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is sedevacantism presigious?
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Date: June 15th, 2017 9:59 PM Author: Magenta mind-boggling trailer park hominid (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569149) |
Date: June 15th, 2017 10:00 PM Author: Pea-brained point friendly grandma Increasingly. I predict the Vatican II reforms will eventually be rolled back. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569159) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:04 PM Author: Magenta mind-boggling trailer park hominid lol (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569184) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:11 PM Author: Pea-brained point friendly grandma The only Catholics left will be traditional Catholics. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569248) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:19 PM Author: Magenta mind-boggling trailer park hominid there is no such thing as a modernist catholic (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569309) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:23 PM Author: Pea-brained point friendly grandma Yes, they're called ex-Catholics and sadly the Church thinks they can be recovered by moderating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569337) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:30 PM Author: Electric base cr. they are the only ones left with any fervor and growing. the modernists basically have figured out if you take liberal catholicism seriously, why go to church on sundays at all? and once the persecution starts in earnest, they will scatter. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569392) |
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Date: June 16th, 2017 1:42 AM Author: Cyan unhinged locus headpube (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33570604) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:35 PM Author: Electric base this is also cr.
i ran into a jesuit this weekend at a baptism who pulled me aside to chat after seeing me explain something to my daughter. quote--"i heard you say holy ghost and i knew, i can talk to this guy".
anyways, he says--and he's older--"we failed your generation and taught you nothing. once people started taking liberalism seriously, they didn't see a point to coming. i teach as X high school, scripture, and they love it. they come to the orthodox interpretations all on their own because you would not come to the liberal readings own your own. they have to be put there by someone else."
they are starting to see where they failed.
CF christopher ferrara's work on vatican ii. he has the best way to deal with vatican ii "act as if it didn't happen since nothing was mandated to be believed from it except where they repeat catholic dogma, they rest was pastoral recommendations." |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 11:00 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate not a with priest, but i saw a guy i know as an acquaintance from work at church a few weeks ago. conversations since then have been much more open (both about personal things, like his dad being sick, and religious/cultural things). i imagine seeing someone posting on xo or someone seeing me posting would be similar. it's an interesting phenomenon, the more mass media encourages witch hunts, the more traditional sorts of group identity are going to matter for trust. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569596) |
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Date: June 16th, 2017 1:42 AM Author: Cyan unhinged locus headpube 18000000000000000000000000000000 (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33570603) |
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Date: June 16th, 2017 1:42 AM Author: Cyan unhinged locus headpube "they come to the orthodox interpretations all on their own because you would not come to the liberal readings own your own. they have to be put there by someone else"
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:00 PM Author: Multi-colored embarrassed to the bone parlour not now maybe later (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569160) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:13 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate this would have been an awesome aspect of marine le pen winning france, since there would be a far right catholic figure to be compared to the shitlib pope. imagine if he denounced her deporting migrants and her ignoring the condemnation. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569272) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:19 PM Author: Magenta mind-boggling trailer park hominid le pen is a heretic who supports abortion (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569313) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:20 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate i doubt it. she ostracized her father for cheating on her mother, seems pretty socially conservative. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569321) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:25 PM Author: rebellious dysfunction what's wrong with Viktor Orban (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569347) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:26 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate france >>> hungary. it's a cultural and political backwater, and not one of the quintessential western european nations. also, hungary voting in a far right guy is a lot less surprising than "let's just repatriate north africa in our suburbs" france (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569361) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:27 PM Author: rebellious dysfunction (Romanian) (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569367) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:29 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate lolwhat? slavs are slavs, bro. there's no point differentiating. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569383) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:30 PM Author: rebellious dysfunction neither Hungarians nor Romanians are slavs, brother (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569395) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:33 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate mea culpa (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs#/media/File:SlavicEurope.png), didn't realize they were surrounded by slavs but not slavic themselves. my point about lack of prestige and cultural capital still stands though. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569418) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:28 PM Author: Electric base no. read siscoe/salza's true pope false pope. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569374) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:29 PM Author: Bright Supple Telephone Woah this is uncanny (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569386) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:41 PM Author: Electric base (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569492) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:29 PM Author: Bright Supple Telephone Beckersted I need you to weigh in ITT (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569379) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:29 PM Author: Azure Death Wish i guess more credited than following the last half dozen popes but its not a prestigious irl schtick. just outs you as a weird fuck. the whole christianity thing is a jewish cuck scam anyway (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569380) |
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Date: June 16th, 2017 1:50 AM Author: Cyan unhinged locus headpube If Christianity is a jewish cuck scam, then why is it that European self-respect/assertiveness and devotion to Christianity go hand in hand?
