A farewell to XO: Why I am leaving and you should too
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Date: June 16th, 2020 12:33 PM Author: buck-toothed stimulating trailer park fat ankles
I don't remember exactly when I started posting here. I never posted on the Princeton Review board and wasn't part of the initial exodus from there to here. But I've been around since shortly thereafter -- sometime during the second Bush term. I've posted on-and-off ever since. I used to post primarily with community accounts. In recent years, after community accounts became unworkable, I've posted mostly with punctuation monikers. I've never been to an IRL meet-up. I've mostly just been one of the hundreds or thousands of nondescript anonymous posters making up the background hum of this place.
This will be my last post. I thought I would take the opportunity to reflect.
When I first discovered XO, I was in love. For those who weren't here, it is hard to capture just how great this place was in its golden age. Like today, the board was very active and essentially unmoderated. Unlike today, the quality of the user-base was off-the-charts. It was basically a giant cross-section of the mid-2000s 20-something meritocracy.
We had whole contingents of people who were undergrads, law students, or Ph.D students at Harvard, Stanford, Yale, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, etc. Any thread about happenings at those schools would invariably draw scores of posts from people who were clearly "on the ground." We had people making millions in Silicon Valley (including, obviously, the guy who coded this place). We had associates at essentially every elite law firm (want a candid, gossipy take on what's going on behind the scenes lately at, say, DPW? Just post a thread!). We had people in investment banking with a first-row seat to the financial crisis. We had successful people in creative fields. These people were also from wildly diverse backgrounds. We had people from elite boarding schools, NYC Prep-for-Prep kids, people from elite public schools, and people from shitty public schools in "are country." Just off the top of my head, I can think of prominent posters who were white women, white men, black women, black men, asian women, asian men, Indian women, Indian men, hispanic women, hispanic men. People from a variety of countries. Jewish, gentile, gay, straight, whatever. We've had some famous or soon-to-be-famous posters as well.
This incredible cross-section of smart, accomplished, people was involved in a raucous 24/7 free-for-all conversation about everything under the sun: the inner workings of elite institutions; how to get ahead; sex, dating and the 20-something social scene; philosophy; politics; gender relations; race relations; should I take this job?; should I move to this city?; should I marry this person?; should I have a kid?; should I get a divorce?; should I kill myself?; what people were REALLY thinking beneath all the pretense and bullshit. People were intentionally irreverant, outrageous, offensive, provocative. It was like a constant all-night college bull session, except bigger, even less inhibited, and joined by a wildly more diverse cross-section of people than populate the usual dorm room. The combination of (1) the quality and diversity of the people here, and (2) their candidness and inhibition, made discussion endlessly fascinating. It was truly intoxicating, at least for me.
But things have changed, and it is time to accept that.
First, the board has changed. In the simplest sense, it is a cautionary tale about what inevitably happens to every unmoderated discussion forum. A lack of moderation and commitment to radical free speech inevitably attract people who's ideas (or personality defects) are not tolerated elsewhere. Over time, a critical mass of these people builds up and scares away a significant portion of the normal good people. Then you are left with a board that is dominated by paranoid schizophrenics, out-and-out racists, etc. That is essentially what happened here.
There is no doubt that this board has always reveled in being politically incorrect. Even in the golden age, that was part of the scene. But the tenor has changed. For example, there has always been tons of irreverent racial humor, etc. But, in the old days, it was generally always witty and not mean-spirited. I've seen someone else say it was the kind of stuff an "edgy" stand-up comedian might say and get a mix of laughs and horrified gasps. That sounds right. Now, the board is constantly cluttered with unironic, unfunny, mean- spirited, racist bullshit.
Likewise, the board has always been hospitable to non-PC political arguments. We used to have long threads debating hot button issues (gay marriage, affirmative action, abortion, stop-and-frisk, whatever) where you could throw out and explore third-rail arguments that were not well-tolerated in the elite liberal schools and institutions where most of us dwelled IRL. Maybe women are underrepresented in STEM because, in the aggregate, fewer women than men enjoy those fields and that's OK? Maybe the Bloomberg- era stop-and-frisk program actually was helping to reduce crime, and racial disparities were explained by the NYPD properly focusing on the most crime-plagued areas? More recently -- maybe there is reasonable doubt and George Zimmerman should be found not guilty? I honestly don't know the answer to any of these questions for sure. But they were worth debating and were debated spiritedly here. And they were debated with sophistication and good humor and with people on both sides. But no longer. Now we have posters unironically ranting about the "jewish conspiracy" and linking to legit white supremacist garbage, etc. We have for some time. The remaining posters who are liberal or more centrist seem to, for the most part, no longer have the energy to even engage.
