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... and the “articulate”
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It's in the link, on his website.
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he almost literally is quoting john roberts in parents invol...
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Yea the podcast he had with Charles Murray a few years ago w...
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why should the tweets and "offensive" behavior (by...
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The left called Bush Hitler too. Is Trump that unusual?
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LOL, always projecting
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his confrontation with Ben Affleck on Bill Mahrer about radi...
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waking up or lying?
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the end of faith
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what is his stance on "free will"?
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what is his stance on "free will"?
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harris is a slave to foundationalism
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I've wondered what Harris' take on Rorty would be.
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Date: June 18th, 2020 11:40 PM
Author: Idiotic Clown

his latest podcast is a long, nuanced review of the data. twitter: "racist!!!!"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40447209)



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Date: June 18th, 2020 11:45 PM
Author: Hairraiser yellow business firm incel

He’s secretly based and red pilled

I watched an old roundtable discussion with him and the other three horsemen and he was the only one to mention the race-IQ gap. Hitchens brushed it off as unsubstantiated. Lol okay.



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40447235)



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Date: June 18th, 2020 11:45 PM
Author: talented lilac mental disorder

cr he's only half jewish so he's half based and redpilled

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40447242)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:02 AM
Author: Deep white casino



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Date: June 18th, 2020 11:52 PM
Author: tantric location

this soy boy who self deported to Hong Kong is triggered

https://twitter.com/hkcorresponds/status/1271766530401935360

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40447289)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:23 PM
Author: Burgundy Mood

My cat’s name is 牛油.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449997)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:07 PM
Author: Self-centered ape library

Yeah, classical liberals and iconoclastic conservatives are the biggest threat to Jews.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451505)



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Date: June 18th, 2020 11:54 PM
Author: shaky fat ankles

good so far ty

I wish I could like this kike bc he maeks good points in a world without hithcens

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40447295)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 8:58 AM
Author: Carnelian pit trump supporter

Blacks are 13 percent of the population, but they commit at least 50 percent of the murders and other violent crimes.

If you have 13 percent of the population responsible for 50 percent of the murders—and in some cities committing 2/3rds of all violent crime—what percent of police attention should it attract? I don’t know. But I’m pretty sure it’s not just 13 percent. Given that the overwhelming majority of their victims are black, I’m pretty sure that most black people wouldn’t set the dial at 13 percent either.

And here we arrive at the core of the problem. The story of crime in America is overwhelmingly the story of black-on-black crime. It is also, in part, a story of black-on-white crime. For more than a generation, crime in America really hasn’t been a story of much white-on-black crime.

The murder rate has come down steadily since the early 1990’s, with only minor upticks. But, nationwide, blacks are still 6 times more likely to get murdered than whites, and in some cities their risk is double that. And around 95 percent of the murders are committed by members of the African American community. [While reported in 2015, these data were more than a decade old. Looking at more recent data from the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report, the number appears to be closer to 90 percent.—SH]

The weekend these protests and riots were kicking off nationwide—when our entire country seemed to be tearing itself apart over a perceived epidemic of racist police violence against the black community, 92 people were shot, and 27 killed, in Chicago alone—one city. This is almost entirely a story of black men killing members of their own community. And this is far more representative of the kind of violence that the black community needs to worry about. And, ironically, it’s clear that one remedy for this violence is, or would be, effective policing.

https://samharris.org/can-pull-back-brink/

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448444)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 9:00 AM
Author: walnut doctorate

an adult has entered the room. unfortunately, it's sam harris, but you take what you can get.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448447)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:15 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle gaping



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:51 AM
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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:04 AM
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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:40 AM
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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:28 PM
Author: Cheese-eating Nursing Home Mad-dog Skullcap



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:18 PM
Author: crawly church building filthpig



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Date: June 19th, 2020 3:23 PM
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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: bateful duck-like abode double fault



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: drab cruel-hearted degenerate



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:04 AM
Author: canary liquid oxygen striped hyena

