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What the fuck is beer "distribution"?

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/biggest-losers-bud-light-boy...
orange cerebral property
  05/25/23
same as any other distributership. theyre the people that sh...
lilac circlehead
  05/25/23
Why isn't it on the Walmart truck with everything else?
orange cerebral property
  05/25/23
often times its on bud light trucks they just dont drive to ...
lilac circlehead
  05/25/23
Watch 'Beer Wars'
Abnormal sooty state
  05/25/23
There is some weird 3 tier model required by law where brewe...
exhilarant insecure corn cake
  05/25/23
This is 180 btw "Truck drivers delivering Bud Light hav...
exhilarant insecure corn cake
  05/25/23
...
Bearded orchestra pit
  05/25/23
lol
razzmatazz geriatric meetinghouse
  05/25/23
lol poor bros tho, hung out to dry
obsidian locus
  05/25/23
...
fear-inspiring theater rigpig
  05/25/23
this makes me think America still has a chance
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  05/26/23
seems like it’s homophobic of the distributors to assu...
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  05/26/23
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  05/26/23
gay beer salesman tp
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  05/26/23
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lascivious hot rehab
  05/26/23
Middle man between producers and retailers.
crystalline exciting institution
  05/25/23
A legally mandated and utterly absurd middle man.
soggy federal travel guidebook
  05/25/23
100%. You should see the insane restrictions on brewerie...
crystalline exciting institution
  05/25/23
thank you religious conservatives!
Slap-happy Striped Hyena
  05/26/23
the law requires a 3-tier system (strict separation between ...
Contagious Pistol Goal In Life
  05/25/23
In popular imagination beer distributors print money. They j...
orange cerebral property
  05/25/23
yes and more importantly a personal connection to the manufa...
Contagious Pistol Goal In Life
  05/25/23
holy shit government is diaper
orange cerebral property
  05/25/23
the more people that are legally required to be involved the...
Contagious Pistol Goal In Life
  05/25/23
...
claret shitlib
  05/26/23
if you bought distributorships in the 70s and had an ounce o...
lilac circlehead
  05/25/23
That's where John McCain's wife's money come from, for insta...
soggy federal travel guidebook
  05/25/23
cr
lascivious hot rehab
  05/26/23
You don't know anyone who owns a beer distribtor or a soda d...
Amethyst Misanthropic Dilemma Round Eye
  05/25/23
Not the same
Misunderstood gold selfie
  05/25/23
no, it's the same
pea-brained pozpig
  05/25/23
...
Bearded orchestra pit
  05/25/23
...
swashbuckling sound barrier hairy legs
  05/25/23
(coca cola middleman)
Heady Location
  05/25/23
(jenny)
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  05/26/23
...
swashbuckling sound barrier hairy legs
  05/25/23
I know someone like this but they just own McDonald's franch...
Heady Location
  05/25/23
So 3 out of 4 rednecks are still drinking this? Pathetic.
Hairraiser corner feces
  05/25/23
There's got to be a certain amount of libs and fags who are ...
Bearded orchestra pit
  05/25/23
You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of ...
Razzle Painfully Honest Legal Warrant
  05/25/23
Why don't they just do gig economy bro like Amazon and have ...
orange cerebral property
  05/25/23
"You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the te...
Bearded orchestra pit
  05/25/23
But most manufacturers that are legally allowed to don&rsquo...
Razzle Painfully Honest Legal Warrant
  05/25/23
For various large segments of the consumer-facing economy, t...
Bearded orchestra pit
  05/25/23
Ljl you are clueless. Google “coca cola distributor...
Razzle Painfully Honest Legal Warrant
  05/25/23
There's more profit in alcohol than soda Plus with alcoho...
Bearded orchestra pit
  05/25/23
somewhat, the bread you see in the store is distributed by s...
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  05/26/23
restaurants and bars are not nearly as standardized as super...
maroon boyish bbw
  05/26/23
are you a lawyer?
Navy thriller party of the first part center
  05/25/23
What do you think?
Bearded orchestra pit
  05/25/23
Some of you are so ignorant about Business, it’s laugh...
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  05/25/23
...
Razzle Painfully Honest Legal Warrant
  05/25/23
...
Bearded orchestra pit
  05/25/23
...
Heady Location
  05/26/23
The media wants us to feel bad for these guys and stop our b...
180 shrine
  05/26/23
Can distributors distribute something else or do they have t...
180 shrine
  05/26/23
they have all kinds of shit. they’re more like salesma...
maroon boyish bbw
  05/26/23
Seems like a 1930s mindset. Salesman in 2023? Flame?
orange cerebral property
  05/26/23
producers don’t want to house shit or mix up their pro...
maroon boyish bbw
  05/26/23
Bud distributors also distribute Logan Paul's energy drink s...
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  05/26/23
Sounds like a racket that organized mobsters run in secret m...
harsh beady-eyed crotch
  05/26/23
...
Contagious Pistol Goal In Life
  05/26/23
i used to represent two beer distributors. family owned busi...
Wine office
  05/26/23
the biggest liquor distributors are multi-billion dollar fam...
Purple Area Black Woman
  05/26/23
...
Misunderstood gold selfie
  05/26/23
didn't Jesse Jackson end a boycott of A-B when he son was gi...
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  05/26/23
It's where the real money is made. Controlling distribution...
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  05/26/23