There was always over-the-top racist shit in the background. Mostly people spamming threads with all-caps racial slurs in the titles, etc...... basically using the board like the bathroom wall in a dirty college bar. But it was in the background and you could ignore it. It just came with the territory of being on an unmoderated board. People of our generation who came up using internet message boards in the pre-social media era were used to tuning that stuff out. But now, the shit that was in the background has come to dominate the foreground.
Things started to change after the Yale Law lawsuit, which understandably scared away a lot of good people. But there was still a critical mass of good posting in the years following that. Things didn't really start their tail-spin to our current predicament until a few years ago. Hard to say exactly why. It is probably some combination of (1) the contingent that was here for the golden age slowly becoming less and less active and whittling away; and (2) more outsiders attracted by the lack of moderation coming here for the express purpose of spewing alt-right shit not tolerated on other forums.
No doubt there are still a lot of good people left here from the good old days. And you see other familiar faces pop-up irregularly, particularly when there is a thread about some old poster having a major life-event. Those are nice threads. And there are still good threads about legal practice (even if we've moved from a focus on biglaw to a focus on CSLG-style personal injury practice), career-strategy, parenting, etc. Those are also nice threads.
But it is becoming increasingly clear that I cannot stick around and post in the "nice" threads when they are like flotsam in a sea of unhinged garbage. The recent upheavals stemming from the murder of George Floyd have put an exclamation point on that realization.
Which brings me to my second point: as the board has changed, the world has also changed. When XO was founded, mainstream social media didn't exist yet. The people who posted on XO were largely older millennials who came of age using the internet in the Wild West era of the late 90s and very early 00s. In those days, using an internet "message board" was a pretty niche activity with unique norms. The "real world" and the internet were totally separate. The vast majority of all human communication was happening in person, over the phone, through traditional forms of media, etc. Internet communities were a different, compartmentalized, realm. Anonymity and free speech reigned supreme. As a result, people used internet communities to, among other things, "try on" different personalities, explore taboo subjects, play devil's advocate, and throw out controversial ideas (whether you actually believed them or not) just to see how people would react. You knew the people you were interacting with were doing the same thing. You were used to seeing shocking shit and brushing it off. You could just log out, forget all the bullshit you were debating online, and live IRL. That was very much the spirit that ruled XO in its early days and, for a lot of people (including myself to an extent), it seems to continue to be the prevailing spirit here.
But the evolution of the internet and society over the last 15-20 years has changed things significantly. For one, the internet and the "real world" are no longer separate. The internet IS the real world. It is where most human communication occurs. As a result, I think our generation (the older millennials who formed the bulk of the user base here during the golden age) is sandwiched between two generations with fundamentally different understandings of internet communication. The generation behind us never lived in a world where the internet and IRL were separate. They had Facebook accounts under their real names at age 12. All of their adolescent socialization happened online. Our elders (and many of our contemporaries) didn't really use the internet until after IRL and the Internet converged. They too started "posting" on the internet when they got a Facebook account under their real name in 2007-2010.
These people will NEVER truly understand the free-for-all spirit that prevailed in the wild west days. They will not understand how you could continue to use a message board to post about your job, sports, your family, etc. and just tune-out the fact that every third thread is some kind of deranged paranoid-schizo or racist spam. They will not understand why you would post something to the internet that you don't actually believe, just to be provocative and gauge the reaction. They will not understand how or why you would share an account with someone you don't even know. They will not understand the ironic spirit in which you "lol"'d or blank bumped in response to some deranged shit that would rightfully horrify you if you heard someone say it outloud.
If you are still posting here, you should take a step back and ask whether YOU find this stuff understandable or whether you are inexplicably continuing to post in a spirit that made sense in the clubby confines of XO 10-15 years ago but is, for good reason, now anachronistic. Maybe you are a frog in a pot that has slowly boiled over the last decade. If so, you should jump out now.
Consider the current environment. The country is undergoing a great awakening to racist injustices throughout society. Maybe you should take this opportunity to consider whether continuing to post here is morally defensible at all, even if you aren't posting the deranged shit? I don't think it is defensible, which is why I am leaving.
If you aren't moved morally, maybe you should consider practical concerns. I think the current racial-justice movement is going to lead to a lot of good -- important police reforms, hopefully efforts to remedy longstanding economic injustices, etc. But the movement also includes some excesses. There are a lot of Twitter Robspierres hunting for "racists" to ruin. There is a not insignificant chance that this site will eventually come under attack. And, as discussed above, people are not going to "get" your explanations and defenses for posting here.
Really, Rach should just shut this place down for good. We had a great run. Let's cherish the memories of the hey-day. There was a time and place when this board made sense and was awesome. But that time is gone. The board has changed and the world has changed. It is time to move on. Maintaining the board no longer makes sense. Indeed, sadly, the continued existence of the board and its archives is probably a threat to all the good people who have posted here over the last 15 years in the irreverent and provocative spirit that once made sense but no longer does.
