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Ex-roommate/ex-friend owes me over $8K. How to proceed?
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:46 PM Author: Provocative university I was the only fucking ADULT with a checkbook, so I wrote the rent checks every month and he was supposed to pay me. He kept saying he'd start paying me back the next month but I only saw $400 in 11 months before I got up the balls to kick him out. (Gave him a very specific ultimatum which he was unable to fulfill.) He moved out in November.
I did have him sign a sublease beforehand to avoid a situation like this, but I only dated it for the rest of the lease, and we ended up renewing. Will that matter? I also have a lot of FB messages and emails detailing what he owes me.
He's actually making $$ now, but he's ignored my FB messages for over a month. What do? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:48 PM Author: duck-like chest-beating main people range cost you 8K to never have this pos in your life. some might consider that a decent deal. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894129) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:53 PM Author: Galvanic Orange Field (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894154) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:58 PM Author: free-loading internet-worthy generalized bond hell (Sonny LoSpecchio) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894202) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:59 PM Author: Provocative university $8K is a lot, though ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894212) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:01 PM Author: duck-like chest-beating main people range yeah, it's relative for sure. then go small claims. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894223) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:06 PM Author: Provocative university I mean, it's a lot of money that I *should* have. I'm not a poor; I make six figures. But I spend recklessly, so I only have about $20K in the bank (and a backup $50K I never touch, and $200K in retirement). So $8K isn't the difference between net positive and negative, and I can still buy literally whatever I want without going negative, but it'd be a nice chunk of cash :((((
Small claims is looking like the best/only option. uggghhhhhh |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:27 PM Author: stimulating tank incel (woman moment) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894418) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 5:11 PM Author: Cordovan Faggotry Lol @ rich people having roommates (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894730) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 5:15 PM Author: Provocative university I've always found it fun to live with friends, on top of being cheaper. Currently living with 2 others in a nice, spacious 3-bedroom in a great area for $766 each. Unfortunately I was actually paying $1532 instead because of this moron.
But yeah I decided yesterday that I'm gonna start looking for my own place, at least seeing what's out there. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 5:40 PM Author: Cordovan Faggotry but yeah that's totally the problem with roommates
$8k is a lot but I find they inevitably fuck you over
it's kind of like a 'investment property' you rent out, as long as nothing bad happens, you make a little money |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 4:57 PM Author: know-it-all stain if it were FL, I'd represent you and get a writ of bodily attachment after the scumbag inevitably no shows at the small claims hearing & fails to pay on the default (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43900651) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:04 PM Author: Bateful associate locale this happened to a friend. he filed against defendant in small claims court. defendant never showed. he correctly guessed defendant's bank of choice. he asked judge for a writ of attachment on the bank. he got his money.
YOUR RESULTS MAY VARY |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:07 PM Author: Provocative university oooo pls tell me more about writ of attachment!! I might be able to figure out his bank (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894276) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:25 PM Author: Bateful associate locale just google "writ of attachment [your state]" and see if there are any rules about it for your jurisdiction
why did you let your friend stay 11 months without paying? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:27 PM Author: Provocative university Thank!!
Because I'm a pussy, because he was my friend, and because he got all pissy and defensive whenever I brought it up. And sometimes we'd have a big discussion and come up with an agreement, like $200/paycheck, and I believed him when he said he'd follow through but then he didn't. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 10:41 PM Author: Bateful associate locale Sorry to hear that man - is there more to the story? $8k is a fat chunk of debt to accumulate even if you don’t like conflict (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43896410) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:31 PM Author: Provocative university Not really. He's just an immature, self-centered brat who took advantage of how bitchmade I am. Or "nice", depending on who you ask.
Yep it was 11mo at $766, so $8426. Fuck this kid. And he had the AUDACITY to complain about dumb shit around the house when he literally wasn't paying rent.
One time I'd had enough of him being so selfish, and I went off on him. I spoke to him in this condescending tone I use when I'm really pissed. He said I was being crazy and took out his phone to record me. By that time, I had calmed down and was speaking in a normal voice. So he took a two-minute video of him SCREAMING at me that I was just talking normally because he was taking a video, while I sat calmly. Really embarrassing. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:39 PM Author: Racy hospital Might be called garnishment or levy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43896680) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:25 PM Author: know-it-all stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894402) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:47 PM Author: Provocative university mfcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894119) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:47 PM Author: Heady dilemma lawsuit (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894115) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:49 PM Author: Provocative university I'm def taking him to small claims as a last resort. I sent him a text last weekend saying I had people ready to take him to court if he didn't get me $2000 by May, but the message is unread. I guess I'll text/email/insta the same message now.