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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:20 PM
Author: orange cerebral property

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/biggest-losers-bud-light-boycott-hammers-hundreds-independent/story?id=99536969

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355703)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:22 PM
Author: lilac circlehead

same as any other distributership. theyre the people that ship bud light to businesses.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355717)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:23 PM
Author: orange cerebral property

Why isn't it on the Walmart truck with everything else?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355719)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:23 PM
Author: lilac circlehead

often times its on bud light trucks they just dont drive to literally everyone that sells it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355722)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: Abnormal sooty state

Watch 'Beer Wars'

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356317)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:24 PM
Author: exhilarant insecure corn cake

There is some weird 3 tier model required by law where breweries can't distribute their own beer

https://www.craftbeer.com/craft-beer-muses/three-tier-system-impacts-craft-beer

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355729)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:25 PM
Author: exhilarant insecure corn cake

This is 180 btw "Truck drivers delivering Bud Light have received the middle finger from passersby, distributors have faced intentional collisions from shopping carts as they drop off beer and vendors have endured homophobic jokes calling them "gay beer salesmen," according to top officials at several beer distribution companies."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355733)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: Bearded orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355766)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:43 PM
Author: razzmatazz geriatric meetinghouse

lol

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355829)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:27 PM
Author: obsidian locus

lol

poor bros tho, hung out to dry

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356000)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:38 PM
Author: fear-inspiring theater rigpig



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356272)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:12 PM
Author: maroon boyish bbw

this makes me think America still has a chance

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358492)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:17 PM
Author: learning disabled nursing home karate

seems like it’s homophobic of the distributors to assume “gay beer salesmen” was used as a homophobic joke and not a compliment.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358521)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:18 PM
Author: high-end kitchen



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358523)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:43 PM
Author: Turquoise vigorous people who are hurt



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358625)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:46 PM
Author: Flatulent Mentally Impaired Cruise Ship Queen Of The Night

gay beer salesman tp

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358635)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:10 PM
Author: lascivious hot rehab



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358789)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:26 PM
Author: crystalline exciting institution

Middle man between producers and retailers.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355735)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:33 PM
Author: soggy federal travel guidebook

A legally mandated and utterly absurd middle man.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355783)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:08 PM
Author: crystalline exciting institution

100%.

You should see the insane restrictions on breweries in NJ.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355932)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:35 PM
Author: Slap-happy Striped Hyena

thank you religious conservatives!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46359856)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:28 PM
Author: Contagious Pistol Goal In Life

the law requires a 3-tier system (strict separation between manufacturers, distributors, and retailers) to ensure that big time political donors get an equal slice of the monopoly. uhh sorry, i meant "to ensure the public health and safety."

