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The smartest sports bet right now is Jokic for MVP?
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Date: January 24th, 2023 10:59 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45837688) |
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Date: June 12th, 2023 11:29 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel *finals (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46420598) |
Date: January 24th, 2023 11:36 PM Author: Mauve shrine Yes and this was obvious at the beginning of the season. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45837846) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:41 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel You could've got 10:1 at season start. Now he's the favorite again. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45840086) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 11:57 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46086425) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 9:04 AM Author: bateful gold school cafeteria elastic band Jayson Tatum is the best player, pound for pound, in the league (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45838715) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:42 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel He's definitely top 5 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45840094) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2023 3:50 PM Author: Aggressive Nudist Home Rigor LOL (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45971748) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 8:23 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian He's in the #2-4 range (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089496) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:44 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian Between the team possibly failing and him getting injured, I don't think it's all that safe (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45840110) |
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Date: January 25th, 2023 1:45 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel He's never been injured and is playing better than Lebron at his peak (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45840114) |
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Date: February 16th, 2023 11:04 AM Author: Fuchsia Chapel (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45941881) |
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Date: February 23rd, 2023 3:50 PM Author: Aggressive Nudist Home Rigor Jokic triple double double in any game is literally the safest bet. Thats how good the cunt is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#45971747) |
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Date: March 22nd, 2023 11:58 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian Rut roh. Wasn't he -200 when you made this? +200 now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46086432) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 1:27 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian Libs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46087952) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 1:29 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel The msm is desperate for Jokic to not get it. I've never seen a massive anti-PR campaign like this before in sports, to *not* award somebody a prize
https://www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nba/2023/3/22/23651077/nikola-jokic-nba-mvp-denver-nuggets-vote-please-no |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 1:33 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian I'm not sure the award has ever rewarded the best player per se (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46087987) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 8:27 PM Author: alcoholic arousing lay indirect expression Fuck this noise. Embiid should have won it one of the last 2 years over The Joker anyway. This is just settling things ex post facto. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089500) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 9:23 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian Stat nerds think jokic has been far ahead of embiid every year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089675) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 9:47 PM Author: Impertinent 180 quadroon (imbecile nigger) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089769) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 9:50 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel Has Embiid ever been out of the 2nd round of playoffs? I mean he's really good but seems like a peak Dwight Howard who takes too many threes. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089782) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 9:50 PM Author: Impertinent 180 quadroon he's fucking garbage (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089786) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 9:53 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel He's arguably not even the best player on his team (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089794) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 9:56 PM Author: Impertinent 180 quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089809) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 8:32 PM Author: Poppy razzmatazz blood rage LOL regular season is BS. Everyone knows Giannis is the best right now. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089506) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 9:45 PM Author: hot mint karate lettuce It’s pure racism, they don’t want to give a white man the mvp of the greatest black sports league in the world three years in a row (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46089766) |
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Date: March 23rd, 2023 11:04 PM Author: Impertinent 180 quadroon I’ll never watch nba again if joker doesn’t get it this year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46090072) |
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Date: April 8th, 2023 6:23 AM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian He's 12:1 now. Embiid is the overwhelming favorite, and i have no clue why. Gianis, Tatum and Jokic are better (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46159948) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 4:09 AM Author: Fuchsia Chapel ?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/friv/mvp.html |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 11:31 AM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian You gotta look a vegas lines. Not amateur takes with stats (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46175603) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 5:27 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel Who is betting 10:1 for Embiid lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46177356) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 8:34 AM Author: white hall Embiid is awesome, and if the entire NBA was IRL redrafted I would pick him ahead of Jokic and Tatum. I have a hard time taking him over Giannis just because of injuries and less quality minutes/lower stamina/plays he takes off. He’s arguably less additive than Jokic on offense bc of Jokic’s passing, and statistically Jokic just is an offense machine, but Embiid’s a bigger problem on ball who creates more space on the floor for others because of his drive skills, and he’s a muuuuch better rim protector and on ball defender. If you paired him with a team full of elite perimeter defenders who could shoot threes you’d win rings every year. Ie if you gave Embiid to Pop or another good coach plus a good GM like RC Slocum they’d win 60+ games every year and he’d be well rested and dominant in the conference finals and finals. Sadly he has the retarded moron Doc Rivers as his coach and Elton Brand is even worse as a GM, But Embiid is blowing away Jokic in Real Plus Minus this year despite their plus minuses being roughly equal, so advanced stats make a pretty compelling case for Embiid. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46175085) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 9:24 AM Author: Fuchsia Chapel Just gloss over the facts that Jokic is #1 in FG%, #1 in TS%, #3 in assists, and 4 of his teammates are having career seasons. Yes Embiid is marginally better on defense but he's not even in consideration for DPOY so who cares. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46175151) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 10:15 AM Author: white hall At the risk of stating what ought to be very obvious, it matters more that Embiid is a better defender because it makes him more valuable and it’s the primary reason why he crushes Jokic in T+/-. The fact that Jokic has better players around him devalues his assist stats and makes it easier for him to get easy shots. That said Jokic is objectively and independently amazing. As much as people bitch about Curry ruining the game we’re living in a time when 4 of the greatest centers ever are playing in their primes against each other in meaningful games throughout every season. I was talking about this the other day, but eg prime David Robinson is not fit to carry any of these dude’s jocks and would effectively be Rudy Gobert if he played today. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46175312) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 1:41 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel Points are well taken but Embiid obviously has better teammates than Denver's castoffs who only became good with Jokic. Defense argument would go further before stat nerds solved the NBA in mid-2000s and it became apparent that the best defense is a turbo-charged offense. Jokic's eFG% and assist/turnover ratio are absolutely absurd, i.e., video game franchise mode shit. Embiid has a lot of heart and he's a great scorer, but he takes a ton more shots than Jokic and doesn't make plays for anyone else. Luka Doncic has the highest active PPG of any active players (3rd all time), would be taken over Embiid right now by 30 out of 30 GMs, and he's sps compared to Jokic. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46176310) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 2:43 PM Author: white hall Jokic actually turns it over a lot. 3.6/game this year, 4th highest in the league. Embiid does too, but Jokic is hurt by TOs relative to most centers, including Embiid. Your defense take is half right, but rim protection is still a vital skill in the playoffs with more half court possessions and against the best players (who typically play on the best teams). We’ll just have to agree to disagree on supporting casts, but Embiid objectively does have a below average GM and coach. Seth Curry is a perfect player to compliment Embiid and should never have been traded to get a ball dominant, defensive liability guard. And Doc has done an awful job with rotations and managing Embiid’s minutes and the result is they will still have to beat Boston and the Bucks to even make the Finals. Again Pop would’ve won five rings with the Sixers 2020 roster. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46176561) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 4:40 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian You'd expect someone who passes the ball to have a lot more turnovers (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46177139) |
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Date: April 8th, 2023 12:30 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian condolences OP. Jokic is the best player (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46160646) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 1:45 PM Author: alcoholic arousing lay indirect expression No one who knows anything about basketball thinks Jokic deserves 3 MVPs in a row. Context is everything and if you didn't use advance stats and evaluated him like everyone did for all of time EXCEPT for the last 10 years, he would have won 1 at best.
Sorry. Those are the facts. And no one with a brain in their head if drafting right now would take Jokic over Embiid if we redrafted because of defense alone. |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 1:52 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel No one who knows anything about basketball thinks Kobe and Shaq should each have 1 MVP. It's honestly more about cumulative MVP win share than anything and in that category Jokic, Giannis and Embiid aren't really that far apart. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46176332) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 2:03 PM Author: alcoholic arousing lay indirect expression That's another reason really not to give Jokic 3. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46176389) |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 4:35 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian If embiid is so good, why is is plus minus such shit?
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/nba-leaders-in-plus-minus |
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Date: April 12th, 2023 5:46 PM Author: talented sienna brethren TBF, didn't he miss 20 games? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46177442) |
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Date: April 18th, 2023 11:49 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel He's lower in +/- than Draymond Green who missed almost the same # of games (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46204621) |
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Date: April 18th, 2023 11:44 PM Author: Fuchsia Chapel Jokic leading the odds now (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46204596) |
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Date: April 19th, 2023 11:17 AM Author: alcoholic arousing lay indirect expression https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KMzwRcilLDej0BWl7eYE_OYC9Tx9olI_Ptn-nHjKfpQ/edit#gid=643451732 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46205713) |
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Date: April 19th, 2023 11:23 AM Author: Appetizing striped hyena national lol why the fuck does GQ get a vote? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46205745) |
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Date: April 19th, 2023 11:25 AM Author: alcoholic arousing lay indirect expression Howard Beck was at SI forever. I think he just went to GQ and likely got to keep his vote. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46205751) |
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Date: April 19th, 2023 11:21 AM Author: Appetizing striped hyena national u sure? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46205731) |
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Date: May 2nd, 2023 10:05 PM Author: Doobsian duck-like persian (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46263719) |
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Date: May 11th, 2023 10:55 PM Author: Impertinent 180 quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46302137) |
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Date: May 12th, 2023 11:38 AM Author: Fuchsia Chapel Embiid is the worst MVP selection of any sport in any year ever when you factor in who lost to them (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5277287&forum_id=2#46303690) |