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Date: June 16th, 2017 7:39 PM Author: Azure Death Wish tbf, a lot of "christian" practices and beliefs(for catholics and orthodox particularly) borrow from native european religion. no coincidence that the more protestant countries are generally more cucked and have more atheists (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33576572) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:34 PM Author: Slippery swollen dragon national no, its prole as fuck (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569422) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:36 PM Author: Bright Supple Telephone Explain. SSPX have at least a veneer of intellectual rigor.
And to state the obvious I'm an ex-catholic super athiest. |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:39 PM Author: Electric base sspx is "this close" to coming back into full communion. the fssp has the same rigor, if not more, and is in full communion.
as a matter of fact, thinking quickly on it, the best books in the last 10 years have been fssp books. nothing superfluous and ripperger's the binding force of tradition will become classics. |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:41 PM Author: Electric base also, read the siscoe/salza. it's basically the map of why the fssp exists. REALLY rigorous. written by lawyers. RIGOR. SCHOLARSHIP. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569488) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:46 PM Author: Bright Supple Telephone I'll be honest and say I've dispassionately skimmed some of it and wasn't impressed only because their argument seems to be that Francis hasn't messed anything up severely and invoked infallibility on fundamental issues.
It's still difficult to remain interested in the finer points of liturgy and law when I don't follow the premise that God exists. However as an Irish Italian mutt I have to root for the home team |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:50 PM Author: Electric base i think they cover the argument in granularity where ripperger's "binding force of tradition" rips through it in 50 pages. siscoe/salza is the full stop argument defeating sedevacantism imho. especially with the death of Hesse and cikada falling out of the spotlight, there are no truly intelligent sedes left writing and speaking. and those who would be sedes rest in the fssp.
continue rooting for the home team. hopefully you come home someday. |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:36 PM Author: spectacular organic girlfriend quite clearly Mel Gibson did nothing wrong.
lmao at the current pope especially but there's no reason to be papist at all. it's over and done. join the orthodox church. |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:37 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate but they deny the filioque. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569456) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:43 PM Author: spectacular organic girlfriend not relevant.
bc the papists are literally having gay pedo orgies when they're not busy supporting ISIS |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:45 PM Author: Electric base theology and the creed are very relevant. flawed men (libpedos) are going to be flawed. they will fall away. but the barque floats. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569512) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:40 PM Author: Electric base Pope Francis is the last of his kind and he serves a very important function.
put aside the liberalism...he talks about the devil being real A LOT. this is good. |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:47 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate this seems cr. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569522) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:52 PM Author: Electric base the same priest i spoke to this weekend mentioned it. he thinks HH was an exorcist. like he speaks as if he knows for sure. he isn't more sure when speaking about anything else. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569546) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:55 PM Author: Azure Death Wish this is pretty interesting brother any more details about why the priest thinks this? (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569566) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 11:01 PM Author: Electric base i assume from knowing other jesuits. it clicked with me and made me look back at other times he's spoken, either at the angelus or mass and he talks about the devil alot and with great authority. like he's saying "water is wet". talking about something theological in principal versus something one has experienced has a very different tone. i buy it. and buenos aires is the kind of environment where exorcism is not rare. the cadre of priests who have the faculty is probably more than a handful and, iirc, all bishops have the faculty. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569600) |
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Date: June 15th, 2017 10:59 PM Author: Pea-brained point friendly grandma That makes sense. No way a lib like Francis would still believe if he hadn't observed supernatural phenomena. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33569593) |
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Date: June 16th, 2017 2:27 AM Author: Vigorous Dog Poop Lettuce Who cares? It's true. (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33570688) |
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Date: June 16th, 2017 12:27 PM Author: hyperventilating roommate (http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=3649110&forum_id=2#33572761) |
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