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PSA: Problem with BigLaw is not the work...
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Date: March 4th, 2015 7:52 PM Author: Electric cocky national It's the people.
This dawned on me today. The work can be interesting at times, if you're interested in the subject matter. But it's the people who make BigLaw unbearable.
The irony is all of the annoying people were juniors once and probably felt the same. Why did they turn out into the same annoying people they once hated? |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 7:52 PM Author: Glassy hell are all practice groups equal when it comes to shitty people? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430232) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:40 PM Author: fear-inspiring multi-billionaire all the non-annoying people left to go elsewhere (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430495) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 10:57 AM Author: Marvelous Regret Institution (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32204383) |
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Date: July 10th, 2020 2:11 PM Author: ;.,.,.;;;::.,.;.,;.;.;.;.;;::..;.;.,,, (Beer Like Water. Drugs Like Candy. Women Like Tissue.) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#40580944) |
Date: March 4th, 2015 8:01 PM Author: heady obsidian home queen of the night "The irony is all of the annoying people were juniors once and probably felt the same. Why did they turn out into the same annoying people they once hated?"
The chill people who felt the way you do all left biglaw. Sounds like you will too. The annoying people who are within a couple of years of your class year? Breakfast, at this or some other firm, then the cycle begins again. |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:11 PM Author: bossy national security agency school I duno bro I've basically turned into an asshole whereas I was a chill bro when I started. I get extremely, extremely annoyed when some clueless lazy person under me isn't doing their job or tries to get me to do their job. And I do remember being a junior and feeling that seniors were assholes for treating me like that. But it's so hard not to when you feel like you ate so much shit and jumped through so many hoops being a little manservant bitch and then some dufus under you acts like he isn't being paid a ton of $$$ to figure shit out and actually do work, not get me to do it for them. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430337) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:35 PM Author: sick address fanboi You're a manager in a profession that places no value on management skills, so no wonder you suck at it.
My immediate boss is a former biglawyer and she's a godawful manager. Mba types at least have the basics down |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:39 PM Author: bossy national security agency school To be fair, I don't really manage anyone. It's not like I have my own team or I have any personnel input. I'm in-house.
I have my doubts about how good the normal MBA shit is. It's just a bunch of corporate speak and "great job!" and issue avoidance and "that was a productive 3 hr meeting even though we decided nothing except that we'll talk about this more in the future" type of shit. I see it all the time in inhouse how absolutely worthless employees get to stick around getting paid almost the same or even more than useful people. At least firms are largely a meritocracy. |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 7:58 AM Author: saffron gaming laptop completely fucking wrong. this is - in large part - an intellectual profession that requires long hours and responsiveness. there is no "managing" that solves for stupid grads of northwestern or northeastern or suffolk, and/or lazy fucks from anywhere. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27432848) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 10:34 AM Author: Dashing Parlour whoa dude this is really harsh about northwestern (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32204188) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 11:40 AM Author: Well-lubricated indirect expression This is wrong, but generally the common thinking. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32204747) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:07 PM Author: blathering ruby church building coldplay fan Then why do it? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430311) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:09 PM Author: bossy national security agency school "The work can be interesting at times,"
It's rarely interesting after you've done it for a handful of yrs. You are looking at the same shit you've done over and over again. I agree though that the worst part of it is the people, by far. |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:10 PM Author: blathering ruby church building coldplay fan Anyone who finds biglaw work truly interesting needs to have their head examined. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430327) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:15 PM Author: bossy national security agency school Deal work can be interesting at first in the same way a puzzle is interesting. But then it's like being forced to sit down and put the exact same 50,000 piece puzzle together every single day and it sucks balls. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430355) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:32 PM Author: Soul-stirring frum garrison laser beams Same thing in certain types of litigation. Obviously large-scale lit with tons of doc review is bullshit, but I've definitely been on some smaller cases that wound up having some pretty interesting legal issues. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430444) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 10:30 PM Author: Snowy appetizing state selfie cr.
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:51 PM Author: Fuchsia violent menage degenerate transactional bros who left biglaw: at what point did the novelty wear off? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430565) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 9:32 PM Author: Territorial bronze stage Yep. The work is dull as fuck. You'd have to be a pretty passionless human being to not wish you were doing anything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430879) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 8:58 AM Author: Motley piazza (Guy who doesn't work in tax) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27432969) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 9:17 AM Author: tan mother locus Drafting sucks. Telling other people what to draft isn't nearly as bad. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32203675) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:31 PM Author: Topaz godawful locale puppy It's the people and the work, hth. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430438) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:36 PM Author: diverse claret idea he suggested library and the hours etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430469) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:54 PM Author: Topaz godawful locale puppy It's not the seamless though (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430585) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 6:38 AM Author: bearded people who are hurt base Idk sometimes food that's good at restaurants comes out all soggy when I get it from seamless.