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355755)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:29 PM
Author: orange cerebral property

In popular imagination beer distributors print money. They just have a fleet of big rigs?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355762)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:31 PM
Author: Contagious Pistol Goal In Life

yes and more importantly a personal connection to the manufacturer. once you land a distribution contract with a manufacturer no other distributor can move their product in your region. so you can imagine how much graft and corruption goes on in obtaining a contract from AB or brown forman or gallo wines. in any other business it'd be a blatant antitrust violation, but it's ok here because "it protects the public health and safety."

manufacturers across the country have had to fight like hell to sell their own product to-go because a manufacturer's license only allows for on-site consumption. the distributors and retailers lobby against it because it cuts them out - i mean uhh it endangers the public health and safety.

it's a total fucking racket.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355769)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:43 PM
Author: orange cerebral property

holy shit government is diaper

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355826)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:52 PM
Author: Contagious Pistol Goal In Life

the more people that are legally required to be involved the more people there are to ensure the public gets a safe, unadulterated product!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355872)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:43 PM
Author: claret shitlib



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358627)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:32 PM
Author: lilac circlehead

if you bought distributorships in the 70s and had an ounce of sense you did mint money same as anything else. but yeah its just wearhouses, contracts, and trucks, so its not like its inherently profitable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355779)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:34 PM
Author: soggy federal travel guidebook

That's where John McCain's wife's money come from, for instance.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355786)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:10 PM
Author: lascivious hot rehab

cr

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358792)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:44 PM
Author: Amethyst Misanthropic Dilemma Round Eye

You don't know anyone who owns a beer distribtor or a soda distributor?

It's basically the same thing as a car dealership with the same type of people owning them - they're given a legal monopoly and then for generations act like they're god's gift to business and "job creators"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355832)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 7:50 PM
Author: Misunderstood gold selfie

Not the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355862)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: pea-brained pozpig

no, it's the same

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356311)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:46 PM
Author: Bearded orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356480)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:48 PM
Author: swashbuckling sound barrier hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356484)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:59 PM
Author: Heady Location

(coca cola middleman)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356715)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:57 PM
Author: learning disabled nursing home karate

(jenny)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358712)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:45 PM
Author: swashbuckling sound barrier hairy legs



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356474)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:58 PM
Author: Heady Location

I know someone like this but they just own McDonald's franchises ljl

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356714)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 8:09 PM
Author: Hairraiser corner feces

So 3 out of 4 rednecks are still drinking this? Pathetic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46355937)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:48 PM
Author: Bearded orchestra pit

There's got to be a certain amount of libs and fags who are now drinking more Bud in some sort of fucked up solidarity with GC.

And it wouldn't take all that many to swing the pendulum a bit either, fags are notorious substance abusers & some rather small fraction of the population makes up a huge portion of alcohol sales.

IME it could still get a lot worse for Bud

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356314)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:42 PM
Author: Razzle Painfully Honest Legal Warrant

You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of thousands of retailers and restaurants in any decent sized city?

Distribution is the hidden industry of the American economy but it’s huge

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356287)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:47 PM
Author: orange cerebral property

Why don't they just do gig economy bro like Amazon and have mom and pops working for $4.13/hr after car wear deliver.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356306)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:49 PM
Author: Bearded orchestra pit

"You think corporate AB is gonna deliver beer to the tens of thousands of retailers and restaurants in any decent sized city?"

Uh yeah? They 100% would if they could.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356323)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:52 PM
Author: Razzle Painfully Honest Legal Warrant

But most manufacturers that are legally allowed to don’t do that

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356329)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:40 PM
Author: Bearded orchestra pit

For various large segments of the consumer-facing economy, they do all that and then some.