And don't forget to subtract women, young children, and old men from the 13%, because they're not doing a lot of the killing. You could also go ahead and remove the well-dressed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448662)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:19 PM
Author: crawly church building filthpig

... and the “articulate”

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450324)



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Date: June 20th, 2020 1:18 PM
Author: Impressive crackhouse

Egregious anti-Brother Mouzone trolling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40457026)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:14 AM
Author: lascivious zombie-like rehab voyeur



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:17 AM
Author: mildly autistic set persian

I look forward to ietps retarded take on this succinct screed

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448737)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:18 AM
Author: filthy locale queen of the night

oh shit

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448741)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:53 AM
Author: Harsh excitant background story

this is your greatest parody yet

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449415)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:19 PM
Author: crawly church building filthpig



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Date: June 19th, 2020 7:23 PM
Author: Self-centered ape library

It's in the link, on his website.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40452377)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:34 PM
Author: Burgundy Mood

he almost literally is quoting john roberts in parents involved: "the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449657)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 9:17 AM
Author: Shivering Old Irish Cottage Scourge Upon The Earth

Yea the podcast he had with Charles Murray a few years ago was pretty solid proof that he is redpilled. No idea why he has TDS though...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448493)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:38 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle gaping

I think a lot of people with TDS take politics too seriously. It is an affront to them that someone crass like Trump was elected President. "Smart" people attach importance to how he represents the US abroad to other "smart" people and they are offended by his boorish style. Similarly, they know supporting Trump makes you look like an uneducated white guy, and they definitely don't want that association. In short, appearances.

Don't know if Harris is like this or not.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448884)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:00 AM
Author: arousing lettuce institution

I mean, there are plenty of reasons to dislike Trump. And how a president “presents” himself to the rest of the country and the world is a big part of a president’s responsibilities. Trump seems not to have the respect for that responsibility that the position demands. We could argue about the affects of his behavior but the behavior itself is pretty poor.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449033)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:05 AM
Author: Razzle-dazzle gaping

That is sorta my point. If you are politicalmo, you take this stuff pretty seriously. You are aghast at certain behavior, etc. But if you see that a lot of politics is just a show-- a scam lifelong political science dweebs who become politicians pull off on the public-- then you can take the presentation stuff with a grain of salt. I think it offends people that Trump never ran for political office until president and, whoops, fucking won. TDS is a lot of monocle popping by people who can't accept that modern politics is pretty much a joke and that are real leaders are Goldman Sachs, Google, Amazon, etc.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449070)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:10 AM
Author: lascivious zombie-like rehab voyeur



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:26 AM
Author: Glittery aquamarine genital piercing



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:28 AM
Author: beady-eyed lavender base

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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:29 AM
Author: filthy locale queen of the night



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:29 AM
Author: talented lilac mental disorder



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:43 AM
Author: arousing lettuce institution

I mostly agree but I do think the presidency is still vested with a good bit of power, even if that is diminished by mega-corps. I think his behavior (blatantly lying, the constant twitter trolling etc...) is offensive in itself but also casts doubt on his ability to carry out the actual responsibilities that he has and his competence to wield the actual power that the office still carries. I guess i agree in the end, though, that the full on Trump derangement that I see, though, is usually just a reaction to his trolling.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449349)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:14 PM
Author: Outnumbered emerald potus

The poster you're responding to is presenting the typical xo cynical dweeb hot take. Policy does have a big impact on people's day to day lives. The cynical trolling and offensive behavior make even popular reforms more difficult to enact.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449930)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:28 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle gaping

why should the tweets and "offensive" behavior (by who's standards) make it more difficult? Probably because of DC nerds like you who majored in polisci or journalism. Let's say Trump and Obama have a similar political point of action-- Obama gets it passed because he is more "acceptable" to DC movers than Trump. Why is that a good thing?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450023)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:48 PM
Author: beady-eyed lavender base

They are also "willfully obtuse" about the fact that Obama was also a liar, a social media troll, and openly showed his disdain for a good portion of Americans (collectivizing them as "Fox News viewers" or "bible readers").