If you are a good person and keep posting, I personally think you are crazy. But best of luck. If you are one of the deranged folks who have ruined this place over the last several years, fuck you.
Take care.
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Date: June 16th, 2020 12:44 PM Author: High-end hall
I know "lengthy screed" was in the title. I feel like it was a law prof maybe.
EDIT: I think this might be it: http://www.xoxohth.com/thread.php?thread_id=515885&forum_id=2
Also, lol, it says back in 2006 there were 6000 threads posted per day on this bort.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428419) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 12:38 PM Author: Mewling telephone cruise ship
Consider the current environment. The country is undergoing a great awakening to racist injustices throughout society. Maybe you should take this opportunity to consider whether continuing to post here is morally defensible at all, even if you aren't posting the deranged shit? I don't think it is defensible, which is why I am leaving.
Lol faggot. Good riddance. Go kneel to some blacks.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428377) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 12:39 PM Author: vigorous big-titted regret plaza
holy fuck I just attempted to read this, lmao
How was DeVry University pumo
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428379) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 12:42 PM Author: slippery motley patrolman
"Consider the current environment. The country is undergoing a great awakening to racist injustices throughout society. Maybe you should take this opportunity to consider whether continuing to post here is morally defensible at all, even if you aren't posting the deranged shit? I don't think it is defensible, which is why I am leaving."
What's morally indefensible about posting on xo? Posting on xo was morally defensible up until the point you decided to quit, now it's no longer so?
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428396) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 12:46 PM Author: Electric lemon school
"We had people making millions in Silicon Valley (including, obviously, the guy who coded this place)."
lol at gooks jizzing their pants of being able to sniff some MIT dude's farts. Boondocks was a nice guy but was also a boring aloof dipshit who never said anything particularly funny or insightful.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428436) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 12:47 PM Author: turquoise clown property
You're right, of course.
But here's what you failed to consider: I'm addicted.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428450) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 12:48 PM Author: stirring locale windowlicker
This guy (who may or may not be JJC) wrote out what we've heard 1000x here over the years, including shit like "Omg, it is racist now and it used to be racist but it was a different kind of racist but now it is NOT OK." Protip: it used to be Jews, Asians and mixes thereof talking shit along with a few other "ethnics" (pretty much never normal white Americans) and still is.
This is probably one pumo of certain shitlib posters (note that only other shitlibs like Rudolph are supporting this). I would be fine with them retiring, but the chances of that are almost zero. For one, pretty much no one that writes a screed like this actually ends up retiring after. People who retire just stop posting.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428461) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 12:51 PM Author: Sepia Spectacular Lodge Double Fault
"The country is undergoing a great awakening to racist injustices throughout society."
Completely disagree with this. The country is undergoing a massive witch hunt that is the antithesis of what this country should be all about. XO is one of few places on the internet where you can object to this insanity without fear of losing your job (for now).
If the complete elimination of public discourse doesn't scare you, I'm afraid to say they've gotten to you and I would encourage you NOT to leave here
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428485)
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Date: June 16th, 2020 1:08 PM Author: Stubborn prole
Good post here and most of the stuff said was dead-on, especially the 7th paragraph re: lack of moderation and who it tends to attract and ultimately then drive away.
Lost steam as it ended though. Given the current social media climate, having a different mostly anonymous place to have inane discussions is pretty valuable to me.
I do think if people dialed it down a notch on the nastiness when it comes to politics there’d be more posters engaging in dialogue. No one wants an echo chamber here right?
IDK. OP gives a lot to think about.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428614) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 3:19 PM Author: Azure meetinghouse jap
, explained swordmo.
But yeah, you used to be willing to admit you poasted here to friends. When I taught the LSAT, I literally wrote xoxohth.com on the whiteboard on the first day of class, along with lawschoolnumbers.com.
Now I tell people I'm not familiar with it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429755) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 9:53 PM Author: garnet macaca love of her life
no laptops? what kind of stupid shit is that?
one time me and MPP were looking at guesshermuff.com in the back of evidence and one of the more sheltered lawshrews got disgusted lol
MPP if you're still lurking here (lol come on i know you're still lurking here) those were good times. i miss drinking whiskey during our ethics exam too.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40432487) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 6:26 PM Author: naked parlour french chef
i agree. it's the combination of the level of nastiness here (which is not confined to just cons (or libs)) and the virulent style of echo chamber racism that is ruining this place. i'm not without my prejudices and i'm open to discussing topics like race realism, but there is a significantly loud contingent of poasters here that are really psychotic and/or hateful who seemingly have zero respect for their average fellow man.
i generally have very little patience or respect for your average BLM lib, but then i come on XO and i start to wonder if they don't have a point if this is how many people perceive of black americans on the whole.
honestly, this place really started going to shit once Halford died/disappeared. Yeah, Halford styled himself as a racist, but he was a good-natured, fun-loving guy who brought people together over his silly quasi-gay shtick and prodigious content creation. there really isn't any humor here anymore outside of Vonoskar (who is admittedly brilliant) or Luis poasting "I'm gay".
