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My firms partner payment formula is hilariously bad for me
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Date: November 20th, 2023 11:09 PM Author: zippy karate I work at a smaller ID firm that has a wills and trusts practice as well. We calculate partner % of distributions annually based on a 2 year running average of 4 buckets-shares, supervised revenue, individual revenue, and new client revenue. Every year, each bucket is totalled up and then your precent of the whole for each category is multiplied by .25 then added together with the other 3 categories to equal what your percentage of each distribution will be. Mine is around 10% now.
First 3 makes sense, but new client is most valuable and benefits the wills and trusts guys big time. A “new client” is one the firm had not had before and any revenue received over the first 2 years the client is new counts as new client revenue. For us ID guys, getting a new client is fairly rare as there are only so many insurers to represent. For wills guys, it’s like 100% of their individual and supervised revenue bc how many times do you need a will.
We have a guy who oversaw 275k in business last year and billed 350k ( some of his work was for other partners clients) whose about to end the year making 260k. Meanwhile, I oversaw 600k and billed 450k and have more shares than him and I’m about to make 210k lol.
Told guy I wanted to recalculate the formula and he says he was underpaid as associate and since that wasn’t fair it’s only right he get paid more now despite the fact that our associate pay is based on collections in large part, which he didn’t have.
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Date: November 20th, 2023 11:25 PM Author: Domesticated dragon So you'll make $210k and that's before Uncle Sam slides its big dick in you for its cut? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47080911) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:01 AM Author: zippy karate Basically. I’m on track to make 260k next year based on my increase in new client and individual billing’s from this year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47081523) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:38 AM Author: nubile philosopher-king stupid shit like this you need to just set a total comp number and back into it using bullshit metrics to justify. you end up with half the ppl making out like hyenas and half pissed and looking to quit if you don't. it would be easier to just pay everyone a salary. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47081601) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:25 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma Who cares whether the clients are new or not? Money is money. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082786) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 8:40 PM Author: zippy karate Exactly the argument we’ve been having. Basically it incentivizes you to take lower paid work for new client revenue since it’s the easiest way to boost your income as it’s only compared against other new client revenue. It will always benefit wills guys because 100% of their revenue is always new client. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084335) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:02 PM Author: Jade Step-uncle's House Toaster I think it is easier to charge new clients more. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084408) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:06 PM Author: zippy karate I’ve done the math, I personally make more by getting in clients that bill $100 per hour new than I would getting clients paying 800 per hour old. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084428) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:12 PM Author: Jade Step-uncle's House Toaster Take that example to your partners and that should force them to agree to a change. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084454) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:17 PM Author: zippy karate Have done so. One will guy protects other will guy. The main partner on my side makes enough that he doesn’t give a shit and just wants us to resolve it. Secondary will guy sees this as his reward for being underpaid for last 14 years. It literally only benefits him. Will prob get some concession to alter it this year but dude is pissed like you wouldn’t believe. The concession that he has agreed to will cost him $50k next year (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084488) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:19 PM Author: Jade Step-uncle's House Toaster My partnership formula is pretty 180 for new partners. Half of the profit is an even split between partners and the other half is divided based on revenue over the last 5 years with the most recent years weighted the most. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084499) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:31 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma Then that shows up in collections, etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084536) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:34 PM Author: Jade Step-uncle's House Toaster I always get big retainers from new clients. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084546) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:36 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma Which would be accounted for in your billings and collections. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084558) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:37 PM Author: Jade Step-uncle's House Toaster I thought you were saying something else. Nevermind. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084567) |
Date: November 20th, 2023 11:22 PM Author: stirring nursing home cuckoldry How many partners? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47080905) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:01 AM Author: zippy karate 6. One partners comp is around $800k, but he’s responsible for $4m in billings (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47081522) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:44 PM Author: stirring nursing home cuckoldry What's your hourly rate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084637) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 11:25 PM Author: Burgundy meetinghouse psychic sounds like retards scuffling performing jew math (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47080912) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:23 PM Author: puce odious international law enforcement agency mfcr (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082771) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 3:01 PM Author: lavender useless brakes (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082981) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 11:26 PM Author: salmon area puppy sounds like the perfect storm for the firm to split up (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47080915) |