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450132)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:58 PM
Author: arousing lettuce institution

All politicians are liars... Trump is on another level. And you really want to compare the way Obama carried himself in office and spoke about his critics to Trump? Even for xo, this is pretty silly.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450205)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:10 PM
Author: Hairraiser yellow business firm incel

Who cares

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450257)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:17 PM
Author: Outnumbered emerald potus

Yeah man, by like who's standards!? lol. That's some too-cool-for-high-school bs right there. If you can't see how the right has blocked comprehensive new-deal legislation over the past decade despite broad consensus on these issues, then I must bid you adieu!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450306)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:21 PM
Author: Hairraiser yellow business firm incel

The left called Bush Hitler too. Is Trump that unusual?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450341)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:25 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle gaping

I've never seen you so riled up-- bid me adieu? Indeed, sir!

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450364)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:24 PM
Author: buff internet-worthy market

Pwned

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450359)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:26 PM
Author: Razzle-dazzle gaping

I thought we were friends Spaceporn? Damn

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450377)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:46 PM
Author: hateful passionate factory reset button theatre

You're asspained because you're the exact type of civility-above-substance polsci shithead the post was criticizing

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451761)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:52 AM
Author: walnut doctorate



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449411)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:53 AM
Author: walnut doctorate

the ministerial gravitas of the office is an increasingly important requirement for people without dads.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449416)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:45 PM
Author: soul-stirring ladyboy chapel



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450526)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:55 AM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449429)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:05 PM
Author: vermilion unhinged heaven faggot firefighter



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449493)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:27 PM
Author: amber abusive principal's office



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449609)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:32 PM
Author: Cheese-eating Nursing Home Mad-dog Skullcap



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449643)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:34 PM
Author: cordovan greedy senate

Cr. And the reason Obama was viewed so positively and achieved anything of importance was to the extent he went along with the powers that be. Deviate like the examples with Trump and we see the other end of things.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449654)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:08 AM
Author: beady-eyed lavender base

Yeah we already knew he was talking about you, dork

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449085)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:39 AM
Author: arousing lettuce institution

It was actually the fallout from that podcast that got him maf with all the wokeness.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448891)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:48 AM
Author: Glittery aquamarine genital piercing

atheist jew

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448969)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:35 PM
Author: fragrant citrine electric furnace

He’s short and somewhat unmasculine. Social research shows that lib men are shorter, weaker, and more effeminate that con men. My anecdotal experience is that a man beeds to be 2 of those 3 things to be lib.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450064)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 10:45 AM
Author: arousing lettuce institution

He talks pretty honestly about woke issues all the time. I’d think xo would really like him. He fucking hates Trump, so that might be an issue with some of the true believers here.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40448945)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:10 AM
Author: beady-eyed lavender base

Nobody is a true believer except you, unhinged geek. But keep slobbing GC's knob while lisping about Trump's lack of decorum. Fucking TDS freak.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449102)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:47 AM
Author: Sepia diverse corner

LOL, always projecting

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449375)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:50 AM
Author: curious dingle berry party of the first part

his confrontation with Ben Affleck on Bill Mahrer about radical islam is an all time classic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vln9D81eO60

Sam has little patience for shitlibs.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449400)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:27 PM
Author: Idiotic Clown

cr. He actually tries to follow the logic of woke libs with them so as to show that their arguments lead off a cliff, but to no effect of course. His podcast interview with Ezra Klein was one of the most exasperating things I've ever listened to.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449606)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:28 PM
Author: adulterous brunch

Ezra Klein fucked him up

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449610)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:30 PM
Author: Idiotic Clown

(Ezra)

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449627)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 12:50 PM
Author: curious dingle berry party of the first part



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449768)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:35 PM
Author: Histrionic snowy meetinghouse legend