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430854) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 1:10 PM Author: vivacious brunch affirmative action
Yeah.
I suppose I still linger for the rare thread that has a meaningful discussion going on. I weaned myself off this forum a few times but then comes an election or, this year, COVID-19, and you want to hear different views and frankness that you can't find elsewhere, so I pop back.
It's refreshing to see people cut the bullshit and say things that everyone knows but will never admit IRL. I don't pretend to have the higher moral ground or the perfect beliefs either. I'm not brave enough to be Tucker Carlson.
But I am bothered by the paranoid racism and anti-semitism and bigotry that rises to the surface too many times. I don't know how Nutella puts up with the tirades and screeds against her. Real shitheads and neo-nazis do populate these threads. It's a damn shame given the sheer about of hypocritical virtue signaling and shut the debates activists these days and their enablers and how society has become afraid to have a meaningful discussion on the real meaning of freedom and free speech and tolerance and liberty.
It would be great if Rach shut down the site for good.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428628) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 1:31 PM Author: effete talking center
The country is undergoing a great awakening to racist injustices throughout society.
lol
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428792) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 1:44 PM Author: Thriller tanning salon
Nice try but this won't work:
These people will NEVER truly understand the free-for-all spirit that prevailed in the wild west days. They will not understand how you could continue to use a message board to post about your job, sports, your family, etc. and just tune-out the fact that every third thread is some kind of deranged paranoid-schizo or racist spam. They will not understand why you would post something to the internet that you don't actually believe, just to be provocative and gauge the reaction. They will not understand how or why you would share an account with someone you don't even know. They will not understand the ironic spirit in which you "lol"'d or blank bumped in response to some deranged shit that would rightfully horrify you if you heard someone say it outloud.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428922) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 1:45 PM Author: sienna territorial indian lodge
this is one of the best posts i've read on here
as someone who joined in the 2000s, i agree with you 1000%
your post on zimmerman really hit home. i was called a racist and conservative by ivy elites here back in the day for being pro zimmerman. BUT, it was different. I was challenged intelligently and we had a really good conversation. People actually ENGAGED instead of just spamming some adlib no-brainer "fuck libs" and the n word or something something jews.
today i'm called a lib simply because i don't want to be unabashedly racist, and for wanting the same engagement without immediate vitriol.
it's sad and time to say goodbye.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428933) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 2:13 PM Author: Well-lubricated Domesticated Pocket Flask
"as someone who joined in the 2000s"
"what's a ttsef? i went to a top 10 ugrad lol"
both cannot be true
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429142)
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Date: June 16th, 2020 2:18 PM Author: sienna territorial indian lodge
we used TTT back in the day, never saw ttsef
and had a bunch of upenn penn state jokes
remember NYCFan?
i can go on...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429189) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 2:01 PM Author: sienna territorial indian lodge
i agree with that and again, many reasons why i'm pro trump, pro zimmerman.
but look at the hate above and below, the current meta is just to shit on anyone the second they try to lean a bit in the middle or aren't as "alt right" as themselves.
"kill yourself, oh ur a faggot, fuck u lib" blah blah blah.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429066) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 1:48 PM Author: contagious corner codepig
good poast but disagree w the conclusion that it should be shut down. xo can be saved by banning insane spammers.
you're right that anyone tied IRL to this place would be crucified professionally
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428953) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 1:48 PM Author: comical filthpig
100% agree I'm out
shame what it has become
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428954) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 1:53 PM Author: sienna territorial indian lodge
yes
the sad thing is, the thing current poasters rail against, diversity, is actually what was special about this place. maybe not diversity in just race, but in experience.
it was amazing in 2008 to be able to talk about the financial crisis from a bunch of minds, whether it was elite lawyers, hedge fund analysts, or just some penn state student who wanted help. like the OP said, it was great to see people's real diverse thoughts when they couldn't express them IRL.
no one wants to join a forum where it's just the same 30 white trash racists poasting from trailer parks spamming "fuck jews, fuck n***ers* over and over again with zero dialogue. the best you get is some fake links to alt right conspiracy theories about how the illuminati or jews are poisoning our water supply. anyone not in that world feels DUMBER from being on here nowadays.
i think this post will bring out a lot of pumos (normal people left) who are sick of this shit, and mostly scared into hiding from the frontliner stormfront racists who have taken over
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428987) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 1:50 PM Author: dashing hideous wrinkle idea he suggested
No, not .,.,.,...,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,,.., !
