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this UFC fight is great, an obese guido and a black guy who enjoys knitting

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curious azn
  06/27/20
guido went buckwild
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
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curious azn
  06/27/20
whoops
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
what the fuck happened
curious azn
  06/27/20
fat asthmatic had his airway only a little bit pressed and h...
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
embarrassing stuff
curious azn
  06/27/20
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Stimulating home yarmulke
  06/27/20
The one before between Allen and D-something was a fucking b...
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
Hope Mickey gall wins this one Don’t know much abou...
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
i hope the dude with the face tats gets knocked out
curious azn
  06/27/20
Never seen a dude just come out with his GF and no entourage...
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
Wait his GF is his only cornerman? What the fuck
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
Tatted dude (perry) seems legit mentally ill
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
yea he's pretty entertaining
curious azn
  06/27/20
Fun first round. I would not want to fight that perry dude
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
seems like he'd let you break his arm before tapping
curious azn
  06/27/20
facetat is up 2-0 in my book
curious azn
  06/27/20
yea this seems like a mismatch. gall is too thin. isn't he...
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
he;s had a very mediocre record after that.
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
Especially round 2 So cute watching his gf ice him down
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
this is like fighting a special ed dood who doesnt feel pain...
curious azn
  06/27/20
Yep. Zero feeling. Like an animal will never stop coming
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
poor girl probably has a long night ahead of her
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
they are going to have sex
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
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curious azn
  06/27/20
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aphrodisiac elastic band clown
  07/09/20
micky gall has got a chin on him
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
Generally, it appears shorter dudes seem to have an advantag...
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
the short fat guido got choked out by the knitting black guy...
curious azn
  06/27/20
knitting black had only an inch on short fat guido. I;m th...
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
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Multi-colored Startling Station
  06/27/20
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Multi-colored Startling Station
  06/27/20
5'7" conor mcgregor is a joke and he got the W in the r...
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
Waiting for interview with perry
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
this guy is fucking insane
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
juiced to the gills He kind of shows that guidos aren't wh...
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
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curious azn
  06/27/20
"you put that well"
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
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curious azn
  06/27/20
Perry 85 iq max
Stimulating home yarmulke
  06/27/20
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curious azn
  06/27/20
Was going to ask what his IQ is
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
Caught on tape assaulting an old dude and dropping n-bombs l...
curious azn
  07/09/20
ESPN truck is screaming cut the camera right now
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
Mike "MAGA" Perry, dont tax me!
curious azn
  06/27/20
Lmao at his tax talk
cerebral regret
  06/27/20
why is he talking like he's black? he must be from Florida o...
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
he's from flint, michigan. prob went to mostly black schools
curious azn
  06/27/20
that explains it... also the water probably shaved off like ...
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
Perry has a higher raw IQ than obeezy.
disturbing really tough guy rehab
  06/27/20
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curious azn
  06/27/20
who we got hooker v porrier ? I'm rooting for porier
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
poirier picking up the entire tab tonight for some honky ton...
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
gonna go for whoever has better walkout music. hooker's was ...
curious azn
  06/27/20
alright yeah poirier easy
curious azn
  06/27/20
made closer though by hooker using a former poirier song
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
yeah Porrier has 180 entrance music. I'm a big fan. No one i...
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
goes against my normal root against tatted doods rule though...
curious azn
  06/27/20
Hooker’s music was great
Stimulating home yarmulke
  06/27/20
UFC fight are actually much better without a crowd.
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
yeah this is actually great with no crowd
curious azn
  06/27/20
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Multi-colored Startling Station
  06/27/20
this is a fucking brawl
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
good shit, poirier seems to be getting the better of it
curious azn
  06/27/20
whew poirier literally saved by the bell
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
hooker fights a bit dirty
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
wow hooker came on strong. these dudes are tough as nails
curious azn
  06/27/20
both doods leaking bad
curious azn
  06/27/20
saved hooker right there. the blood/sweat got him out of th...
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
Great. fight.
disturbing really tough guy rehab
  06/27/20
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curious azn
  06/27/20
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cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
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Stimulating home yarmulke
  06/27/20
comes down to the last round!
curious azn
  06/27/20
bisping is a remarkably good commentator
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
domnic cruz is remarkably terrible
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
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cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
poirier should win
curious azn
  06/27/20
I think porier won
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20
right decision
cyan sadistic double fault
  06/27/20
shortmos dominate. Low center of gravity
Swashbuckling buck-toothed church
  06/27/20


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Date: June 27th, 2020 9:46 PM
Author: curious azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507337)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:02 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

guido went buckwild

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507405)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:02 PM
Author: curious azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507407)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:04 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

whoops

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507417)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:05 PM
Author: curious azn

what the fuck happened

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507418)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:06 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

fat asthmatic had his airway only a little bit pressed and he gave up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507419)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:06 PM
Author: curious azn

embarrassing stuff

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507421)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:48 PM
Author: Stimulating home yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507656)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:13 PM
Author: cerebral regret

The one before between Allen and D-something was a fucking battle. Both guys were completely fucked up, battle of wills

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507438)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:20 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Hope Mickey gall wins this one

Don’t know much about the other Perry guy, but he seems like a complete piece of shit person. What’s his back story

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507477)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:21 PM
Author: curious azn

i hope the dude with the face tats gets knocked out

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507481)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:21 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Never seen a dude just come out with his GF and no entourage

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507485)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:22 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Wait his GF is his only cornerman? What the fuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507490)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:24 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Tatted dude (perry) seems legit mentally ill

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507504)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:28 PM
Author: curious azn

yea he's pretty entertaining

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507523)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:30 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Fun first round. I would not want to fight that perry dude