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450066)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:41 PM
Author: Stirring Whorehouse Water Buffalo



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450090)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:09 PM
Author: Self-centered ape library



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451511)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:08 PM
Author: Self-centered ape library

Cr. He's just a classical liberal whose political views were cemented in 1995-2008. I basically agree with him on everything, but he is hysterically histrionic.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451509)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:41 AM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

not really listentoable

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449331)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:49 AM
Author: Irradiated rough-skinned coldplay fan

gonna be wild when Sam Harris gets deplatformed by his domain name registrar

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449389)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 11:53 AM
Author: Violent range hominid

Sam was always based. His first book is about how Islam is a death cult that is incompatible with the West and includes stuff like a section about how Jews courted antisemitism by refusing to assimilate into European societies.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40449414)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:24 PM
Author: shaky fat ankles

waking up or lying?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450008)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:00 PM
Author: Violent range hominid

the end of faith

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450213)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:20 PM
Author: shaky fat ankles

rank his top 3 I should I read in order tyia

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451182)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:12 PM
Author: Self-centered ape library

End of Faith

Letter to Christian Nation

Everything else flows out of those two, including science based spirituality.

I remember Fox News used to book him because he'd say Islamism is a death cult, but then they stopped because he said, and Christianity's not much better, plus Christian's are dumber.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451535)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:47 PM
Author: Stirring Whorehouse Water Buffalo

cr, xo can't get behind him though because he doesn't LARP as some Christian lightbringer who is going to bring the good ol' times back.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450127)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:50 PM
Author: shaky fat ankles

he's 180 at time especially irt FREE WILL but he just is so unlikeable even for jew standards

his nasally kike voice and smug rat faced disposition do not work well with rational metaphysical atheistic views for gen pop, hitchens had the charisma to pull it off

but I find myself agreeing with him 80% of the time while hating him

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450150)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 1:55 PM
Author: Stirring Whorehouse Water Buffalo

i agree that he has almost no charisma, most philosophers don't, but his views on free will and social issues are absolutely CR and need to be embraced by mainstream figureheads in the US. it won't happen though because they are "nihilistic" which is always painted as a reprehensible evil rather than an entirely reasonable response to the world we have to exist in.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450184)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:15 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

what's your opinion of antifa and in what way do they come or deviate from a truly nihilist worldview?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450296)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:20 PM
Author: shaky fat ankles

These mainstream cucks have successfully pigeon holed empirical or at least highly probable evidence based theory on human behavior that almost 100% lines up with evolutionary bio/psych as 'nihilism' simply because it distorts their solipsistic 'magical thinking' view of the world that most women have 24/7

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451180)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:12 PM
Author: Provocative Bronze Stage Bbw

what is his stance on "free will"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450273)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:16 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

lmao

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450297)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:18 PM
Author: Provocative Bronze Stage Bbw

what is his stance on "free will"?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450317)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:21 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

his argument reduces to this:

1. Think of a president

2. The president you thought of just popped into your head

3. Free will doesn't exist

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450342)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:25 PM
Author: Provocative Bronze Stage Bbw

harris is a slave to foundationalism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450367)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:28 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

excellent observation

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450390)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:28 PM
Author: Provocative Bronze Stage Bbw

thanks, i'm the first one to say it

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450395)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:21 PM
Author: shaky fat ankles

semi cr but what is the alternative

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451190)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:22 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

pragmatism

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451198)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:27 PM
Author: Provocative Bronze Stage Bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451234)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:30 PM
Author: arousing lettuce institution

I've wondered what Harris' take on Rorty would be.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451251)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:31 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

He wouldn't understand it. Peterson gave the pragmatist line in their conversation - although with not quite the right intention, because he admitted the possibility of correspondence - and Harris was hostile. Some people get it, some don't.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451258)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:36 PM
Author: arousing lettuce institution

I mean, he'd get it to some degree, right? It's not like Harris is a genius but he's certainly smart enough to grasp the concepts. And he must have encountered them before. It's not like Rorty or Sellars are exactly new to the scene.