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40428968) |
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Date: June 17th, 2020 6:22 AM Author: Topaz nursing home legal warrant
Anything you post here should be considered public and permanent.
There are public internet archives and people have scraped the site.
And there's an issue I continually try to sound the alarm on: this site does not use HTTPS. That means your ISP knows not only that you've connected to this site but also which URLs (threads) you've accessed. And which threads and messages you've POSTED in based on the signature of the URL:
http://xoxohth.com/post.php?forum_id=XYZ&parent_message_id=12345
ISPs sell traffic logs to data brokers.
Even if you use a VPN, your connection may slip -- 100% coverage is unlikely.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40434012) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 1:58 PM Author: Well-lubricated Domesticated Pocket Flask
'"edgy" stand-up comedian might say and get a mix of laughs and horrified gasps'
yeah, those people no longer have a voice.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429043) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 2:07 PM Author: idiotic appetizing sanctuary
"Consider the current environment. The country is undergoing a great awakening to racist injustices throughout society. Maybe you should take this opportunity to consider whether continuing to post here is morally defensible at all, even if you aren't posting the deranged shit? I don't think it is defensible, which is why I am leaving."
LMAO if you think this shit will save you when the mob comes for you.
Good riddance.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429107) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 2:27 PM Author: violent aggressive heaven
as several other poasters have noted your timing here suggests not some new moral conviction as you are maybe telling yourself but rather self-preservation at the expense of courage I.e cowardice.
I’d agree that the neonazi contingent is really obnoxious and disturbing but the classic argument for free speech is that truth can only triumph when falsehood is allowed to present its best case. the cowardly move is to seek comfort in the controls of speech codes and public shaming. you see public discourse and in places academic discourse falling in line and cowering in the face of threats and social shaming. you’re caving too, just admit it.
no, xo isn’t on the front lines of advancing truth, it’s often a cesspool of its own version of offensive clickbait and far right echo chamber stuff. but the cause of free speech is more important than ever and you’re basically conceding that it’s time to let a combination of bigtech and dullard totalitarian type personalities do the narrating for us all. fuck that. men need to step up in support of free speech or it really will die.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429289) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 2:32 PM Author: cracking electric furnace
I predated you. Came over in the PR exodus (i started posting slightly before that happened). I've come in and out depending on what is going on in my life. I do think a lot of the old folks have "graduated" on to bigger and better things.
Back when I started mail call was the attraction that brought me here and just general good content kept me sticking around.
Some of my highlights (in no particular order) of my time here:
- seeing the thread that Gov of NJ is gay and has resigned assuming it was a blank thread and finding out 12 hours later it was real and having numerous other examples of this kind of crazy sh*t i though for sure was blank posts be true
- getting tipped off to some awesome sporting events in real time such as the perfect game pitched by that Tigers pitcher (but for the dumb ump that got the call wrong) and the Boise State-OSU bowl game with the crazy hook and ladder followed by the statute of liberty play (with an AP TD run in the middle)
- watching the Zimmerman trial during a slow summer at the office
At this point in life i visit less frequently (although WFH has increased that) and like all things in life a little dose won't kill you.
Anyways, that's a long-winded way of saying good-bye and best of luck in life. You will be missed and then forgotten.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429329) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 3:09 PM Author: cracking electric furnace
Back in 2003 there was a daily thread titled "mail call XX/XX" and people would post where they were getting acceptances, rejections, waitlists, etc. from. Very useful information (I know the meme about how the site is a shitty source of information but that wasn't always the case).
And yes this was before Twitter/FB/IG and every other app existed where all this information could get disseminated in other formats. And yes it was before there were smart phones.
And yes, I'm old but nowhere near retirement...
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429672) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 3:20 PM Author: Hateful Ebony Gunner
Agree with OP though I don't plan to retire.
Still holding out hope for a new XO renaissance as the social milieu changes. Until then, I'll just visit with less frequency.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429776) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 3:31 PM Author: olive chest-beating karate station
XO can be saved but the content is forever altered by spazzy political obsessives who post 15 hours every day. There was nothing like that on the board 10 years ago and posters that exclusively engaged in that inane garbage posting were ridiculed. Being funny, creative, and running quality schtick used to be like competitive sports on XO. I heavily attribute the death of that culture to the screechy political freaks. Their noise and resistance to different content drives away the funny and reasonable people who engaged with that. The all-day apeshit posters can’t abide a few normies having fun during the workday.
Now at any given moment there are numerous posters who will lose their minds and spend months fucking up every good thread with their outrage if anyone impedes on their far right wing special safe space to fuck and suck each other’s penises. Frankly, this has made XO feel more feminine and bureaucratic with their endless fuming Yosemite Sam crybaby shit the moment they smell any shitlib pushback. It makes XO much lamer for the majority who don’t spend hours on here every day seething about politics.