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507542)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:33 PM
Author: curious azn

seems like he'd let you break his arm before tapping

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507556)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:35 PM
Author: curious azn

facetat is up 2-0 in my book

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507567)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:36 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

yea this seems like a mismatch. gall is too thin. isn't he the guy that tapped cm punk?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507575)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:40 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

he;s had a very mediocre record after that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507605)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:36 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Especially round 2

So cute watching his gf ice him down

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507578)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:37 PM
Author: curious azn

this is like fighting a special ed dood who doesnt feel pain and keeps coming forward

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507582)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:43 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Yep. Zero feeling. Like an animal will never stop coming

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507626)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:38 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

poor girl probably has a long night ahead of her

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507591)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:42 PM
Author: cerebral regret

they are going to have sex

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507623)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:43 PM
Author: curious azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507629)



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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:45 AM
Author: aphrodisiac elastic band clown



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40572403)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:37 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

micky gall has got a chin on him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507583)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:39 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

Generally, it appears shorter dudes seem to have an advantage in fights. Notable exception is Jon Jones.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507599)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:40 PM
Author: curious azn

the short fat guido got choked out by the knitting black guy tho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507606)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:43 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

knitting black had only an inch on short fat guido.

I;m thinking more along the lines of mike Tyson against everyone he fought ever, Daniel Cormier, henry cejudo, etc etc. It just seems like height isn't really that huge of a factor in fighting. It certainly helps if you're jon jones. But it's not a hindrance to prevent someone from being champ in their division if they are short.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507627)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:44 PM
Author: Multi-colored Startling Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507631)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:41 PM
Author: Multi-colored Startling Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507618)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:44 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

5'7" conor mcgregor is a joke and he got the W in the rematc. Also, nate diaz got fucked up by Jorge Masvidal

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507632)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:45 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Waiting for interview with perry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507636)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:45 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

this guy is fucking insane

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507637)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:45 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

juiced to the gills

He kind of shows that guidos aren't white

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507640)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:46 PM
Author: curious azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507641)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:46 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

"you put that well"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507643)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:47 PM
Author: curious azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507646)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:46 PM
Author: Stimulating home yarmulke

Perry 85 iq max

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507644)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:47 PM
Author: curious azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507648)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:47 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Was going to ask what his IQ is

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507650)



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Date: July 9th, 2020 6:17 AM
Author: curious azn

Caught on tape assaulting an old dude and dropping n-bombs lol

https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/08/ufc-mike-perry-punches-old-man-in-angry-restaurant-tirade/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40572382)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:47 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

ESPN truck is screaming cut the camera right now

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507647)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:47 PM
Author: curious azn

Mike "MAGA" Perry, dont tax me!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507649)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:48 PM
Author: cerebral regret

Lmao at his tax talk

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507652)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:47 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

why is he talking like he's black? he must be from Florida or some shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507651)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:48 PM
Author: curious azn

he's from flint, michigan. prob went to mostly black schools

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507653)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:48 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

that explains it... also the water probably shaved off like 40 IQ points

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507657)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:48 PM
Author: disturbing really tough guy rehab

Perry has a higher raw IQ than obeezy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507654)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:49 PM
Author: curious azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507660)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:49 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

who we got hooker v porrier ? I'm rooting for porier

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507659)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:55 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

poirier picking up the entire tab tonight for some honky tonk bbq place in cajun louisiana is pretty cool

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507683)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:56 PM
Author: curious azn

gonna go for whoever has better walkout music. hooker's was pretty trash, let's see how poirier comes

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507685)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:56 PM
Author: curious azn

alright yeah poirier easy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507687)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:58 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

made closer though by hooker using a former poirier song

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507700)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:58 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

yeah Porrier has 180 entrance music. I'm a big fan. No one is touching Khabib (there might be a chance now that his old man is terminal).. but lightweight has a lot of fighters that are easy to root for (porrier, gaethjie, Ferguson, et al)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507697)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:59 PM
Author: curious azn

goes against my normal root against tatted doods rule though, this is tough

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507704)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 10:59 PM
Author: Stimulating home yarmulke

Hooker’s music was great

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507701)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:05 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

UFC fight are actually much better without a crowd.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507742)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:06 PM
Author: curious azn

yeah this is actually great with no crowd

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507746)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:11 PM
Author: Multi-colored Startling Station



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507775)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:09 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

this is a fucking brawl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507767)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:10 PM
Author: curious azn

good shit, poirier seems to be getting the better of it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507774)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:13 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

whew poirier literally saved by the bell

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507787)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:13 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

hooker fights a bit dirty

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507792)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:13 PM
Author: curious azn

wow hooker came on strong. these dudes are tough as nails

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507793)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:12 PM
Author: curious azn

both doods leaking bad

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507780)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:17 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

saved hooker right there. the blood/sweat got him out of the guillotine

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507809)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:13 PM
Author: disturbing really tough guy rehab

Great. fight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507790)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:19 PM
Author: curious azn



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507815)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:19 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507816)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:43 PM
Author: Stimulating home yarmulke



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507945)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:27 PM
Author: curious azn

comes down to the last round!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507861)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:30 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

bisping is a remarkably good commentator

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507874)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:33 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

domnic cruz is remarkably terrible

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507889)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:33 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507892)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:31 PM
Author: curious azn

poirier should win

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507879)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:33 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

I think porier won

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507888)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:35 PM
Author: cyan sadistic double fault

right decision

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507899)



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Date: June 27th, 2020 11:35 PM
Author: Swashbuckling buck-toothed church

shortmos dominate. Low center of gravity

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4571729&forum_id=2#40507900)