Plus eating dinner at your desk makes you a fat. |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 8:46 PM Author: Twinkling Wild Nowag Location I like the people and the work a lot. My problem is the business of law: client demands, poorly run organization, hours, lack of incentive to bill honestly. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430521) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 6:41 AM Author: bearded people who are hurt base Yeah the the fatal flaw is biglaw is the billable hour. The only way the firm maximizes profits is if people are working all the time, so the partners aren't happy unless people are working all the time. Hence the 5 pm fire drill calls on Fridays etc. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27432775) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 9:34 PM Author: Cream disgusting round eye lettuce FLAME ITS THE UNPREDICTABILITY (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430888) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 9:35 PM Author: Cream disgusting round eye lettuce IN BALANCE ON BALANCE (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27430894) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 8:53 AM Author: startling kitchen (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32203556) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 1:46 PM Author: Chestnut Excitant Theatre Quadroon (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32205857) |
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Date: March 4th, 2015 10:37 PM Author: mahogany supple senate Can't speak to all legal work, but corporate/m&a work sucks. If you're working on a big deal with sophisticated clients, even the partners are mostly taking orders from the business people. And a lot of it is complicated, but not in an exciting way, in a shitty, it's hard to keep track of all these trivial details that are constantly changing kind of way. If you're working on small deals and the firm is more in control of the deal, the deal isn't interesting and the client just wants you to 'paper' whatever stupid transaction they think they've agreed upon and they don't understand why the 'legal stuff is so complicated and expensive.'
The people are often terrible too. Most of the lawyers in my office are decent enough, but the clients suck and the firm lawyers are going to do whatever the clients ask and let shit roll down hill.
The hours aren't always terrible, but they're always unpredictable. |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 10:13 PM Author: Dun kitty god corporate sounds awful. but at least you have exit opps (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27438060) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 12:43 AM Author: Motley piazza I can deal with most of them--and in fact, many are decent. The only folks that routinely get on my nerves are certain mid levels in shitty practice areas, who can be hostile and imperious without knowing much of anything. Don't usually get that sort of deadly combination with more senior folks. Junior associates can be annoying at times, but usually it's understandable (e.g., they are just trying to figure out how to do their job and what that job is). (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27432203) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 10:27 PM Author: Black big corner gridding 100 deals out is pretty bad regardless of how chill your supervisor is. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27438151) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 9:19 AM Author: tan mother locus At least you're at a preftigious firm (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32203682) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 10:47 PM Author: Snowy appetizing state selfie um, it's the work (which includes the hours, pressure, on-call, emergencies, etc.). most people at any job hates their boss. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27438356) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 10:51 PM Author: diverse claret idea he suggested library yea look researching the law and writing up your "findings" isn't intrinsically terrible. and same goes for "performing" the law in depositions and the like. but the typical biglaw shit makes it all awful. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27438382) |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 11:02 PM Author: Snowy appetizing state selfie yeah, and your happiness is very variant based on what you're working on. if you're working on a smaller case with interesting issues and getting to do cool stuff, it's infinitely better than working on some hell-hole megacase. so, in that sense, it is precisely the work. it's usually shitty, but it can be good if you're lucky.
also, even if you work with great people, if you're on a hell-hole case, it still sucks. |
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Date: March 5th, 2015 10:51 PM Author: odious associate the people in biglaw probably started out OK
slowly but surely, large portions of their lives were deleted
now they are old and sad and get really mad if u don't do the same thing |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 10:18 AM Author: Provocative Alpha As soon as the period began which had produced the present Ivan Ilych, all that had then seemed joys now melted before his sight and turned into something trivial and often nasty.
And the further he departed from childhood and the nearer he came to the present the more worthless and doubtful were the joys. This began with the School of Law. A little that was really good was still found there — there was light-heartedness, friendship, and hope. But in the upper classes there had already been fewer of such good moments. Then during the first years of his official career, when he was in the service of the governor, some pleasant moments again occurred: they were the memories of love for a woman. Then all became confused and there was still less of what was good; later on again there was still less that was good, and the further he went the less there was.
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Date: March 6th, 2015 12:15 AM Author: cerebral canary theater stage I never really understand why people complain so much about asshole mid level or senior associates. Fuck them. They probably aren't making partner and if they are that horrible you don't want to work with them anyways. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27438930) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 12:27 AM Author: Motley piazza Weird post. The reason people conplain about then is because they are forces to work with them. It's not elective. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#27439012) |
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Date: March 6th, 2015 10:39 AM Author: impressive exhilarant center yea i think this is backwards...i find that most people in biglaw are super smart hardworking with families and community roots etc...sure theres an asshole here and there but what org doesnt have that...i think its the nature of the work and also the fact that law firm organization makes people compete with one another rather than collaborate on projects etc etc
oh who is this thread kidding its the HOURS |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 8:55 AM Author: Fiercely-loyal hall the people are 180. the work is 180. but people who don't understand the work is 120. and understanding the work without ur people is 120.
to make biglaw 180 u need to understand the TRUE ASSIGNMENT, then be able to TEACH IT to ur team, or put them on a path so they can get it.
i'm taking over, folks. i'm going to make biglaw 180 for everyone. and i'm going to do it all by just being the best cog i can be and not adding 2 much value at any level. it's 180. |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 10:39 AM Author: Dashing Parlour I get a fucking RUSH when I start hitting the ground on that new deal or when its about to close and you can just feel the seams tightening when you're drafting that purchase agreement. people bitch about the seniors or partners but just do what they say its not that hard. I once heard the joke that "your boss isnt always right but hes always your boss!" Lmao. I think about that a lot and just chuckle a little but its so true. Just relax and keep the engine running because deals HAVE TO CLOSE. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32204226) |
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Date: December 22nd, 2016 11:57 AM Author: bull headed pocket flask volcanic crater (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=2822531&forum_id=2#32204895) |