It’s a few mentally ill posters who feel the need to oppress the board with their compulsions, but the cumulative effect is the steady erosion of the things that attracted most of us to XO. All so these guys can expand their html echo chamber and keep the demons at bay.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429858) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 3:37 PM Author: irate avocado orchestra pit brethren
This is what I would say about my Facebook Newsfeed:
Facebook can be saved but the content is forever altered by spazzy political obsessives who post 15 hours every day. There was nothing like that on Facebook 10 years ago and posters that exclusively engaged in that inane garbage posting were ridiculed.
Now at any given moment there are numerous posters who will lose their minds and spend months fucking up every good thread with their outrage if anyone impedes on their far left wing special safe space to duck and suck each other’s penises. Frankly, this has made FB feel more feminine and bureaucratic with their endless fuming Yosemite Sam crybaby shit the moment they smell any conservative pushback. It makes FB much lamer for the majority who don’t spend hours on here every day seething about politics.
It’s a few mentally ill posters who feel the need to oppress Facebook with their compulsions, but the cumulative effect is the steady erosion of the things that attracted most of us to Facebook. All so these guys can expand their html echo chamber and keep the demons at bay.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429889)
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Date: June 16th, 2020 4:32 PM Author: olive chest-beating karate station
That’s a fair critique but I am attempting to be more objective than you are crediting. There are some one-note shitlib posters who willfully engage in a retarded political argument death spiral with the unhinged crowd. I don’t know if I would place TT in that group (he’s ‘special’) but your point remains. I disagree that these dumbasses are at all proportional in numbers, volume, or vitriol to the unhinged right wing swarm. The insane levels of hostility and outrage at any deviation from what are by all standard definitions very fringe far right politics is nuts. A coordinate example would be like 6-7 extreme shitlib pumos and obeezy going to war the moment anyone questions the profound importance of something as worthless as ANTIFA. You have to ready for war if you suggest that force-meming broad public recognition of the racial IQ gap is not the most critical social challenge of our lifetimes.
You similarly have to be ready to be stalked around the board and get pummeled with the duck sauce detector if you merely suggest Trump is out of touch. That’s barely hyperbole and there is no equivalent squad or rabid dogs on the left, thankfully. That would be even more awful. Nonetheless the people I am bitching about don’t seem interested in disguising their distaste for any discussion or dissent on THEIR XO. They have forcefully coopted XO’s remarkable freedom of expression and twisted it into an obsessive anti-shitlib mandate. Trashing dumb shitlib views is 180 and belongs here. But not at the cost of making XO steadily worse and niche.
The extremism is the other issue. Even if there were some value in the endless political bluster, now the only acceptable conservative view on here is brainless allegiance to Trump and fringe racial politics. These little dudes beat their chests for each other day and night and the result is a forced faux-edgy flavor of histrionic reptile politics that does not translate to the real world. It’s aggravating that we lost the board to a gaggle of likely pussies cosplaying internet culture warrior with each other. It’s a bunch of unhappy dudes clogging the board with fantasy engagement. The really oppressive daily noise mostly comes from one side.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430241) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 3:46 PM Author: pale pungent market trump supporter
Here's the TLDR version:
"Look I love jokes but..."
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40429940) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 4:05 PM Author: sienna territorial indian lodge
exactly.
i'm all for racial shit, or even politics. just make it more substantial. all u get from this forum is SEETHING UNFILTERED RAGE. it's neither interesting or funny.
the only semi fun nowadays is to troll these angry poasters re: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIx9RnP3q2Y
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430054)
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Date: June 16th, 2020 4:08 PM Author: Yellow Dopamine Selfie
this is basically why I retired
I could deal with the racist shit bc I don’t believe words cause harm, and I’m not a racist. so whatever; I treated the anti-Jew/black poasts like a silent scream
but I couldn’t take how fuckin MEAN some people were. for no reason
just be kind and funny and say your piece. well so I left
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430090) |
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Date: June 16th, 2020 5:23 PM Author: Slimy multi-billionaire
the OP's "thesis" is :
1. that the wild west free-for-all of the pre-normie internet was 180 because you could just poast whatever ridiculous shit you wanted (i'm fully in agreement with this), and this is what made "old" XO great
2. current year XO is *bad* because....it's one of the few places on the internet where you can still poast whatever ridiculous shit you want, in the same vein as 1
it's contradictory and makes no sense. the OP is either bait shtick to get a bunch of replies (likely, and quite well done IMO), or he's just a stupid person (definitely also possible)
there have been a bunch of different posts here recently explaining the ACTUAL problem that XO and similar places on the internet currently have: libs have made thoughtcrime verboten everywhere else on the internet as well as in real life, so the few spaces left on the internet that allow freedom of speech become almost entirely thoughtcrime ghettos, since there's nowhere else to talk about things that are thoughtcrime
i don't know how many times this same explanation has to be posted before everybody figures it out
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430457) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 5:10 PM Author: Aromatic toilet seat
The endless politics make this place exhausting and more like IRL than the escape that it used to be. Politics is inescapable now. There are times I pull up the front page on my phone, scroll down a few screens, and there are maybe 2 threads I want to read, and half the time I open 1 and it goes off the rails with some time-wasting shit about the male nurse or cucks or blaming the jews or whatever.
