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Why are Dems trying to blame global/national trends for loss rather than Kamala?
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Date: November 8th, 2024 9:16 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,. do you think it's because they subconsciously know that she was a DEI candidate, and that there's something unseemly about openly shitting on someone who shouldn't have even been there in the first place? like, if you hire someone purely because of demographics, and it turns out they're shitty, you tend to blame yourself rather than that person because in some sense that's where the blame should lie, but also it doesn't feel good to criticize someone who just couldn't help it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48309952) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 3:35 PM Author: sartorial physiognomy (ELIMINATE TWO THIRDS OF THE SCHOOL DAY) they know (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311828) |
Date: November 8th, 2024 9:32 AM Author: .,.,.,,.,,..,,,.,.,...,.,,.,. It's bizarre. They immediately attacked HRC who did far better than Kamala. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48310002) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 10:02 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48310096) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 10:04 AM Author: Gregor I've heard this a lot for years from my lib friends. "Inflation just happens; it goes up and down; the president doesnt have anything to do with that" (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48310103) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 11:16 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48310437) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 11:19 AM Author: Respect your Elders (1799 SOL away from student loan freedom (thanks gator)) cognitive dissonance. we saw this with cons and their stolen election claims around the 2020 election (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48310447) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 11:53 AM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48310655) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 11:57 AM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, it takes a lot of introspection to say, "we by-passed the voting process repeatedly and did it this time to select a DEI candidate with a terrible track record in electoral contests." (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48310673) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 1:12 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,. do you think they at least think this, even if they're not saying it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311032) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 1:55 PM Author: ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i'd bet my life there are quite a few elite libs who are saying this behind closed doors.
the Dem train went off the tracks with Obama. he was a once in a century level opportunity. so even though he was a junior senator who had accomplished nothing in his professional life they went with him. at that point the DNC began to peremptorily select candidates rather than trust the voting process. Hillary, Biden, and Harris were all the result of that process. |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 1:15 PM Author: cannon Have you ever talked to a woman about her mistakes? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311042) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 1:27 PM Author: ....,,....,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.......,.,.,.,.,..,. Dems could not have won in this climate. That said a Shapiro/whoever ticket probably would have won the popular vote and let Dems maintain the fiction that Trump is an illegitimate president. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311096) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 1:45 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,. you don't think 2008 obama would have won in this environment? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311175) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 1:53 PM Author: .;:..;:;.:.;.,,,.,.:,.;;,;;;..;, 2008 obama started this mess (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311234) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 1:49 PM Author: Ass Sunstein Because it's true.
Kamala wasn't a superstar candidate but she wasn't terrible. Basically a "replacement-level" candidate, no worse than Biden or Kerry or Romney really. Better than McCain and Dole.
I think Trump would have still beaten any of the other Dem contenders (Shapiro, Newsom, Biden, whoever), so I don't think it was a terrible error running Kamala.
2008 Obama was a superstar candidate so, yeah, Trump probably wouldn't have beaten 2008 Obama.
Trends like inflation, the economy, mood about whether things are improving or not, etc are always the most important. |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 2:15 PM Author: michael doodikoff She was several deviations below Biden or Kerry or Romney, and also much worse than McCain and Dole. She sucked (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311342) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 3:45 PM Author: ...,.......,.....,....,,....,......,......, Seriously this is an insult to someone like Dole. Do you think he would bomb friendly interviews like that and come off so poorly? Holy shit this place is fucking stupid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311884) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 4:15 PM Author: Ass Sunstein Dole often came across as an angry guy, and I think he was a below-replacement-level candidate in terms of how many votes he got compared to a generic (younger) Republican that could have run that year vs Clinton. He never once looked like he had a chance to win that election, and the whole thing was basically over before it started.
Obviously Kamala is a retarded bird-brain and he was a good dude, but they both had certain advantages/disadvantages as candidates. |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 3:45 PM Author: ...,.......,.....,....,,....,......,......, Lol no she's much worse than Kerry, Romney or Dole are you kidding me? They may have been stiffs or in the wrong time but she's genuinely dumb. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311879) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 4:13 PM Author: Ass Sunstein I agree she's a lot dumber than all of them and would have been a worse president than any of them.
But, I don't think that any of them (or equivalent Dem-version of them) would have done significantly better than she did in the election vs. Trump. I think some of them would have actually done worse than she did. That's what I mean by better/worse. How many votes they would have gotten compared to her. Not their actual merits or intelligence or qualifications or whatever. |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 1:51 PM Author: lsd Libs dont believe minorities have agency. Same way when they criticize conservative blacks, they attack them based on being under influence of white supremacy. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48311220) |
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Date: November 8th, 2024 5:40 PM Author: .,.,...,..,.,.,:,,:,...,:::..,.,:,.,.:.,:.,:.::,. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=5630094&forum_id=2#48312357) |