Anyway, say we go to court and the court agrees he owes me the amount I claim (which they will). What happens if he can't pay it? |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:53 PM Author: Bespoke boyish alpha pervert If he can't pay it, there's no point in suing him; he's judgment proof. Only sue him if he's making enough money to pay you back. Otherwise you're just wasting your time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894156) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:55 PM Author: Provocative university Well, I think he'll be able to pay it back, just not right away. He's making decent money as a bartender at a popular spot. Can the court tell him he has to pay like $X amount per month? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894167) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 10:38 PM Author: diverse glassy toaster He probably has 300k in tax free cash and 2k in his bank account. ljl at you. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43896401) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:26 PM Author: know-it-all stain (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894409) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:10 PM Author: Concupiscible soggy office Sounds like she illegally evicted him. Probably treble damages for him. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894288) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:11 PM Author: Provocative university False. Abundant, unambiguous evidence to prove this (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894293) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:11 PM Author: burgundy swashbuckling site lmao (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894294) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:50 PM Author: charismatic garrison Break his fucking fingers. One finger for each $1,000, then a thumb for interest. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894137) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:50 PM Author: Provocative university lmfao only on xo... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894138) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 6:04 PM Author: Irradiated brindle den Yeah man imagine marrying a jew and getting this product as your daughter? Rather marry a normal whore from xoxlandia (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43895036) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:56 PM Author: Provocative university Here's what I messaged and texted:
"hey [asshole], i've tried to be reasonable but i haven't heard from you in a while and it's been months since i've received any payment. i'm willing to give you until the end of april to pay me at least $2k and we can negotiate future payments. but unfortunately, if i don't receive that money, i have people ready to take you to court. i really don't want it to come to that so please take this seriously." |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:20 PM Author: green rehab clown [asshole] showing ur msg to all his friends, they all get a good LOL about this cucked fag screeching (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43896571) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 3:57 PM Author: federal legend roast beef "Pay me my fucking money, Jimmy. Where is my fucking money."
*OP furiously pulls down Jimmy's levi jeans*
*Blows him to completion*
"You better have my money next time, bitch " |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:03 PM Author: bull headed sable gas station stock car Hire a shitlawyer to confess judgment on his behalf, then request a writ of garnishment from the court to be served on his new employer. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894235) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:03 PM Author: burgundy swashbuckling site i heard tsinah could use the work (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894240) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:08 PM Author: Provocative university edit: This is what I was hoping I could do! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894282) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:14 PM Author: spectacular double fault voyeur Small claims. Then get a writ of fieri facias and go to the sheriff's office. The sheriff will go with you to your roommate's house and you can load up his furniture and electronics and sell them at auction on the courthouse steps. Then you get paid from the proceeds. Enjoy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894316) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:19 PM Author: Provocative university Prob flame but I would do this WITHOUT REMORSE. He doesn't have that many belongings and I doubt any of his furniture is worth anything, but I'd be happy to sell his phone and Xbox. After ripping me off, he'd deserve it. 😤😤
His parents are well-off so it's not like he'd be super fucked or anything even if I literally sold all his shit lmao |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:24 PM Author: spectacular double fault voyeur Not flame. You can literally take all his light bulbs if you want. And sometimes the money he says he doesn't have magically shows up when he's about to be sleeping on the floor in the dark.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fieri_facias |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:25 PM Author: Provocative university Thank!!! (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894407) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:26 PM Author: bull headed sable gas station stock car Sounds like you should start with self-help distraint of the phone and xbox before bothering the court and sheriff. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894413) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:28 PM Author: know-it-all stain I know an attorney who got sued by a scumbag & he countersued for defamation and won. Then, he brought the judgment to the sheriff's office and took *everything*, including his clothes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894436) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 6:56 AM Author: Appetizing house-broken partner hissy fit (reading comprehension mastesrman) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897747) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:10 AM Author: Razzle-dazzle walnut theatre Pathetic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897171) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 4:58 PM Author: know-it-all stain ?