As another note: I will never understand why people waste time with months-/years-long personal shit. How in the world is that worth anyone's time? You don't like the male nurse, the AGWWG crew, the 5'7" shitlawyer, etc. - fine, ignore him and maybe poast something funny about him once in a while, but don't fuck up every thread with it.
All the above said this is the only place where many of us can speak our minds. At work we keep our mouths shut (which they are starting to understand guarantees wrongthink), to our families we dance around it, ljl at mentioning some of this stuff to are Buzzfeed/Netflix/Maddow/HuffPo wives, etc. It's important for this reason and I fully expect to be poasting in another 20 years, as long as there is at least some non-politics content.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430390) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 5:37 PM Author: underhanded bateful weed whacker
I’ve been on this board since the late summer of 2001. I was here during 9/11.
It’s true that the clientele has changed over time, of course. The world has changed. What’s most interesting to me are the ways in which the changes to the world and to the forum have coincided, notwithstanding this place’s long-standing and well-deserved reputation for not really giving a fuck about anything but artful poasting and free speech.
Art changes, but I love this place - whether brutalist or classical, whether Stormfront or Sforza or Leiter’s smarmy ass reporting on whether or not some douchebag should still be teaching admin law at Ohio State. I won’t leave until I have to, probably.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430535) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 5:45 PM Author: Slimy multi-billionaire
how is anyone ITT pretending like "the problem" here isn't just a specific handful of spamming freaks?
if we just banned nyuug, obeezy, the guy who spams henry aaron threads, and tommy turdskin, like 90% of the spam would be gone. these 4 people alone account for the majority of pointless spam on this site
this whole retarded thread reminds me of "right wingers" complaining about the "racist" 13/50 meme of "13% of the population (black people) commit 50% of the violent crime." in reality, young black males specifically commit almost all of that 50% number, so it's really something like "1%/50%"
just like how on XO, it's not the "13%" of XO who are the "annoying politics posters" who are creating all of the spam, it's actually just that less than 1% small handful of 4 annoying spamming freaks
just ban them and it goes away
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430602) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 6:00 PM Author: irate avocado orchestra pit brethren
Was in the middle of a workout not even consciously thinking about this thread when I realized how OP really exemplifies the politically correct rot that has infested American society and hijacked conventional and social media.
The OP evidences that the principles behind free speech as codified in the First Amendment are all but dead.
Remember that the concept of "free speech" is to protect unpopular speech. You don't need protection from an echo chamber.
Censorship, in any form, is anathema to free speech and this OP serves as an attempt at censorship. He knows better.
Its not good enough for him to pack up and leave--you should leave, too.
"I don't want to watch this TV show because it offends me so no one should watch it."
"This book is offensive, no one should read it."
"This website has become offensive. I'm going to leave and so should everyone else."
But what really bothers me about the OP is what a spineless, feckless loser he is. Jumping ship like a rat faced lawyer and trying to find other rats to jump ship with him.
Now there is one less liberal voice (a voice of reason from his perspective) to challenge the viewpoints he disagrees with.
When I first came to xo I was extremely liberal. Over time, xo has helped push me into the political center where I now happily reside.
I wasn't moved by all caps nigger threading. I was moved by intelligent threading. Now there is one less intelligent voice that could possibly drag me back left a bit.
So rather than fight for xo, to try to persuade by reason, he's leaving xo because it got too offensive for him and now he needs to find an echo chamber to massage his manpussy.
Enjoy reddit and facebook or wherever you go faggot, but trying to poach are poasters was a shitty move.
P.S. See you tomorrow.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430712)
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Date: June 16th, 2020 6:06 PM Author: blathering home
so much of this "OMG th eboard was better 15 years ago!" tripe is just anomie from being 38 instead of 23. Yeah I was I was still 23 again too but it isn't going to happen.
it's the same poasters. this jjc-esque gushing about Stanford or whatever misses that fact; most bright young Stanford students end up being more-or-less unremarkable adults. Smart, successful, but not world changing or even particularly interesting. That's who xo is.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430756) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 6:27 PM Author: startled puce nowag marketing idea
tl;dr:
pensive is going to take a week off from poasting.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40430860) |
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Date: June 17th, 2020 11:10 AM Author: startled puce nowag marketing idea
the pensive flow chart.
