bush nominated him and the wingnuts were filled with glee. The same could not be said for Miers, who was a bit more wishy washy... obviously in addition to being utterly unqualified. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948946) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:17 PM Author: Excitant wild main people The wingnuts were filled with glee, but you think that some damning evidence would be found to support the notion that they somehow know he'll overturn Roe (which is unlikely since they don't have five votes to do so). They seemed glad to have a mainstream conservative jurist being promoted to the bench, there was no "ROE PWNED!" consensus forming. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948978) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression HA! You can't be serious. You don't think the right wing sees this as a CRUCIAL step to getting rid of Roe? Amazing. Just amazing. Fuck me. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948996) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:21 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Doesn't matter. The (wingnut) right saw Souter as a cruical step at the time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949009) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:25 PM Author: Lavender 180 locus dopamine yea, but they are much more careful now... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949040) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:21 PM Author: Excitant wild main people I'm sure they're confident that he'll vote against it. But again, this is an awfully flimsy disqualifier. "Alito's supporters think he'll overturn Roe! We must filibuster!" Think about what precedent that would set.
Is it possible that abortion isn't the make-it-break-it issue for the American public when it comes to a Supreme Court justice? Falling back on the ignorance of the average American, as you did above, is a decidedly weak argument for your position. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:23 PM Author: Emerald territorial point The American public has shown itself to be either apathetic toward or actively in favor of the 'erosion' of the rights created in Roe. Shocking that most people don't actually want abortion on demand. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949025) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:24 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression It's just the most obvious example. What about being spied on? What about the president getting vastly greater powers than the Constitution affords him? Abortion strikes a nerve in everyone, whether or not they pay close attention to this shit, but having this guy on teh court will fuck our country in the long run in ways far more important than fucking killing babies. Jesus. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949034) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:28 PM Author: Excitant wild main people al Qaeda members aren't on my speed dial, nor is he for most Americans, which is why the NSA wiretap issue has been a nonstarter for Democrats and Bush is polling around 50% now. Plus, the whole "unitary executive" concept that Alito supposedly favors isn't nearly as ominous as Kennedy, et al, make it out to be. If the wiretapping issue hadn't recently reared its head, they would barely be making a peep out of it. You have to accept that the Dems were flailing for some reason, any reason, to vote against the obviously qualified and likeable Alito. I'm not surprised someone so blindly faithful has bought the line so easily. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949061) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:31 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression dude, i haven't bought the line. i think he's a very worthy candidate. but not to replace a swing vote. he's more clarence thomas than sandra day o'connor.
if he wanted to replace anotehr asshole with this asshole, fine. that's not what we're dealing with.
academically, i recognize that he's "qualified" and "likeable" (although I have no fucking idea why likeability matters two shits.) that doesnt' mean he's a worthy replacement under the circumstances. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:35 PM Author: Excitant wild main people The court's balance is irrelevant, and it's to be expected that a two-term president will probably be able to nominate two SCOTUS justices during his tenure. No one griped when Ginsburg replaced Byron White, and current events are immaterial for a lifetime appointment of whom you admit is an obviously qualified nominee.
Edit: Also, do you really think Miers would be less supportive of Bush's war powers than Alito were she confirmed? |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:38 PM Author: Emerald territorial point No way. He's the coolest guy ever! let him do what he wants. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949150) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:39 PM Author: Excitant wild main people When Miers got nominated, I seriously began reconsidering my decision to attend law school. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949156) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:42 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Heh. It sure pissed off the conservative intelligensia. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949191) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:39 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression you're probably right. i give up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949158) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:41 PM Author: Excitant wild main people It's not that bad, Kennedy is now the swing vote instead of O'Connor. If Stevens or Ginsburg keels over in the next few years, then you should really start worrying. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949173) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:41 PM Author: Emerald territorial point This is probably true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949179) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:41 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression I think the odds on Stevens croaking are pretty solid. Not to mention I am in no way confident about getting a dem in office in 2008. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949181) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:44 PM Author: Excitant wild main people Support Mark Warner. He's the only candidate with decent odds of breaking the Republicans' southern stronghold, unless he goes up against George Allen.