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Date: November 20th, 2023 11:26 PM Author: Costumed 180 Chad that’s actually offensive. op, i don’t want to come off as combative because i don’t know who you are. it seems you recognize there’s a problem and are hopefully taking the initial steps to solve it. but, as an intellectual exercise, i simply cannot imagine being represented by an attorney—a role that requires understanding all of the relevant facts of a given situation and using insight/positioning/leverage/creativity/etc. to achieve the optimal outcome therefrom—if this is the best he can do for himself. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:02 AM Author: big pistol center Wow man that only leaves a shitload of money for you, I'll say a prayer. Amazing you were butthurt enough to write that whole screed about it (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47081525) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:02 AM Author: buck-toothed ratface laser beams $210k is laughable
Enjoy poverty |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:19 PM Author: zippy karate I live in are country. My house cost $465k and I pay $2k in property tax a year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082748) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:19 PM Author: nubile philosopher-king those taxes are abnormally low or you way overpaid for your house (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082750) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:21 PM Author: zippy karate we have a 180 credit system for primary residences. Vacation state where second homes are taxed to death. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082761) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:24 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma What's your rate? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082778) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:24 PM Author: purple unhinged market coldplay fan that's a horrible way to do things. fuck that. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082779) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:24 PM Author: Iridescent address My firm's formula, if it exists, is a secret (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082782) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:26 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma Are you a partner? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082790) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:53 PM Author: Swashbuckling stock car I get calls all the time from lawyers, accountants, doctors, whoever. " Okay. And how is your compensation calculated?" *Pause* " I have no idea" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082919) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 2:57 PM Author: Iridescent address Well, I know how it's calculated. The remuneration committee exercises its infinite wisdom and writes down a number on a piece of paper. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082945) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 3:02 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma Is the idea that people don't respond to economic incentives, so why bother trying? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082985) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 3:04 PM Author: Iridescent address I think the idea is that those in charge would prefer to take a "holistic approach" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47082999) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 3:15 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma Read: They like blowjobs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47083095) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 8:55 PM Author: Sable temple mediation WTF.
Assuming you paid off of your billings alone and billed 1,500 hours -- that's only $140 / hour.
How is that possible? |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 8:56 PM Author: Sable temple mediation Why would you not just go solo, WFH and make 2x as much working 1/2 as much? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084386) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:35 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084552) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:05 PM Author: zippy karate There is no planet in which you’re paid 100% of your billables. Get real bro (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084424) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:35 PM Author: Sable temple mediation I said "assuming..." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084548) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 8:58 PM Author: Jade Step-uncle's House Toaster The wills guys are more valuable because if your carrier leaves, you don't have anything. The will guys can get through good times and bad times.
Why can't you get non-ID clients? I started on almost 100 percent ID now I barely do any. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:03 PM Author: zippy karate I say ID, we’re about 30% ID, 60% SIRs and 10% wills. There is no scenario where wills guys could support the firm. They’re literally getting paid 60% of their collections as is. Probably generate 3/24 distributions per year. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084418) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:12 PM Author: Jade Step-uncle's House Toaster What is SIRs? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084449) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:13 PM Author: Cracking Theater Stage Self insured retention (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084457) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:42 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma How is that different from insurance defense? Do they hire one firm until they hit the SIR and then pass it off to the insurer's chosen firm?
Whenever I've been involved in a case with a SIR, the insured cuts a check to the insurance defense firm or the insurer up front, and it proceeds like any other insurance defense case. |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:13 PM Author: zippy karate Self insured retentions where company controls counsel selection. Better rates, more diversity of client base, less ID bs. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084459) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:43 PM Author: passionate carmine whorehouse friendly grandma What sort of policies? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084626) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:57 PM Author: Nudist buff station foreskin How do you get ID clients (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084694) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:37 PM Author: Nudist buff station foreskin How did you get ID clients (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084572) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:40 PM Author: Jade Step-uncle's House Toaster I have barely ever got any. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084603) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:20 PM Author: autistic citrine ticket booth hominid Thought this said baby formula all day (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084502) |
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Date: November 21st, 2023 9:55 PM Author: fighting bossy bawdyhouse gaping Are you gen x lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5447693&forum_id=2#47084688) |