I haven't heard the Peterson episode, though. I'll have to give it a listen.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451287)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:38 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

Maybe he should read James or something

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451297)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:20 PM
Author: Provocative Bronze Stage Bbw

what's ironic is that rorty points out that enlightenment ideals evolved from the same desire to ground beliefs in transcendence that religious thinking did, but harris is a celebrity atheist. he just doesn't have the cast of mind to believe that we can throw away the notion of truth and still function. he probably thinks that means letting a bunch of relativists and irrational fanatics back in the door, but that's not what pragmatism advocates

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451600)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:29 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

pragmatism without the explicit acknowledgement of god falls into liberalism imho

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451655)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:22 PM
Author: Provocative Bronze Stage Bbw

yeah peterson was doing pragmatist schtick without even knowing, which is hilarious because he's always banging on about post-modernists. he just clearly hasn't spent much time reading philosophy.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451617)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:27 PM
Author: shaky fat ankles

he's also a grade A beta cuck

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451643)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:29 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm

the reason it didnt work is because he didnt pull out God afair

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451659)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:18 PM
Author: Flatulent 180 home pisswyrm



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450321)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 2:07 PM
Author: Hairraiser yellow business firm incel

The left is going to have to have its own internal reckoning with this stuff. Just rioting and tearing country apart over false narratives forever isn't viable.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450247)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 3:15 PM
Author: Razzmatazz private investor

>> Just ask yourself, what would real progress on the problem of racism look like? What would utter progress look like?

Here’s what I think it would look like: More and more people (and ultimately all people) would care less and less (and ultimately not at all) about race. As I’ve said before in various places, skin color would become like hair color in its political and moral significance—which is to say that it would have none.

Now, maybe you don’t agree with that aspiration. Maybe you think that tribalism based on skin color can’t be outgrown or shouldn’t be outgrown. Well, if you think that, I’m afraid I don’t know what to say to you. It’s not that there’s nothing to say, it’s just there is so much we disagree about, morally and politically, that I don’t know where to begin. So that debate, if it can even be had, will have to be left for another time. <<

>> And, finally, if you’re on the Left and don’t agree with this vision of a post-racial future, please observe that the people who agree with you, the people who believe that there is no overcoming race, and that racial identity is indissoluble, and that skin color really matters and will always matter—these people are white supremacists and neo-Nazis and other total assholes. And these are also people I can’t figure out how to talk to, much less persuade. <<

So there should be no ethnic identity at all?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40450744)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 3:56 PM
Author: slimy purple cumskin

"And, finally, if you’re on the Left and don’t agree with this vision of a post-racial future, please observe that the people who agree with you, the people who believe that there is no overcoming race, and that racial identity is indissoluble, and that skin color really matters and will always matter—these people are white supremacists and neo-Nazis and other total assholes. "

well put and spot on.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451016)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:00 PM
Author: Razzmatazz private investor

the worst part of this is really the mushy GC middle and virtue-signalling Karens.

Farrakhan and David Duke would negotiate an agreement like overnight.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451059)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:28 PM
Author: bateful duck-like abode double fault

I don't know if he even believes that. We are a tribal species. Maybe racial identity can be mitigated - especially when everyone has the racial mix of Jessica Alba - but it isn't going away ever.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451237)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:34 PM
Author: slimy purple cumskin

name your tribe. i'm not kidding. name it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451274)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 7:20 PM
Author: bateful duck-like abode double fault

White

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40452359)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:52 PM
Author: Wonderful magenta ratface den

I don’t understand what you’re saying here. In 100 years I agree most people will have a very mixed ancestry. At that point racial politics is dead. It only works when you have critical mass of people from defined ethnic backgrounds so that groups can claim to be victimized by one another. Once the lines are blurry for most people this is all dead.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451418)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:11 PM
Author: unholy glassy therapy public bath

LOL! so US turning into Brasil is NBD for you?