It's sad that our presidents all have to come from hick states. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:45 PM Author: Lavender 180 locus dopamine After seeing the disgrace that was john kerry and howard dean, i'm ok with the hicks. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949227) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:47 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Fucking A. The "have a beer with" test rules. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949248) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:51 PM Author: Excitant wild main people Go for a Californian. Or a midwesterner. Or someone from the northeast who didn't either:
A) Use Vietnam to jumpstart his political career before marrying an aloof billionaire.
B) Renounce his religion because his church opposed constructing a bike path.
I've known plenty of qualified New Englanders, there has to be better. |
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Date: February 1st, 2006 2:13 AM Author: Lavender 180 locus dopamine I am a pretty hard lefty, with a few moderate leanings. Even I had some serious difficulty voting for John Kerry. I honestly didn't think he was fit to be president and would do some pretty horrible things. The only reason I voted for him was because Bush was scaring me with this good v. evil garbage. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4963079) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:36 PM Author: Emerald territorial point "but not to replace a swing vote." Is the most annoying line in the dems arsenal. There is no mandate, constitutional or political, for the court to have a certain ideological mix. If anything, Bush's victory indicates that Americans want a more conservative court. That's what we'll be getting. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:33 PM Author: Emerald territorial point The Dems looked pathetic, perhaps marginally pro-terror, in bringing up the NSA issue at the hearings. I see it as a problem too, but opposition doesn't play well in Peoria. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949109) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:57 PM Author: swashbuckling amber theater stage "but having this guy on teh court will fuck our country in the long run in ways far more important than fucking killing babies"
Until people like you realize that there is /nothing/ more impotrant that the lives on children then you will get no support from people like me (i.e., average joe). |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:28 PM Author: wonderful amethyst dilemma at least you're the most suited to debate this here.
But you're still wrong. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:10 PM Author: Emerald territorial point "debate this wretched ideologue"
Fucking brilliant. Got anything else? |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:11 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression no. that about sums it up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948922) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:15 PM Author: Geriatric cruise ship pistol Right, the dems purpose is not to "filibuster" but to "further debate the 'idealogue'"
If you're going to be blatantly usurping the senate floor to further your aims of tabling a supreme court justice, at least go ahead and be honest about it. Don't cloak it in terms of "furthering debate" just to make your move more palatable to the American public. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:16 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression the american public is not as pro-confirmation as you'd like to think.
http://bobgeiger.blogspot.com/2006/01/polls-left-alito-filibuster-wide-open.html |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:36 PM Author: Beady-eyed primrose ratface office "the idea that people might want to further debate this wretched ideologue!"
Congressional debate is a sham. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:37 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression but it's a constitutionally enumerated sham (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949138) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:39 PM Author: Beady-eyed primrose ratface office The constitutional burden has been met. You presumably want more debate for substantive reasons. Congressional debate has only the facade of substance. Your reasons won't be satisfied. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949163) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:40 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression I lose. America loses. Oh well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949167) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:07 PM Author: Geriatric cruise ship pistol Exactly. It's pretty ridiculous that they actually need to start a motion for cloiture, but you can bet that the senate democratic leadership is fuming at the "rebel" senators right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948889) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:19 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Yes, the dems behaviour throughout Alito's nomination has tended to make them look pretty bad. As long as he's intellectually honest, the opposition based on ideology doesn't really make sense. The repubs hold the presidency and the majority of congress for a reason, after all. There are other issues that are far more important than this one, and the filibusterers are painting the entire party with a sore-loser brush. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4948997) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:22 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression I don't think there's a single issue more important than this right now.
This impacts everything about everything. Fuck. Bush can break the law and ideologue judges will say it's somehow in his war powers, or if not there somewhere else. Yeah, that's not activism... Brilliant. Thanks, wingnuts. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:23 PM Author: Excitant wild main people Maybe they're right? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949027) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:25 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression No righter than the activism in Roe. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949035) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:29 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Come on. The lines drawn in Roe are out of left field. On the other hand, the AUMF isn't a declaration of war. . . (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949073) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:28 PM Author: Emerald territorial point I'm a lot more concerned about possible over-deference to executive power than I am about Roe. And honestly I couldn't tell from his answers whether Alito was too far in the pale on this one. It's really enough for me that he is considered intellectually honest by his colleagues on the 3d. If he is a wingnut on war powers, I doubt he'll tip the balance since we're probably already fucked in that regard. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949057) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:32 PM Author: Excitant wild main people Credited. No one gave a fuck when liberal minority members of the 3rd circuit testified in his favor, discrediting the opaque notion of his bigotry and intolerance that various committee members and witnesses with little relation to Alito suggested. Unless one is reflexively against anyone Bush nominates and conservatives support, it's difficult to find him as evil as people like NicoBlue make him out to be. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949103) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:34 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression I was very much pro-Miers.