Soda, bread, chips, sweets, greeting cards at the grocery store? None of that shit passes through "normal" distribution channels. They all pay stores for shelf space and have their own distribution.

There's a reason why Tesla is fighting the dealership model. It's more profitable for them if they can sell direct to consumer.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356462)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:53 PM
Author: Razzle Painfully Honest Legal Warrant

Ljl you are clueless.

Google “coca cola distributor”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356499)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:47 PM
Author: Bearded orchestra pit

There's more profit in alcohol than soda

Plus with alcohol you're still dealing with a limited set of licensees that can sell your stuff. With soda your customer base is unlimited.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356679)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:18 PM
Author: lake set genital piercing

somewhat, the bread you see in the store is distributed by someone who owns the 'route'. it's still a private, 3rd party that gets an exclusive area and is expected to deliver inventory and hustle a bit to push product

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358525)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:19 PM
Author: maroon boyish bbw

restaurants and bars are not nearly as standardized as supermarkets

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358528)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:54 PM
Author: Navy thriller party of the first part center

are you a lawyer?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356335)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:40 PM
Author: Bearded orchestra pit

What do you think?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356464)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 9:57 PM
Author: Ebony zippy parlour volcanic crater

Some of you are so ignorant about Business, it’s laughable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356349)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 10:53 PM
Author: Razzle Painfully Honest Legal Warrant



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356501)



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Date: May 25th, 2023 11:47 PM
Author: Bearded orchestra pit



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356680)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 12:34 AM
Author: Heady Location



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356789)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 12:58 AM
Author: 180 shrine

The media wants us to feel bad for these guys and stop our boycott. Without xo, I might have had some sympathy for these monopolist shitheads

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46356829)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:11 PM
Author: 180 shrine

Can distributors distribute something else or do they have to starve to death if one product falls out of favor? I am sending $29 per month to support a starving bud light distributor, but it got me wondering

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358485)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:22 PM
Author: maroon boyish bbw

they have all kinds of shit. they’re more like salesman than delivery guys. like they might say “hey if you buy 20 cases of Popov I’ll throw in two free kegs of PBR.” shit like that. and the owner of a dive bar might switch the well vodka to Popov

people ITT who think restaurants and bars order consistent products and amounts like supermarkets are clueless

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358537)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:35 PM
Author: orange cerebral property

Seems like a 1930s mindset. Salesman in 2023? Flame?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358591)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:26 PM
Author: maroon boyish bbw

producers don’t want to house shit or mix up their production due to seasonality or just the fickleness of young idiots who booze. so they can just do what they do best - produce - and the distributors deal with transport, storage, etc. and if they want to dump something to get it off their books and/or out of their storage then they discount it and get it out to bars to deal with



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358885)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:54 PM
Author: mischievous irradiated lodge

Bud distributors also distribute Logan Paul's energy drink so they can make it up there.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358684)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:16 PM
Author: harsh beady-eyed crotch

Sounds like a racket that organized mobsters run in secret meetings

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358514)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:08 PM
Author: Contagious Pistol Goal In Life



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358778)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:40 PM
Author: Wine office

i used to represent two beer distributors. family owned businesses. basically a printing press. anyone in a distributor's geographical region that buys budweiser, miller, etc. have to buy it from the distributor.

there are laws in place that protect distributors too. they spend lots of money on lobbyists and such.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358617)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 1:55 PM
Author: Purple Area Black Woman

the biggest liquor distributors are multi-billion dollar family companies its crazy

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46358695)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:11 PM
Author: Misunderstood gold selfie



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5345927&forum_id=2#46359814)



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Date: May 26th, 2023 7:33 PM
Author: crimson erotic tanning salon preventive strike

didn't Jesse Jackson end a boycott of A-B when he son was given one of the biggest distributorships in the US?

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Date: May 26th, 2023 2:09 PM
Author: lascivious hot rehab

It's where the real money is made. Controlling distribution, i.e. the pipeline, ensures winners and losers.

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