I have a hot organic gf |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:14 PM Author: medicated lodge regret tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894319) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:20 PM Author: burgundy swashbuckling site can someone bump the thread from the last time she needed to sue a roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894357) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:26 PM Author: stimulating tank incel kick his ass (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894417) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:28 PM Author: Heady dilemma this is the box tp (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894429) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 4:30 PM Author: burgundy swashbuckling site bitch has been in jail for judo. she just has to want it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894460) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 5:16 PM Author: Frum cumskin Sounds like a statute of frauds bar exam hypo (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43894770) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 5:45 PM Author: Amethyst hairraiser idea he suggested blood rage Neither a borrower nor a lender be, For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry [thrift]. |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 6:09 PM Author: glittery filthpig corn cake One of my old roommates fucked me over for a much smaller amount. I ran flame on her by suing small claims and no showing for the hearing. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43895060) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:33 PM Author: Provocative university I'm deadass gonna distrain his Xbox now that I learned I can do that (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43896647) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:33 PM Author: Copper soul-stirring abode nowag Just file in small claims. In CA at least its anything under 10k last time I checked. Filing fee shld be minimal. Dont be a dumb faggot though, this was stupid to do. Trust no one (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43896650) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:36 PM Author: Provocative university Yeah, looks like that's what I'll have to do. I just learned about "distraint", so I'm optimistic.
I know I was an idiot :((( |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:39 PM Author: Copper soul-stirring abode nowag just get a small claims judgment against the stupid faggot then garnish his wages and bank account, there shld be info online on how to do it urself
there shldnt be an issue that theres no sublease covering all the payments |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:42 PM Author: Provocative university Thanks, TT. That's reassuring. Wish me luck... (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43896694) |
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Date: February 2nd, 2022 11:52 PM Author: Disgusting Resort Seems like a weird combination of incredibly prole problem but relatively high dollar amount. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43896731) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 3:05 AM Author: Provocative university I'm not a prole, but he kind of is, and that's all on him; I get the impression his parents are well-off (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897346) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 12:43 PM Author: Disgusting Resort "i'm not a prole" u lisp, 35 years old and trying to recover rent money from ur deadbeat roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43899112) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:31 PM Author: Vigorous drab patrolman devastating (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43899707) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:14 AM Author: shimmering parlor becky what do? pick better friends (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897180) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 3:04 AM Author: Provocative university Yeah... I definitely need to stop ignoring red flags (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897341) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 3:09 AM Author: shimmering parlor becky they are hard to spot when you are wearing red glasses (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897349) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 3:11 AM Author: Provocative university cr. I put wayyyyyy too much trust in people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897353) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:15 AM Author: clear adventurous athletic conference sex offender I would just outsource your claim to collections or some shit and be done with it. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897185) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 3:20 AM Author: out-of-control depressive factory reset button Just show up to his house tomorrow with a camera and let him start a scene (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43897381) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 3:24 AM Author: Provocative university I assume you read about the vid above? Ugh that would be hilarious. And he WOULD.
I don't know where he lives now, but he works three blocks away from my apartment. My bf is excited at the prospect of serving him, if it comes to that. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 12:44 PM Author: Odious Church Building Candlestick Maker Move on with your life, immediately, and make better decisions next time. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43899117) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 12:48 PM Author: Cordovan Faggotry $8k is a lot of money (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43899130) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:05 PM Author: Provocative university (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43899546) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:21 PM Author: Odious Church Building Candlestick Maker No it's not, but in any regard, you're not getting it back. What are you going to do, sue him? What are you going to execute that judgement against? Do you even know where he is to serve him?
Don't lend money to shady people. |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:22 PM Author: Provocative university Yes, gonna sue him and have his wages garnished and his Xbox distrained (the latter out of spite) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43899661) |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:24 PM Author: Self-absorbed chartreuse pisswyrm boiling water cr
even if you don't recover anything, the emotional stress you put him under by suing him makes it worthwhile |
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Date: February 3rd, 2022 2:29 PM Author: Provocative university And maybe he'll learn his lesson about using people (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5022418&forum_id=2#43899697) |