not really. |
Date: January 30th, 2006 5:14 PM Author: Emerald territorial point I love it when sports metaphors get out of hand: http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=60118 |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:37 PM Author: Beady-eyed primrose ratface office Speaking of sports metaphors, http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=309910&mc=15&forum_id=2 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949146) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:24 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad How long does it take to count these fucking votes?! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949033) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:25 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression fuck you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949037) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:25 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad I'll pray for you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949041) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:34 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression nice MVP award, douchebag. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949119) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:37 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad which one? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949144) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:38 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression i only saw one. dude, you're 6'3. what are you doing in a league like that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949155) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:40 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad 1) its free.
2) most NYC leagues have too many 6'3 black guys who are guards and I am not good enough to be competative. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:42 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression 20 boards in one game. impressive. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949189) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:47 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression Is that the firm you're with now? How do you still post? Aren't you scared? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949249) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:54 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad Not to brag, but I was MVP in 2 leagues and 2 tournaments in the last 2 years, so I have no idea which you are talking about. Again they were asian leagues, so its not all that. Its not for my firm, but if I was wearing a blue firm jersey, that was just for a day and I am not working for that firm anymore, anyhow. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949323) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:57 PM Author: violet irradiated background story indirect expression are you with a firm? don't you worrya bout posting? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949342) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 6:00 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad no because I am not that offensive anymore, and I have never and will never admit my identity on this board. Worst comes to worst there will be a HACKED ACCOUNT with a bunch of deleted posts. oh well. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949369) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:26 PM Author: Pearly big step-uncle's house factory reset button Speculation. http://volokh.com/archives/archive_2006_01_29-2006_02_04.shtml#1138659885 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949042) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:27 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad wow, you stay on top of this shit. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949056) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:40 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Serious discussion of a state being "purple" cracks me up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949171) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:42 PM Author: Excitant wild main people It is kinda ridiculous, but the whole "red state/blue state" dichotomy is extremely misleading, as there's only a handful of states that voted for Bush, have a Republican governor, and two Republican senators (and same for their "blue" equivalents). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949187) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:47 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Misleading and fucking tedious. And by your metric, WA should be blue (if only by a nose). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949239) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:30 PM Author: Pale offensive juggernaut police squad 72-25 pwn3d. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949083) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:42 PM Author: Emerald territorial point Cool. Now these dems can later say they voted for Alito before they voted against him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949185) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:47 PM Author: Lavender 180 locus dopamine I think they just voted so you guys could finally shut up already. This outcome was known for weeks, but somehow its helped bush stay high in the polls for months. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949240) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:48 PM Author: Emerald territorial point How has this outcome helped Bush stay high? People want to back a winner? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949257) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:50 PM Author: Lavender 180 locus dopamine because the news orgs can obsessively talk about the one thing that is apparently going well for Bush, rather than about all the other shit that isn't. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949272) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:54 PM Author: Excitant wild main people Reid probably would have been more savvy to let Alito get confirmed right before Christmas, when no one has time to watch the news, instead of the day of Bush's state of the union address. I understand they needed the time to dig up as much dirt as possible, but he should have known that Republicans had vetted Alito's past extensively and knew nothing would pop up. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949316) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 5:57 PM Author: Geriatric cruise ship pistol Democrats got thoroughly worked over. You know it's a problem when Senator "KKK" Byrd gets up in a meeting and decries the Democrats who opposed Alito as being "without dignity"
Fan-fucking-tastic, as far as I'm concerned. |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 6:00 PM Author: Galvanic Cruel-hearted Gunner Anyone have the roll call? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949365) |
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Date: January 30th, 2006 6:20 PM Author: Excitant wild main people http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00001 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=349573&forum_id=2#4949529) |
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