(was it over 1000 words?)
--- /no/ ------ \yes\ -----
(not pensive) - (could it have been 20 words?)
-------------------- /no/ ------ \yes\ ---------
-------------- (not pensive) ---- (pensive) -----
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40434934) |
Date: June 16th, 2020 9:37 PM Author: Sick
u: risten
random chink #7592017405 in sichuan reading this thread: risten
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40432223) |
Date: June 17th, 2020 12:40 AM Author: soggy
Well folks, this is it. I'm gone. I'm graduating from law school in a matter of days, and I can't really see the point to this anymore. It's an addiction, and I've gotta break it. I'm convinced that there are some truly mentally ill people on this board (or maybe it's just one mentally ill guy), and I'm not helping them to get better by fighting with them day in and day out. And really, I'm not doing myself any favors either.
It's been a wild journey, dating back just about 5 years, give or take, to some time before the June 1999 LSAT. What a time it was. The Eye strode the board like a collosus, the real winner brought us joy and pain, hoyalawya2b was old and kind of fat, and John Mallin jousted the real Loretta Dellogio for king of the hill. Handsome Houston Hall was mean, El Lobo burst upon the scene. Sforza's tales of the master race, Bateman's racism second place.
Ah, memories. The bottom line is this. Two things are guiding my decision to resign, a decision that I know is going to hurt some people deeply. First, I just can't post on this board from my judge's chambers next year. Can't do it. Won't do it. Second, I'm convinced that I spend most weeknights having an argument with one or more legitimately disturbed individuals. The RWA stalker emails were very real and LB's real-world efforts to track me down were disturbing if ultimately unsuccessful.
It can't go on. It had to end. Professor Edgar Martinez was my crowning achievement in a board lifetime of characters of varying notoriety. Nothing ever really took off the way PEM did. If he has taught you nothing else, remember this:
Congratulations on getting into a fine law school, but the race you think you've won goes two ways. Weil, Cadwalader, Dewey, and Proskauer are full of HYS grads who thought they'd made it when they got their admission letter. Don't let the prestigious landscape of the legal world be littered with your corpse as well.
Thanks for an occasionally good time. Even though most of you weren't around for most of it. Those of you who need help of one kind or another, I hope you find it.
For the rest of you, good luck at your third tier toilets. Douse yourself in kerosene and set yourself alight. Flush away children.
Yours truly,
I remain,
Professor Edgar Martinez
Chief Justice
TPR Board Government in Exile
Agreed. What a fucking loser.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40433400)
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Date: June 17th, 2020 1:14 AM Author: chrome haunted graveyard
figures that the OP is some coward pumo fuck. get gassed bro.
OP is just a long-winded "retirement thread" and anyone who "announces" their retirement is a fucktard. get the fuck out and stay out of xoxo bro
i am the ONLY poaster ITT who has posted under one moniker and ONLY one moniker since 2007 and ive seen the boards ups and downs. OP is being a histrionic little bitch.
were things better back in the day? for sure. way more meetups, poasters werent as hateful, etc. but aside from some insane and insufferable shitmods the board continues to be one of the last bastions of nominal free speech anywhere on the internet
some other poasters have already pointed out you are retiring in cowardice to save your own skin in case some of your posts get linked to your IRL. couldve saved the long screed and just said that, dummy
as bad as this board is today, it's all we have left. it's our hell that we don't want to escape, not one we can't
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40433560) |
Date: June 17th, 2020 3:18 AM Author: transparent temple hominid
Very tempted to poast colt’s IRL name, address, employer, etc after this faggot OP of his.
Someone talk me out of it.
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40433842) |
Date: June 17th, 2020 7:17 AM Author: emerald mother
Jew or Human?
That is the question
according to Judaism and Jewry
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40434071) |
Date: June 17th, 2020 9:36 AM Author: french
pretty much agreed
really thought I'd be on zozo more with COVID but it's been the opposite
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40434473) |
Date: June 27th, 2020 7:01 PM Author: Greedy
just so we're clear:
xo is a shithole in 2020 because we're all so fucking old slow and bald that nobody even puts in the effort to fucking COPY AND PASTE POSTS FOR RECORD SO WHEN I BROWSE THE GREATEST HITS OF THE MONTH I CAN SEE THE OP'S FUCKING POST GODDAMN BOOMERS
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40506578) |
Date: July 10th, 2020 7:38 PM
Author: .,.,.,...,.,.,..,.,.,.,.,.,.,,..,
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40583262) |
Date: July 10th, 2020 8:09 PM
Author: .,,.,,.,.,,,.....,,,.,.,.,...,.,.
my guess (and its just a guess) is this OP is the one who reported charles
(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4561949&forum_id=2#40583440) |
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