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451529)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:35 PM
Author: Wonderful magenta ratface den

What? I’m not saying it’s a big deal or not a big deal I’m saying it’s an inevitable fact

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451695)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:18 PM
Author: Hairraiser yellow business firm incel

Not enough people mix with blacks for that.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451576)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 7:23 PM
Author: bateful duck-like abode double fault

When the vast majority of the country has a highly mixed background than racial identify will be less of a big deal. We will find some other tribal identity to latch on to. But as long as there are distinct races, racial identity isn’t going away.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40452375)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 4:37 PM
Author: Jade Station

"So there should be no ethnic identity at all?"

That is what he is saying. 100 years ago, everyone came over and they were Italian or Irish or German and spoke those languages. Then they were Italian American and it was a big part of who they were, and they conversed in Italian and cooked Italian food. Then your kids are like "I think we are mostly Italian" but then take a DNA test and they realize they are actually English.

That's what Harris is getting at. That race should eventually go from "You don't understand me because you're not black" and "Are there enough black people in this room", and race is the subject of 70% of all controversies, to something that people just don't think about anymore.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451294)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:04 PM
Author: multi-colored insanely creepy gas station yarmulke

that's stunningly naive, and he can't actually believe this is possible. the fact that the OPPOSITE has been happening should be enough evidence to settle the question.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451490)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:16 PM
Author: Self-centered ape library

He's not saying we're anywhere near it He's asking, carte blanche, how OUGHT race be treated in an ideal society.

"What would UTTER progress look like?"

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451557)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:20 PM
Author: Jade Station

"the fact that the OPPOSITE has been happening should be enough evidence to settle the question."

That's his point. For decades race was becoming less important. Then the universities became hyperfocused on it, and things have gotten worse.

Things were better for black people when it was called The Cosby Show and The Fresh Prince vs Blackish and Mixedish and Black Lady Sketch Show.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451598)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:24 PM
Author: Idiotic Clown

the U.S. was actually moving in a direction where race was less and less important. then suddenly around 2012 you have an explosion in chatter about it, and it's now considered progressive to be hyper-obsessed with it.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451624)



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Date: June 22nd, 2020 12:23 PM
Author: cordovan greedy senate

Thats how multipolar systems work. Look at geopolitics and points in history where we had multiple power points eg leading up to Ww1. It gets very unstable. You're seeing the same thing play out with politics in the US (which is largely race based). It will only get worse as power is more diffuse.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40472778)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:14 PM
Author: Self-centered ape library

Yeah, that's his point. Perhaps you can keep cultural identity, but in an ideal world you would treat everyone the same regardless of race.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451550)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:21 PM
Author: Jade Station

I believe there was a famous anti-woke conservative who said people should be judged by the content of their character not the color of their skin...

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451606)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:29 PM
Author: Self-centered ape library

Sounds familiar...

I've tried to make this argument and get shouted down because of SYSTEMIC.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451652)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:58 PM
Author: slimy purple cumskin

and this applies to people who run to "systemic":

And, finally, if you’re on the Left and don’t agree with this vision of a post-racial future, please observe that the people who agree with you, the people who believe that there is no overcoming race, and that racial identity is indissoluble, and that skin color really matters and will always matter—these people are white supremacists and neo-Nazis and other total assholes.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451858)



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Date: June 19th, 2020 5:31 PM
Author: Hairraiser yellow business firm incel

Saying this could get you fired today.

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40451668)



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Date: June 21st, 2020 2:04 AM
Author: fear-inspiring contagious gunner

Just listened to this. Was 180

(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40464727)



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Date: June 21st, 2020 10:24 AM
Author: Spectacular well-lubricated temple



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40465833)



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Date: June 22nd, 2020 11:43 AM
Author: Provocative Bronze Stage Bbw



(http://www.autoadmit.com/thread.php?thread_id=4564450&forum_id=2#40472450)